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A whole lot of Christian’s do not believe in “The Great White Throne Judgment, and many Do not know it Exists

Samson2020 said:
Both of you should use a little more restraint in that you cant see who your speaking to on the other end, and never know who is able to forgive the offense and who is not.
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As always @PloughBoy can't handle spiritual metaphor and must take all things literal.
He took the comment personal himself, when it was clear I was addressing everyone.
Him being offended is his issue, not mine.
 
Alley Oop said:
As always @PloughBoy can't handle spiritual metaphor and must take all things literal.
He took the comment personal himself, when it was clear I was addressing everyone.
Him being offended is his issue, not mine.
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And maybe the offense he took is reason for him to examine himself as to why he took offense. And yes I knew you were speaking of all the fear mongers, just bad choice of a word.
 
Samson2020 said:
How in the world can you say that to anyone??

Romans 5:8 "But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
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Simple: and it does not need to be “Interpreted”: by a mere mortal.

NASB 1977
Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our abode with him.”

John 14:21
Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him."

John 16:27
For the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came from God.

ASB 1977
“He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.

[The Holy Scriptures proclaims this through out the Whole Bible well written within its pages].

There is a difference between”GOD Centered” and “Man Centered” concerning The study of The “Biblical Text” of Holy Scripture.
 
I am going to repeat this again for the dull of ears, since I got y’all attention now.

The name of This Title’s Thread is:

“A whole lot of Christian’s do not believe in “The Great White Throne Judgment, and many Do not know it Exists”​


Now can I get a “Amen”?
 
PloughBoy said:
Simple: and it does not need to be “Interpreted”: by a mere mortal.

NASB 1977
Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our abode with him.”

John 14:21
Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him."

John 16:27
For the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came from God.

ASB 1977
“He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.

[The Holy Scriptures proclaims this through out the Whole Bible well written within its pages].

There is a difference between”GOD Centered” and “Man Centered” concerning The study of The “Biblical Text” of Holy Scripture.
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I cannot deny what you quoted but would like to add to it.

1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us, and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to
love one another.
So who loved who first? God loved us and led us to Jesus, or we loved Jesus therefore God loves us?
 
PloughBoy said:
I am going to repeat this again for the dull of ears, since I got y’all attention now.

The name of This Title’s Thread is:

“A whole lot of Christian’s do not believe in “The Great White Throne Judgment, and many Do not know it Exists”​


Now can I get a “Amen”?
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NO

As you refuse to plainly respond to any questions posed without resorting to your I speak Calvinese, and Theology proper, pre-written response when you don't want to respond
or can't.

I tried to open it up but you refuse.
 
Anyone who does not love...

This would naturally include Jesus. If he did not love us then he would not be following his own commands.

I mean how can you conclude that Jesus did not love mankind when God sends him to be the perfect example of what we should be like?

Insanity.

40 years of foolishness and you might conclude that Jesus didn't mean any of the words he said because he only spoke the words the Father spoke?

Oh Jerusalem how I would have gathered you as a hen gathers her chicks. But you would not!
 
Samson2020 said:
NO

As you refuse to plainly respond to any questions posed without resorting to your I speak Calvinese, and Theology proper, pre-written response when you don't want to respond
or can't.

I tried to open it up but you refuse.
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the great white throne exists now and there is no room left for ploughboy to escape being of first heaven and earth - lol
 
Well, let me say this, “GOD” is “GOD” and There is No other. No matter what we say and No matter what we may Think!

For we are nothing but a piece of Clay and We know, [not All,] but We know, who we are and what we,,do not know, is what we shall be, but when we [not all] see Him, WE will [ not all] but We, “Shall Look, Just Like HIM”…ff.

And that is good enough for me!
 
joestue said:
Anyone who does not love...

This would naturally include Jesus. If he did not love us then he would not be following his own commands.

I mean how can you conclude that Jesus did not love mankind when God sends him to be the perfect example of what we should be like?

Insanity.

40 years of foolishness and you might conclude that Jesus didn't mean any of the words he said because he only spoke the words the Father spoke?

Oh Jerusalem how I would have gathered you as a hen gathers her chicks. But you would not!
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Your quote:
“I mean how can you conclude that Jesus did not love mankind when God sends him to be the perfect example of what we should be like?”

Reply:
You got to be kidding, where you from? Or what book have you been reading?

I told everybody, something is wrong! The whole world has come off its “Axis”!
 
If in 40 years you have never experienced Jesus love for you, I can only conclude you have not been born again.

Does not both Paul and John uphold a transformation process by which we become conformed to the likeness of the son of Man?

