God's gift of Tongues Are Not for Private Use

[Waggles]

that Jesus is the only way to come to God the Father by in worship; not by way of the Holy Ghost.

It never ceases to amaze me how non-Pentecostals claim to know what Pentecostal discipleship is !!
Your ignorance is posted over and over again for all to see.
Ephesians 2:18 because through him we both have the access in one Spirit unto the Father.
19 So then ye are no more strangers and sojourners, but are fellow-citizens with the saints, and of God’s household,
20 being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being chief corner stone;

John 4:23 But an hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth: for even such the Father seeketh as his worshippers.


John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he be with you for ever,
17 the Spirit of the truth: whom the world cannot receive; because it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth: YE know him; for he abideth with you, and is in you.
18 I will not leave you orphans: I come unto you.

 

[Waggles]

No. Hardly jealous at all if all I have to do is follow after you.

A silly answer ...
but I take it you want Pentecostals to abandon their churches filled with the power of God and enjoying numerous miracles, healings, blessings, and other spiritual gifts:
and go where???
To your church that has none of this - a worldly church devoid of the Holy Spirit.
No thankyou.

 

[GodB4Us]

It never ceases to amaze me how non-Pentecostals claim to know what Pentecostal discipleship is !!
Your ignorance is posted over and over again for all to see.

@PloughBoy & @Garee & @Mayflower & @GRACE ambassador & @Chad & @Christ4Ever & @Rhema & @Curtis & @Bob Carabbio & @joestue & @Andrew Qvist @Godsbride7 @Christiantoo

Ephesians 2:18 because through him we both have the access in one Spirit unto the Father.
19 So then ye are no more strangers and sojourners, but are fellow-citizens with the saints, and of God’s household,
20 being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being chief corner stone;

Referring to our seal of adoption by how we can call God Father does not negate what Jesus said about how we are to approach God the Father for anything, especially worship in John 14:6'

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Now you are confronted by His words to discern if He really meant that or not.

Then you have this coming judgment over every believer & the important thing here is the latter part of verse 2 which leaves no wiggle room for honoring the Holy Spirit.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

So did Jesus really meant that also or what?

John 4:23 But an hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth: for even such the Father seeketh as his worshippers.

Jesus was answering the Samaritan woman's question about where to worship God the Father at, and Jesus said because of Him being sent, that true worshippers will be able to worship God the father from any where in the world as He will no longer be confined to a specific place of worship.

So now you are left wondering how. right? By coming to God the Father by the only way provided and that is by the only way of the Son by only honoring the Son in worship is how we can honor the Father by in worship.

John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he be with you for ever,
17 the Spirit of the truth: whom the world cannot receive; because it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth: YE know him; for he abideth with you, and is in you.
18 I will not leave you orphans: I come unto you.

The Holy Ghost being in is and not outside of us to worship is key since He has been sent to dwell in us to lead us to testify of the Son thru us to glorify the Son, that has to include how worship the Father by worshiping the Son.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

So how can the Holy Spirit lead us in any other way in worship?

Even Paul was stressing this obedience to have this mind of Christ in worship for during his absence.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Who is that God that works in them that the Holy Spirit would defer all credit & glory to the Son?

Philippians 1: 6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: .... 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

If any doubt, look at Who the author & finisher of our faith is that will help us lay aside every weight & sin daily as we live this reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ..

Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 

[GodB4Us]

A silly answer ...
but I take it you want Pentecostals to abandon their churches filled with the power of God and enjoying numerous miracles, healings, blessings, and other spiritual gifts:
and go where???
To your church that has none of this - a worldly church devoid of the Holy Spirit.
No thankyou.

