A clean house?

[B-A-C]

Matt 12:43 "Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it.
Matt 12:44 "Then it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came'; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order.
Matt 12:45 "Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation."

Luke 11:24 "When the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and not finding any, it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came.'
Luke 11:25 "And when it comes, it finds it swept and put in order.
Luke 11:26 "Then it goes and takes along seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first."

I have always heard that Christians can be oppressed by demons, but they cannot be possessed by demons.
How did this mans "house" get cleaned? Did he clean it himself? What are "waterless places"?
Matt 25:8 "The foolish said to the prudent, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
Matt 25:9 "But the prudent answered, 'No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.'
Matt 25:10 "And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut.
Matt 25:11 "Later the other virgins also came, saying, 'Lord, lord, open up for us.'
Matt 25:12 "But he answered, 'Truly I say to you, I do not know you.'

What does the oil here symbolize? How did they run out? Who are the "dealers" where you buy the oil?
How did they get oil in the first place, before they ran out? Why were those with oil allowed in, but those who raon out of oil
not allowed in?

 

[Dave M]

this is a good debate against OSAS IMO, never looked at it like that before

 

[Twistie]

Matt 12:43 "Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it.
Matt 12:44 "Then it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came'; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order.
Matt 12:45 "Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation."

Luke 11:24 "When the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and not finding any, it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came.'
Luke 11:25 "And when it comes, it finds it swept and put in order.
Luke 11:26 "Then it goes and takes along seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first."

I have always heard that Christians can be oppressed by demons, but they cannot be possessed by demons.
How did this mans "house" get cleaned? Did he clean it himself? What are "waterless places"?
Matt 25:8 "The foolish said to the prudent, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
Matt 25:9 "But the prudent answered, 'No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.'
Matt 25:10 "And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut.
Matt 25:11 "Later the other virgins also came, saying, 'Lord, lord, open up for us.'
Matt 25:12 "But he answered, 'Truly I say to you, I do not know you.'

What does the oil here symbolize? How did they run out? Who are the "dealers" where you buy the oil?
How did they get oil in the first place, before they ran out? Why were those with oil allowed in, but those who raon out of oil
not allowed in?

I believe the oil is the Word of God.. but even more so it's about the relationship one has with him . The dealers are I believe like the pastors preachers n those who cash in on the word yet claim to spread the word but don't follow the word n their followers..

That's the best way I can break down what I hear so to say..

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[B-A-C]

I believe the oil is the Word of God.. but even more so it's about the relationship one has with him . The dealers are I believe like the pastors preachers n those who cash in on the word yet claim to spread the word but don't follow the word n their followers..

OK. Can you "run out of" the word of God?
If the dealers are the "corrupt" Pastors, does it seem odd to you that Jesus would say go get oil from them?
Why not get it from the "good" pastors?

 

[Twistie]

OK. Can you "run out of" the word of God?
If the dealers are the "corrupt" Pastors, does it seem odd to you that Jesus would say go get oil from them?
Why not get it from the "good" pastors?

It's written people will soothe their itchy ears with what they desire n sadly many don't desire the Truth they desire comfort why would one go to man at all for the Word when He is right here with His people??
Unbelief perhaps ??

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[B-A-C]

Heb 10:24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds,
Heb 10:25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

why would one go to man at all for the Word when He is right here with His people??

This is how many false doctrines get started, I'm not saying this is you, but it is the case for many.

2Pet 1:20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,

Act 8:30 Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?"
Act 8:31 And he said, "Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?" And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

1Pet 5:1 Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed,
1Pet 5:2 shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness;

Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
Rom 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

Mormonism was started by someone who went off in the woods alone. Isolation is usually not a good way to determine doctrine.

 

[Twistie]

Heb 10:24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds,
Heb 10:25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.



This is how many false doctrines get started, I'm not saying this is you, but it is the case for many.

2Pet 1:20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,

Act 8:30 Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?"
Act 8:31 And he said, "Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?" And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

1Pet 5:1 Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed,
1Pet 5:2 shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness;

Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
Rom 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

Mormonism was started by someone who went off in the woods alone. Isolation is usually not a good way to determine doctrine.

