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You might need to rephrase and ask, "And just what is hell?"And what do they think they are choosing?
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Of course not, but now you know how I felt when you called me a Catholic.@Rhema It's been some time since we interacted. I'm NOT JW and nowhere near one.
Indeed, there was some word play, especially since you hadn't know Pneuma could mean flatulence. I have to amuse myself somehow when I run into posts that are not well written.You're playing off words.
I'd say an educated assumption, but it's still an assumption. (Ah, and I see the dictionary agrees with me. Note the word "assumption." Also "guess."Do you know what inference is?
One of the reasons why I don't like cops - they like to guess and make assumptions. I've found all but two to be bullies and not the sharpest tools in the shed. (Sorry, make that three - forgot about one.) Not that I have a lot of interaction with cops, but one did "un-arrest" me once (never having even arrested me). About a decade or so ago Camden NJ de-funded their entire police force. Then created a completely new one - different structure, different people, and most of the crime stopped (crime by cop, I mean). About three decades ago I made a written complaint about an officer to the chief of police where I had been living. He privately thanked me, because the cop had a lot of internal infractions, but the chief couldn't fire the B@*&^% without a complaint from the public.Police use it as one of many fundamental ways to solve cases; some so old that all involved are dead.
Nonsense. But I'll leave you to your guesses and assumptions. And given the touchy nature of the moderators, I'll decline to engage on this topic and step away from the third rail. But as I mentioned, all the Mariology of the Catholic Church is based on the same kind of inference as is the Trinity. You do realize that Trinity leads to Theotokos. Another word that cannot be found in scripture.God IS Trinitarian whether you believe it or not.
I glad you know your limitations. Now if you could just understand that I don't post about those things which I haven't figured out. But you seem to think that Nothing can be "figured out." Good luck with that.Funny how you, one person, like so many think you've "figured it out and are the expert".
I know I'm not and have never claimed to be.
Me? You do realize, I had posted to Garee when you (ahem) butted in? (Post #430) Playing hero? Or just having writer's block?Trying to write a book when you've strayed off topic.
Paul hadn't thought so about the genealogies. But yes, there is nothing written down about when Jesus had to take a crap. Have you ever thought about why the gospels have two different genealogies for Joseph, the husband of Theotokos?What was important was written down. What was NOT was NOT written down.
You didn't read the link did you. The "letter" is attributed to an unknown author in the Fourth century. It references "Scriptures," something that no Roman would care about. The Emperor hadn't even been seen in Rome for five years. (Etc. etc.)Who told you it was a forgery? Of course this world wants you to believe that ALL secular evidence is "forged" and "fake".
Well.... Excuuuusssseeee Meeeee (says a modern prophet of our times). Too bad for you, I guess. I'm a touch typist, and would rather I post something comprehensive and useful - it doesn't take me long at all. But if you can't be bothered to read and think, that's on you. (Go play some video games or something.) Or just ignore what I post.I do know when your name pops up here you almost always write novels in responses.
But that's not what you wrote, and your 10th grade English teacher failed you.The statement means NO person in all of history significant or otherwise has every word they ever spoke recorded.
Too bad Luke didn't write down the names of his rando witnesses. (I once had someone tell me that Luke was one of the twelve. People just don't take the time to think through things. They also don't read. It's a lazy species.)Roman documents would be far more reliable than some rando non-Christian who happened to witness his Crucifixion.
It's an informed opinion, and a well informed opinion at that. Maybe one should say that the Gospel of Thomas is true scripture and your dismissal of that in your subjective opinion. I gather you're not well studied in history. And don't try to bluff your position by saying you read that letter. It's about as authentic as the Shroud of Turin.You can dismiss "Pilates Letter to Cesear" all you want but that's your subjective opinion.
Jesus didn't say a dammn thing about Hell. The texts use the Greek word Hades.Back to the topic, Jesus spoke on Hell more than anyone.
I have answered and questioned why you think it is necessary to add to the book of law the Bible (sola scriptura) is something missing?What you "offered" did not answer the question. Rather typical of your posts if I may "offer."
We (Catholics and I) just disagree on what is to be done.
As usual, Garee, I have no idea what your word salad means, and I no longer wish to injure my brain by trying to interpret them.I have answered and questioned why you think it is necessary to add to the book of law the Bible (sola scriptura) is something missing?
As usual, Garee, I have no idea what your word salad means, and I no longer wish to injure my brain by trying to interpret them.
You have a nice day.
Neither did the two year old mean harm when he shot himself with a gun.Sorry, no harm meant.
