What was Jesus saying when He said "you must be born again"

[rhern53]

the kingdom is seen when you are changed then you are part of the kingdom. you start having a eternal perspective instead of a wordy one, they are usually at opposites. IMO

please include entire context and respond to it:

Nicodemus " how can I enter my mother's womb and be born again" ......Jesus did not deny Nic's understanding. so Nic's understanding is valid.

Then Jesus said " must be born again to see the Kingdom.".......

Do you see the Kingom when you look out the window?... reference what Ni. said about a literal birth.

 

[VisionSeeker]

Jesus said to Nicodemus:
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

GODS word clearly says. To be born again. We must come to JESUS an ask for true forgiveness of our son's an for JESUS to come in our hearts. To live for JESUS thru his Holy Grace. How awesome it is to know we have a mighty SAVIOR that died on the cross an rose 3 days later. Think about all the pain (we will never understand the pain JESUS went thru for us). An recudule he went through.. WoW. I truly thank my sweet JESUS for saving this soul. What a wonderful an amazing blessing it is when we humbly bow to JESUS asking him to forgive us then accepting him as our personal SAVIOR..now truth is, it's not easy living as a Christian but we have a Father that gave his all for us an us worthy to be praised an bowed down to each day. To know the Holy Spirit is in us is so awesome.. Let us pray for the lost souls an pray for one another to draw closer to JESUS an walk in his will an way. May the peace of JESUS. Be with each of you. Ask JESUS what we can do for him this Sabbath day an every day he gives us.. sending love and hugs to you and your precious family

 

[Dave M]

please include entire context and respond to it:

Nicodemus " how can I enter my mother's womb and be born again" ......Jesus did not deny Nic's understanding. so Nic's understanding is valid.

Then Jesus said " must be born again to see the Kingdom.".......

Do you see the Kingom when you look out the window?... reference what Ni. said about a literal birth.

the kingdom of God is with in a born again believer IMO

John 18:36 ESV / 263 helpful votes
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”

 

[rhern53]

the kingdom of God is with in a born again believer IMO

John 18:36 ESV / 263 helpful votes
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”

The Bible verse is correct.

The Kingdom begins when the Christ returns.. The 2nd Coming.

Everyone will see the Kingdom from that point on.

Jesus told His disciples "you will rule over the 12 tribes of Israel"

Matthew 19:
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Luke 22:
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Please, are we there yet do we see it?

 

[Samson2020]

The KINGDOM REIGN begins at the second coming. And indeed those who are still human and are not of the elect will see that kingdom. They will also be witnesses of what GOD has done to and for the ELECT for they will have been changed into their incorruptible forms and stand as KINGS over the Earth.

But as the Bible tells us that a man will be as rare as fine gold at that time, it doesn't sound like there will be much to reign over people wise. So i'd say the main job will be to restore the Earth and give it peace for 1000 years. Set it free from the vanity that causes man to exploit what is in it and in doing so destroy it.

 

[Curtis]

Please, are we there yet do we see it?

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

 

[rhern53]

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

please respond to my whole context, not just one statement. This way we will all have a better understanding.

 

[Sue D.]

As born-again believers -- people Should be able to Christ in us -- the kingdom of God -- the Kingdom Reign would be the 1,000 yr reign of Christ here on earth.

Isn't the 'kingdom of God' the same thing as the Church? The 'Church' being the universal body of believers AND the local church body. Because the local body of believers Is part of the Church.

 

[rhern53]

As born-again believers -- people Should be able to Christ in us -- the kingdom of God -- the Kingdom Reign would be the 1,000 yr reign of Christ here on earth.

Isn't the 'kingdom of God' the same thing as the Church? The 'Church' being the universal body of believers AND the local church body. Because the local body of believers Is part of the Church.

No Madam,
John the Baptist said" repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand". He was inspired to say this because Jesus was near.

Jesus according to Old Testament is the promised King of the Kingdom Of God, The Messiah, Jesus.

The believing Jew thought Jesus was returning quickly after His resurrection.

That is why they sell everything they had. As they continued to accumulate in Jerusalem. they were so many, the only way to feed them was to sell all to feed those who didn't have.

What is the need for things if the Messiah was coming, The Kingdom. so sell everything

Jesus called regeneration

Matthew 19

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Martha call it the resurrection

John 11:

23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

This was the promise from the Old Testament.


But Paul became the Apostle of the circumcision, the Christians, mostly gentile.

Our promise , (Christians that is) is to become members of the Body of Christ, Jesus is the head of this body.