@PloughBoy & @Garee & @Mayflower & @GRACE ambassador & @Chad & @Christ4Ever & @Rhema & @Curtis & @Bob Carabbio & @joestue & @Andrew Qvist @Godsbride7 @Christiantoo

A church, a body of believers, devoid of the Holy Spirit? That can never happen.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

2 Corinthians 13: 5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

This is why there is no need for the "holy Spirit" to visit any assembly with signs and wonders. That is why we are not to believe every spirit but test them because what comes is the spirit of the antichrist since the real indwelling holy Ghost would be doing His job well in keeping the spotlight on the Son in worship, in fellowship, in prayer, and in outward ministry.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: ( 1 John 4:2 is the same thing as saying 2 Corinthians 13:5 that Jesus Christ "is come in the flesh" as being in us. )

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

So that spirit we are sensing outside of us or comes over us later in life is not the real holy Spirit when He has been dwelling within us since salvation & not to be received as the world does towards other spirits by seeing it by an outward sign.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

That is how believers are to test the spirits for why there is no second blessing or another baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues or else they depart from faith to give heed to seducing spirits & doctrines of devils as prophesied to happen in these latter days. That is why that tongue gained by that notable extra phenomenon as found in the world such as in the occult is not God's gift of tongues coming with interpretation because it is just gibberish nonsense.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Isaiah 8: 19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

25 Brethren, pray for us.

I am hoping & praying that God is peradventuring to recover some form this snare of the devil.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

So I hope He is leading all of you to trust Jesus Christ as your personal Good Shepherd to deliver you from this apostasy to return to your first love to rest in Him that you have always been Spirit-filled since salvation at the calling of the gospel, and shun that tongue for private use for it is far better to know what you had prayed for normally so you can give the Father thanks in Jesus's name for known answers to prayers.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

I hope all those who agree with me on this, are praying normally for others too, for we are in the latter days before the Bridegroom comes.

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, .....

 

[Samson2020]

1 Co 14:18 "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:"

1 Co 14:19 YET IN THE CHURCH, I had rather speak 5 words with my understanding.........................

This would signify that Paul was rather glad that he spoke in tongues (in private) even though he did not understand what he said, but would not do so within the congregation for it
would not be understood either.
Now if in private with no understanding why would he be glad that he was able to do so? Because praying in the spirit strengthens the spiritual son of God within you, thus edifying
the speaker so that the spirit would be more able to withstand the onslaught from the flesh as it warred against the spirit within him. Gal 5:17

1 Co 14:14 For if I PRAY in an unknown tongue, MY SPIRIT PRAYETH, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1 Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit(his own), and I will pray with the understanding also...................... But as mentioned above he will pray with the spirit (his own)
in private.

Seems to me that Paul spoke/prayed/sang in tongues as a private issue and even thanked God that he did.

As I have said a few times already it is the NEWLY FORMED spiritual creature that has been quickened to life by the infilling of the Holy Ghost that does the speaking.
Not the Holy Ghost.

 

[Waggles]

A church, a body of believers, devoid of the Holy Spirit? That can never happen.

You are a source of constant nonsense and false claims.

 

[GodB4Us]

1 Co 14:18 "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:"

1 Co 14:19 YET IN THE CHURCH, I had rather speak 5 words with my understanding.........................

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his would signify that Paul was rather glad that he spoke in tongues (in private) even though he did not understand what he said, but would not do so within the congregation for it
would not be understood either.

That is an assumption on your part for using the word "yet" as inferring.

2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

That means for writing this to that church about coming to them for the third time, 2 or 3 witnesses in that assembly would confirm that testimony.

So for Paul to say "I speak with tongues more than you all" is testifying that he did this in the assembly or else how can he make that boastful claim? So Paul was not inferring he used tongues for private use.

Now if in private with no understanding why would he be glad that he was able to do so? Because praying in the spirit strengthens the spiritual son of God within you, thus edifying
the speaker so that the spirit would be more able to withstand the onslaught from the flesh as it warred against the spirit within him. Gal 5:17

1 Co 14:14 For if I PRAY in an unknown tongue,

MY SPIRIT PRAYETH, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1 Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit(his own), and I will pray with the understanding also...................... But as mentioned above he will pray with the spirit (his own)
in private.

Seems to me that Paul spoke/prayed/sang in tongues as a private issue and even thanked God that he did.

As I have said a few times already it is the NEWLY FORMED spiritual creature that has been quickened to life by the infilling of the Holy Ghost that does the speaking.
Not the Holy Ghost.