Who is speaking in John 13:34? Jesus, or the Father?
 
Well then shall we dive in?

The great judgement:

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire, This is the second death.
What else is in the lake of fire?
1) The devil=satan
2) The beast=government
3) The false prophet=religion (false)
4) The grave=hell?

What of the above list do we see today? All of it? So then there is nothing new in the second death but a re mingling of what is seen on earth today?

Now it is appointed to man once to die and then the judgement. But if the judgement to all who are not born again is to die a second time then I would say that brings out weeping
and gnashing of teeth. So the dead who are not raised in the first resurrection are judged according to their works, in the general resurrection of the dead, as they are not born again.

We have 2 things to consider. First these are not born again so they never received the Holy Ghost. Fair assessment? Secondly, they are judged according to their works. But why?
If they do not have the Holy Ghost, thus not born again, and did not have a part in the first resurrection, what difference should works have as ALL are cast into the lake of fire?
No matter what the works were they are still cast into the lake of fire!!! For without the Spirit ye are none of His!!

What is the lake of fire??
For me it is a reconstruction of all that we presently live in, from which God perfected a few (The Remnant), the first fruits unto God and the Lamb. So can it be said that the second death
is a period of time where the second group or second fruits unto God and the Lamb are to be produced ? As the devil, beast, false prophet, death, grave are all there then fear,
unbelief, false worship, all manner of iniquity due to the devils presence, carnally minded man, basically the reinstitution of the mystery of iniquity. The beginning of week 2,
the first being 6000 yrs of man, then 1000 yrs of kingdom reign wherein God rests from His works??

Now if we allow for the fact that Jesus was a RANSOM FOR ALL to be testified in due time. And the fact that His one act of righteousness justified ALL men according to Romans 5:18
and that Grace will always overcome sin according to Romans 5:20-21 and bring in 1 Co 15:22-23 where we are told that IN CHRIST SHALL ALL BE MADE ALIVE, But EVERY
MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER....... And the fact that salvation is according to grace (undeserved, unmerited divine assistance), not works.

How do we reconcile the current concept of eternal torment in the lake of fire with the above verses that contradict an eternal punishment, but do in fact provide justification and eternal
life for ALL?

The lake of fire? Our God is a consuming Fire. Hebrews 12:29 And anywhere one is placed, God is there, for nothing exists outside of God.

The beasts spoken of in the Revelation arise out of the sea, obviously not literally coming out of the ocean, but arising out of the sea of humanity.

I want to include these last verses Isaiah 59:20-21 For thoughtful consideration.

And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD. (The first fruits)
As for Me, this is My covenant with them, saith the LORD; My Spirit that is upon thee, and My words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed (Us), nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and forever.

Redeemer=Jesus
His seed= Us
Our seed=?


Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone, but if it die it bringeth forth much fruit.

Matthew 13:8 "But other fell into good ground and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold."

We know that Jesus was the original corn of wheat, but who are these that He speaks of that must fall into the ground and die in order to bring forth fruit? They are His seed!!
And who are the hundredfold, sixtyfold, and thirtyfold that they bring forth?

Anybody seeing the picture?
 
Samson2020 said:
Well then shall we dive in?

The great judgement:

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire, This is the second death.
What else is in the lake of fire?
1) The devil=satan
2) The beast=government
3) The false prophet=religion (false)
4) The grave=hell?

What of the above list do we see today? All of it? So then there is nothing new in the second death but a re mingling of what is seen on earth today?

Now it is appointed to man once to die and then the judgement. But if the judgement to all who are not born again is to die a second time then I would say that brings out weeping
and gnashing of teeth. So the dead who are not raised in the first resurrection are judged according to their works, in the general resurrection of the dead, as they are not born again.

We have 2 things to consider. First these are not born again so they never received the Holy Ghost. Fair assessment? Secondly, they are judged according to their works. But why?
If they do not have the Holy Ghost, thus not born again, and did not have a part in the first resurrection, what difference should works have as ALL are cast into the lake of fire?
No matter what the works were they are still cast into the lake of fire!!! For without the Spirit ye are none of His!!

What is the lake of fire??
For me it is a reconstruction of all that we presently live in, from which God perfected a few (The Remnant), the first fruits unto God and the Lamb. So can it be said that the second death
is a period of time where the second group or second fruits unto God and the Lamb are to be produced ? As the devil, beast, false prophet, death, grave are all there then fear,
unbelief, false worship, all manner of iniquity due to the devils presence, carnally minded man, basically the reinstitution of the mystery of iniquity. The beginning of week 2,
the first being 6000 yrs of man, then 1000 yrs of kingdom reign wherein God rests from His works??