So then are you saying sola scriptura is attempted murder?Neither did the two year old mean harm when he shot himself with a gun.
You have a good day,
Rhema
What type of squirrelly logic got you to that question is just beyond my ken.So then are you saying sola scriptura is attempted murder?
* Subject Heading:- Why Does God Send People To Hell?
* Subject Heading:- Why Does God Send People To Hell?
(Psa 88:11) Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction?
(Psa 88:12) Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?
Hello @Chad,
I find this subject heading offensive, because it is untrue.
Hell is the place of the dead, and there is no consciousness in death, all is silent (Psa.115:17). 'The breath of life' (i.e., 'the spirit') having returned to God Who gave it (Eccl. 12:7). The place of the dead varies, it could be the grave, or the depths of the sea, but it is where the dead are, prior to judgment. They will be raised to judgement, and the fires of end-time judgment await those who have been so judged, and found wanting. The second death, in which they will be consumed and destroyed, having no further hope of reprieve, because the fires are everlasting.
See reply#340 for proof texts:-
Psa. 6:5; 30:9; 31:17; 88:11-12; 115:17; 146:3-4.
Eccl. 9:5-6,10;
Isa. 38:17-19
In Christ Jesus
Chris
I find this subject heading offensive, because it is untrue.
Hell is the place of the dead, and there is no consciousness in death, all is silent (Psa.115:17). 'The breath of life' (i.e., 'the spirit') having returned to God Who gave it (Eccl. 12:7). The place of the dead varies, it could be the grave, or the depths of the sea, but it is where the dead are, prior to judgment. They will be raised to judgement, and the fires of end-time judgment await those who have been so judged, and found wanting. The second death, in which they will be consumed and destroyed, having no further hope of reprieve, because the fires are everlasting.
What type of squirrelly logic got you to that question is just beyond my ken.
But "sola scriptura" (your scripture) certainly does murder the Gospel Jesus taught.
(Be so kind as to not reply.... my head's spinning enough from the Christian cat murderer.)
I'm not the one who's confused Garee.You are confusing what you call "my scripture" with...
Why make it too heavy to carry?A shortage of granite?![]()
(Psa 88:11) Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction?
(Psa 88:12) Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?
Hello @Chad,
I find this subject heading offensive, because it is untrue.
Hell is the place of the dead, and there is no consciousness in death, all is silent (Psa.115:17). 'The breath of life' (i.e., 'the spirit') having returned to God Who gave it (Eccl. 12:7). The place of the dead varies, it could be the grave, or the depths of the sea, but it is where the dead are, prior to judgment. They will be raised to judgement, and the fires of end-time judgment await those who have been so judged, and found wanting. The second death, in which they will be consumed and destroyed, having no further hope of reprieve, because the fires are everlasting.
See reply#340 for proof texts:-
Psa. 6:5; 30:9; 31:17; 88:11-12; 115:17; 146:3-4.
Eccl. 9:5-6,10;
Isa. 38:17-19
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Hello again, @Chad,
The only time this can be said to be true, is in relation to the sentence of the second death, which takes place following judgement, which is carried out justly and righteously by Him Who knows the secrets of men's hearts (Romans 2:16).
Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
now risen and glorified
and sat at God's right hand.
Chris
[Ref:- reply#452: in relation to replies #450 & #451]You are reading into those cherry picked scriptures as you have been taught that annihilationism is true.
You are not correct. Annihilationism is not true.
Before we discuss your scriptures, please explain either of the below two points to me:
1. How can a Creator of all be 'good' Psalm 136:1 and 'righteous in all His ways' Psalm 145:17 if He does not give us true free will or,
2. How the term ''accept me or die'' is evidence of true free will.
You have to first answer the above, as a topic that is not up for debate is God's goodness and righteousness.
Hello again, @KingJ,1. How can a Creator of all be 'good' Psalm 136:1 and 'righteous in all His ways' Psalm 145:17 if He does not give us true free will or,
2. How the term ''accept me or die'' is evidence of true free will.
You have to first answer the above, as a topic that is not up for debate is God's goodness and righteousness.
They may be dead.. "asleep" as many verses say. Unconscious, whatever word you like... but they are still in hell. So then it's just semantics really.
But you are right, one day they will be resurrected, and some will go to the Lake of Fire.
I'm not the one who's confused Garee.
Why make it too heavy to carry?
. How the term ''accept me or die'' is evidence of true free will.
The second death being as it sounds - DEATH, absolutely and irretrievably, leading to complete destruction.