Again, in context, starting from verse 12 as to Paul's point here;

1 Corinthians 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. ( Apply that verse to verse 14 to see the meaning of Paul words here that he is praying while the Holy Spirit is manifesting tongues through Paul that someone else will interpret that tongues so Paul can benefit from that tongue when he finally understands it once interpreted by someone else.

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. ( This is Paul praying, not the Holy Spirit praying, while the Holy Spirit is speaking through Paul in the assembly. )

15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

So tongues are not for private use when Paul would speak in tongues with the understanding once someone else has interpreted that tongue..

 

[GodB4Us]

You are a source of constant nonsense and false claims.

Scripture was provided to refute that claim, brother.

A church, a body of believers, devoid of the Holy Spirit? That can never happen.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Every believer's body is the temple of the Holy Spirit now. So why would the Holy Spirit be felt outside of us in the worship place where spirits of the antichrist dwells at? That would take away our ability to test the spirits then 1 John 4:1-4 as well as the tongues they bring ( 1 John 4:5-6 ), especially when found in the occult as confirmed by scripture in Isaiah 8:19

 

[Samson2020]

That is an assumption on your part for using the word "yet" as inferring.

I didn't have to infer anything as thats just exactly what he said. I think you missed the colon after the word ALL in 18, thus the explanation of 18's statement in 19.

Using the second letter of Corinthians, especially the last chapter, to justify your position means to me that you have no argument as it is just a deflective tactic.

Honestly I believe you are in doubt of your own salvation. And have come here for answers as to why you do not speak in tongues. I would suggest to anyone who has been reading
this back and forth to do this:

1) Find a quiet place to be alone.
2) Sit down
3) Open your mouth
4) Do not think as the carnal mind wants you to never be silent
5) Whatever comes out of your mouth (words) whether understood or not, let it keep going.

Some already have this gift they just don't know it as they have been indoctrinated to avoid all things of this nature.
You are not asking for anything. Only trying to allow the new born spirit within you the use of your vocal cords.

 

[Samson2020]

2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

That means for writing this to that church about coming to them for the third time, 2 or 3 witnesses in that assembly would confirm that testimony.

So for Paul to say "I speak with tongues more than you all" is testifying that he did this in the assembly or else how can he make that boastful claim? So Paul was not inferring he used tongues for private use.

That was an admonishment to abstain from sin, Had nothing to do with speaking in the spirit. You should read before posting as it makes you look silly.

 

[Waggles]

A church, a body of believers, devoid of the Holy Spirit? That can never happen.

Which planet do you live on??

 

[Curtis]

A church, a body of believers, devoid of the Holy Spirit? That can never happen.

Yes, it can, and it did!

Rev 3:1 “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: ‘The words of him who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. “‘I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead.

 

[GodB4Us]

I didn't have to infer anything as thats just exactly what he said. I think you missed the colon after the word ALL in 18, thus the explanation of 18's statement in 19.

Using the second letter of Corinthians, especially the last chapter, to justify your position means to me that you have no argument as it is just a deflective tactic.

Honestly I believe you are in doubt of your own salvation. And have come here for answers as to why you do not speak in tongues. I would suggest to anyone who has been reading
this back and forth to do this:

1) Find a quiet place to be alone.
2) Sit down
3) Open your mouth
4) Do not think as the carnal mind wants you to never be silent
5) Whatever comes out of your mouth (words) whether understood or not, let it keep going.

Some already have this gift they just don't know it as they have been indoctrinated to avoid all things of this nature.
You are not asking for anything. Only trying to allow the new born spirit within you the use of your vocal cords.

I do not find any such instructions in scripture for how to speak in tongues but it is similar to new age methodology; just meditate, make your mind blank, etc. One church I had visited did the same thing; the preacher was endorsing the holy laughter movement and said "no man can make the Holy Spirit move, but man must move out of the way and the Holy Spirit will move in." That wasn't the Holy Spirit either.

John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Now discern with him on this issue of faith; how can the one world church come about for this son of perdition to rule from? It would have to be ecumenical in nature uniting all. If you bother to check, pagan supernatural tongues which is gibberish nonsense has been existing long before Pentecost had come with God's gift of tongues which is a language of men to speak unto the people for why it will come with interpretation in the assembly & NEVER for private use.