We are completely cleansed by the blood of the Lamb.

by believing Jesus suffer and Died for me cleanses me of all unrighteousness. we are then acceptable to God. to be children of God.

if you are completely cleansed, for which sin can you be Judged. the cleansing is continuous by Faith in the Lord.

 

[Sue D.]

John the Baptist was the forerunner of Jesus -- he baptized Jesus at the start of His earthly ministry.

The Jewish population has Not accepted the birth of Jesus Christ as their promised Messiah. His 1st coming for Them, will be His 2nd coming in reality.

Yes, the blood shed by Jesus Christ Does wash away our sinfulness -- but it has to be personally accepted in order to do an individual any good.

Upon our salvation, we Do become part of the Body of Christ.

that Jesus Christ Also rose again bodily is of most importance for our salvation.

 

[PloughBoy]

Sue, was not the 12 Apostles Jews, And on the day of Pentecost celebration was a celebration for the Jews people. Did not the gospel of Jesus Christ proclamation was 1st deliver by Jewish people?

 

[B-A-C]

Sue, was not the 12 Apostles Jews, And on the day of Pentecost celebration was a celebration for the Jews people. Did not the gospel of Jesus Christ proclamation was 1st deliver by Jewish people?

Some yes, (a few). But the majority of Israel has rejected Jesus so far.

Rom 11:25; For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
Rom 11:26; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
Rom 11:27; "THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
Rom 11:28; From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;
Rom 11:29; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
Rom 11:30; For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience,

Rom 11:7; What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;
Rom 11:8; just as it is written, "GOD GAVE THEM A SPIRIT OF STUPOR, EYES TO SEE NOT AND EARS TO HEAR NOT, DOWN TO THIS VERY DAY."

Rom 11:11; I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.

 

[PloughBoy]

I meant who was the 1st group of people delivering the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the world. Was it not the Jewish people?

 

[Samson2020]

A few Jews yes, not too sure after say the first year. Even Paul was in the desert many years before his ministry.

That brings up the age old question of why was God never in a hurry for salvation. He waited 4000 years to bring in Jesus then the new covenant began.
You suppose it was because he knew he had everybody covered from beginning to end in that if Jesus took away the sin of the world(or paid the price for all sin) then who could be held accountable for the sin that had been committed? Not to say sinning is ok because we avoid it like the plague but this is after salvation has come unto us.

 

[Sue D.]

For whatever reason God had -- He chose the Jewish people for Jesus Christ to be born into. The New Testament -- the Jews 1st and then to the Gentile world.

This world is God's creation -- not ours. It's His timing, not ours. He is omniscient -- knows all things. Everyone has Always been accountable for their own sins / the sins of their family by the yearly blood sacrifices the prophets in Old Testament shared the promise of a future Messiah -- they looked forward To the cross / Jesus Christ coming and either accepted That or rejected it. And those living in that very time in history either accepted the cross or rejected it -- and now 'we' either accept what Did happen or reject it.

Hebrews 1:1-3

 

[David1954]

He was saying that everyone is born of water, because they were submerged in the amniotic fluid, and they must must be submerged in the Holy Spirit, secondly.

 

[David1954]

The doctrine of baptisms. (Hebrews)

 

[Sue D.]

Baptism by immersion? or when the Holy Spirit comes to indwell a person at the moment Of their salvation?

 

[Wnl]

Hi All, going back to the original thread, you must be born again.

You must go back to Eden where the spiritual trees were separate.

Good and evil could never mix with the tree of life, you cannot
take from both. They were separate then as to today.
So to take from the tree of life (Jesus) you must be born again and
Go from good and evil, to righteousness and truth because of love.

Jesus would never accept the word good from Nickodemus, simply
because He wasn't good and evil. Jesus replied only God is Good.

Please don't reply with the envisage on Jesus being good,
I don't want to go there, as it's a big subject and another thread.

With Love, Wnl.

 

[Sue D.]

@Wnl -- so you're suggesting that the Garden of Eden was only spiritual, not real. That the 'spiritual ' trees were separate. Of Course they were. Adam and Eve were told to NOT eat that fruit. They disobeyed God and ate that fruit Anyway.

We are told that the wages of sin / penalty For it is physical death -- so , of course it's not compatable with the tree of life.

You're talking about two different things.

Jesus Christ was telling Nicodemus that he, Nicodemus, had to be born physically first and Then be born again spiritually in order to have eternal life.

Jesus Christ was both good And Holy. God is holy and righteous.