Now if we allow for the fact that Jesus was a RANSOM FOR ALL to be testified in due time. And the fact that His one act of righteousness justified ALL men according to Romans 5:18
and that Grace will always overcome sin according to Romans 5:20-21 and bring in 1 Co 15:22-23 where we are told that IN CHRIST SHALL ALL BE MADE ALIVE, But EVERY
MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER....... And the fact that salvation is according to grace (undeserved, unmerited divine assistance), not works.

How do we reconcile the current concept of eternal torment in the lake of fire with the above verses that contradict an eternal punishment, but do in fact provide justification and eternal
life for ALL?

The lake of fire? Our God is a consuming Fire. Hebrews 12:29 And anywhere one is placed, God is there, for nothing exists outside of God.

The beasts spoken of in the Revelation arise out of the sea, obviously not literally coming out of the ocean, but arising out of the sea of humanity.

I want to include these last verses Isaiah 59:20-21 For thoughtful consideration.

And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD. (The first fruits)
As for Me, this is My covenant with them, saith the LORD; My Spirit that is upon thee, and My words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed (Us), nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and forever.

Redeemer=Jesus
His seed= Us
Our seed=?


Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone, but if it die it bringeth forth much fruit.

Matthew 13:8 "But other fell into good ground and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold."

We know that Jesus was the original corn of wheat, but who are these that He speaks of that must fall into the ground and die in order to bring forth fruit? They are His seed!!
And who are the hundredfold, sixtyfold, and thirtyfold that they bring forth?

Anybody seeing the picture?
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so, are you going to die physically?
 
There is “The Bema Seat” and There is “The Great White Throne Judgment” and “The Wages of “Missing The Mark” is Death”. Now a finite mind is not in tune with a “infinite” GOD:eyes:

The word “Death” by a finite mind might not have The same meaning as a “Infinite GOD”. You are familiar that a finite mind cannot understand or comprehend “Eternal Death”. The “Temporary cannot comprehend. The Eternal”:eyes: So in essence, for the finite mind it has been described as a “Second Death” for the weak minded mind who cannot Except. “The TRUTH”

“It has been once appointed for man to die AND then The Judgment!

Everybody is going to be judge, BUT Blesseth is he Who will be in The 1st. Resurrection. :eyes:

So, I will be, on the 1st. Ship out! The “Old Folks”. Use to call it “The Old Ship of ZION”’! And you better get on Board!

The second boat:eyes:?

“Blesseth is he in The 1st. Resurrection.

And I got my “Ticket” and I will not be Late! When That “Horn Blow”:eyes: and to let you Know, I do be listening. You see “I’m “Old School” The Old Path!
The song writer said: “I do be Listening “ Then again I can hear “Jeremiah”:

New International Version
This is what the LORD says: “Stand at the crossroads and look; ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it, and you will find rest for your souls. But you said, ‘We will not walk in it”

When He call my name, even if I am Sleep, in my grave I am, getting up! I am getting up! Then I will meet you, at The Bema Seat or at “The Great White Throne Judgment”. And I ain’t going to be in “The Hot Seat”:eyes:

Now when you go to bed tonight, and when you pray, you think about what I said, and when you sleep and dream and when you wake up in the morning if you do wake up, you think about it again! :eyes:
And there is no second chance, now is The Day of Salvation! And when “Jesus” come back to earth The Next time he ain’t going to have Wavy hair or blue eyes:eyes:

Now think, and when you think, you better think with “The Mind of Christ” and it better not be a earthly thought!:eyes:

Because, earthy thoughts cannot Go there and Step Out into “The Eternal” for We have The Mind of Christ! For Greater is HE that is on me Than he that is in the world!

And I ain’t “ whistling Dixie“ but I am carrying the Mail!
 
Samson2020 said:
I cannot deny what you quoted but would like to add to it.

1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us, and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to
love one another.
So who loved who first? God loved us and led us to Jesus, or we loved Jesus therefore God loves us?
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Who is the “Us” in the Prescribe text of “Scripture” and who is our neighbor? And we know that the world hates us! Now if you can who is The us, that the world hates! And there will also will be a place it will be taught that each man shall not be my neighbor! Tell me, “What fellowship have “WE” with the unbelievers [nominals{ for “we” have “Nothing” in common. Absolutely nothing! But when “You” pray, do not pray like Them” and when You pray, you pray and You say: “Our FATHER”!

Now I can go all night! Why, because “Greater is HE …ff.”

PloughBoy
And I am, Plowing The Field. And The Harvest is near.
 
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