If you researched and see, this pagan supernatural tongue of gibberish nonsense has been present in idolatries, the occult, religions, & Khundalini, an eastern mysticism. I believe that phenomenon of tongues & holy laughter & sensations of power, love, electricity, fire, joy, and other seductions used by these spirits is what will unite the world of sinners into that one world church where the beast will be worshipped by.

But again, the real indwelling Holy Ghost would never draw attention to Himself like that but still pointing believers to keep coming to the Son, the Bridegroom, in coming to God the Father by. There is no other way; John 14:6 & John 1o:1

 

[GodB4Us]

That was an admonishment to abstain from sin, Had nothing to do with speaking in the spirit. You should read before posting as it makes you look silly.

I am referring to the requirement for a testimony to be true per John 8:17 needing tow witnesses. I cited that one reference where what Paul was testifying about, he knew 2 or 3 witnesses in the church would confirm his testimony as true.

For Paul to speak in tongues more than them all proves he was not referring to tongues for private use, but you seem to read that into his words. How cab Paul boast of peaking more than them all unless he was speaking in tongues in the assembly for them to know that and since this was being done in the assembly, it was being interpreted in the assembly because it is not for private use.

There is no way you guys can wrest Paul's words to say he was speaking about tongues for private use when thru out that chapter, he was comparing tongues against prophesy for why prophesy is better because tongues is not a stand lone gift for it needs interpretation if it is to be fruitful to the tongue speaker.

But a miracle from the Lord will have to happen for you to see that truth in His words.

 

[GodB4Us]

Which planet do you live on??

When the church is the body of Christ, consisting of saved believers, and not a place of worship, we have this truth that the church, the body of believers, can never be devoid of the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

 

[GodB4Us]

Yes, it can, and it did!

Rev 3:1 “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: ‘The words of him who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. “‘I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead.

Read that again because you are applying His words wrong. There are 7 churches and there are 7 Spirits.

Revelation 3:1And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

The church being dead is not testifying to them being devoid of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Samson2020]

For Paul to speak in tongues more than them all proves he was not referring to tongues for private use, but you seem to read that into his words

One time I will speak and then I'm done with you.


1 Co 14:18-19 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: YET IN THE CHURCH ............................

I THINK THAT THE POINT IS PROVEN WITH THESE VERSES IN PAULS OWN WORDS.

 

[Waggles]

When the church is the body of Christ, consisting of saved believers, and not a place of worship, we have this truth that the church, the body of believers, can never be devoid of the Holy Spirit.

Which is why the body of Christ, although all praying in tongues in their homes, can additionally when they come together for worship also operate the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit decently and in order
as commanded to in 1Corinthians 12 and 14.

 

[vhusley]

When believers defend tongues for private use, they are ignoring Paul's teaching on gifts are not for private use & more importantly, none of those gifts are gained by having another drink of the One Spirit that we are all supposed to share in that same testimony as baptized into one body by.

1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal:

11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many.

19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

Then Paul began using hyperboles in explaining why love is better than anything else for why tongues are not of angels since he is not like sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal

1 Corinthians 13:1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Paul has certainly not sold everything and given to the poor and gave his body up for burning either les he has become a ghost writer. Hyperbole. Just as referring to tongues of angels is a hyperbole, an exaggerated sense of tongues which is not being done in reality.

Then those who speak in tongues try to claim that tongues are for private use by inserting their meaning in complete disregard for why Paul is exhorting the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts in verse 1 ad then explained why by comparing tongues against prophesy for why prophesy is the better gift to seek after in the whole message of that chapter because tongues is not a stand alone gift for it needs interpretation for the tongue speaker to truly benefit when he understood what that tongue is saying as manifested by the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. 5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Discern with Him now.

2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Paul cannot claim he speak more in tongues than them all unless he had witnesses to that truth therefore not for private use as this was done in the assembly as witnessed before all.

Paul is not saying the tongue speaker is speaking to God because he is in the assembly where no man understands him but God does, as the tongue speaker speaks in mysteries to those around him but God understands that tongue. That does not mean he is speaking TO God because there are no mysteries to God for why he is not speaking TO God. Paul is meaning God understands what us being said as manifested by the Holy Ghost. God's gift of tongues can be self edifying but only when interpreted for Paul to benefit from that tongue.

12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. 13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

Tongue speakers ignore verse 13 and point to verse 14 as if Paul is praying in tongues when he is really praying someone will interpret that tongue. everything Paul has said about tongues is being done in the assembly and not for private use. tongue speakers for private use are inserting their tongues in there when Paul is explaining why prophesy is better than tongues because it is not for private use.

17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified. 18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: 19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

The only way Paul can say that if tongues were done in the assembly where there are more than 3 witnesses to that truth. He cannot testify of tongues for private use when there are no witnesses.

20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

Verses 20-21 is Paul giving the bottom line on what God's gift of tongues are for, being of other men's lips to speak unto the people.

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

And yet believers are using tongues as a sign or proof of salvation or proof f Gd calling them into the ministries or as the early Catholic Church claimed, proof that they are keeping the doctrines within. I cannot find that latter info again, but it is so. I would not be surprise that believers that fornicate use tongues as a sign that everything is still okay between Him & them. Is everything okay between Him & the catholic Charismatic Church? I think not. Therefore tongues are not supposed to serve as a sign nor proof to the believers about anything but to the believers.

And yet they preach another baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues ( used to be heralded as "by that sign of tongues" ). Red flag. That is why that tongue is not coming with interpretation as it is a voice of stranger's they follow for climbing up another way John 10:1-5

Then getting back to Paul on tongues; I remind you abut verse 2 in how a tongue speaker speaks unto God but not to God but He understands what is being said as we read this below.

26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. 27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

How can Paul instruct someone to be silent IF that tongue was manifested by the Holy Ghost just because there was no interpretation? And yet at the end of the chapter he has written not to forbid speaking in tongues in the assembly but order and decency must be maintained?

Reread the 3 verses of 26-28. When you have 2 or 3 speak in tongues, one by one, and another interpret, when you have a practice like that in the assembly, a foreign visitor could very well stand up and speak out of turn. That is why he is to keep silence because he speaks to himself, meaning he understands what he is saying as God does too, not that he is a crazy person speaking to himself and to God.

There can be no speaking in tongues quietly to oneself when even whispering bothers people around them trying to listen to the sermon or in this case, when 2 or 3 speak in tongues for that one to interpret it.

Just another example of how tongue speakers for private use today try to insert that tongue for private use into scripture when that is not what Paul is saying. Indeed, they make Paul look like an idiot for exhorting prophesy over tongues as they are today hyping believers to seek another baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues and not prophesy when there is no other baptism with the Holy Ghost to seek after salvation.

That is why I do not believe God's gift of tongues were ever meant for private use.

Yes, the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for “private” or personal edification. However; you seem to be missing something; there’s more than just the “gift of tongues.”

There are actually four distinct kinds of tongues of which God’s Word speaks. Not all are for public use.

You've apparently read through the thread “Tongues Required for Regeneration” (which was completely derailed btw) because I saw you recently commented in it. I explained it (with scriptural references) several times in that thread.
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1 Co 14:18-19 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: YET IN THE CHURCH ............................

I THINK THAT THE POINT IS PROVEN WITH THESE VERSES IN PAULS OWN WORDS.

No, it does not. Paul is citing his preference to speak in the language everybody knows in church even if it by withy five words only than a thousand words in tongues which is a foreign language needing interpretation in the assembly.

1 Corinthians 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: 19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

Then Paul gave the bottom line about what God's gift of tongues are for next.

20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

And yet somehow or another, many tongue speakers today seem to ignore Paul's edification for correction when they sought a baptism with the Holy Ghost by a sign of tongues or with evidence of tongues as if tongues serves as a sign or proof to believers that they had received the Holy Ghost.

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

I believe it is because tongue speakers wants that extra notable phenomenon to be of God for why they do not care that tongue does not come with interpretation and thus assumed for private use when Paul never said it was for private use.