It's not ones interpretation that's the problem we r to wait on the Lord to reveal.. sadly many won't or don't they will seek man for answers n that's how the false doctrines are started for Abba church is One body.. but all these temples around for people made many lazy they don't seek the Lord for answers but man..
Most just wanna be a leader n collect money for repeating words n many are willing to give money to the people repeating words..
Few serve like we r told to do.. as it is written the one who serves is the greatest n the Messiah served all His children.. His children r to follow His ways not man idk


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[Gothedral]

Few serve like we r told to do.. as it is written the one who serves is the greatest n the Messiah served all His children.. His children r to follow His ways not man idk
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Yeah, all that work done as recorded in the Old Testament was undone in far less than 400 years before God called on Saint John (The Forerunner) to do His will.

Every pastor turning into a modern Judas Iscariot clone gives the Devil victories by leading the lambs to the slaughter.

Seek spiritual discernment, a gift of the Holy Spirit of God. 1st John 4:1 for example.

 

[Twistie]

Yeah, all that work done as recorded in the Old Testament was undone in far less than 400 years before God called on Saint John (The Forerunner) to do His will.

Every pastor turning into a modern Judas Iscariot clone gives the Devil victories by leading the lambs to the slaughter.

Seek spiritual discernment, a gift of the Holy Spirit of God. 1st John 4:1 for example.

If one has no discernment they r surely doomed.. them preachers got some pretty powerful words many got many followers.. sad fact most of them preachers lead their congregation into sin just by following mans traditional ways
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[Gothedral]

Sad, ain't it? I've been "church-hopping" so much lately due to this, and I am nobody but a mere man who reads with hope. Three places had a babbling woman at the pulpit. In another building, the leader mentioned Moses once and preached political philosophy for an hour. One quoted Deepak Chopra, Eckhart Tolle, and idk whom else, rather than giving the people chapter & verse. One is apparently okay with other gods and waxed prose on the "coexist" bumper sticker. Sad.

The local Orthodoxy is not correct, either. Red West strayed from their traditional Latin Mass and added logos to the Logos, and Blue East stacks multiples of genuflecting push-ups every three steps before addressing chapter and verse, arguing with their international hierarchy... in my area, anyway

And I'm nobody, but I see this, considering my awful state, and it's just bad. [exasperated laugh]...

I just see the chasm between Christianity at large and everyone else and want my house clean so we can go to God's House in Heaven. A local community that shuns the worldly chaos would be phenomenal.

(Okay. Looks like I need prayers L0L. Me and everyone else in my situation

 

[Garee]

I have always heard that Christians can be oppressed by demons, but they cannot be possessed by demons.
How did this mans "house" get cleaned? Did he clean it himself? What are "waterless places"?

Oppress yes. Possess no.

I would think Christ alone can possess. . .I will never leave, never forsake.

You could say I believe Christ in us takes by violent a force of actions, defined "characterized by sudden, injurious, excessive physical force; in order to posses it by the "let there be" and it was "the good witness of power" called faith that Christ faithfully pours out on us born again faith.

Mathew below seems to give a ideal

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

I think that force can be seen in Exodus. The unbelieving Egyptians not subject to the prophecy of Moses 400 years in bondage ,

Christ by force though signs the temporal seen literally killed the first born make a pathway out of bondage. Teaching a person must be born again


Demons the Legion the "we are many"

Satan's the antichrist the one spirit of many lies . The one spirit that works in many. . a legion of antichrists. . .

Antichrist which is simply another teaching authority other than sola scriptura, False apostles bringing false prophecy (oral traditions of men )

Satan who hates sola scriptura is shown exercising his false gospel to deceive all the nations that God is a dying Jewish man as King of kings.

Peter used to represent a serail denier as a warning not think God who is eternal Spirit as if God is a dying man as us.

The lying prophecy given to Peter. Peter one of the antichists is shown rebuking the unseen Holy Father, forbidding the Son of man Jesus from doing the will of the Holy invisible Father

Mathew 16:22-23Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.;But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man Jesus. That 33-year window of possibility ended when the Son of man Jesus departed never to return in the dying flesh.

Another time Peter the serial denier was used as one of the many antichrists, Just being reinstated in his jealously of John he went to town and started another lying oral tradition saying John would not die and return to dust. . . the religion of reincarnation. The Pagan foundation. "Out of sight out of mind". God calls fools.

Christ the teacher did not say through Jessu the Son of man, the prophet that John would not die. But did say mind your own business

Therefore dispelling oral traditions of dying mankind revealing they have no power to raise the dead. if everyone was rebuked. and written down we would need a bigger planet to store the volumes upon volumes of lies

John 21:23-25;Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

 

[B-A-C]

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man Jesus. That 33-year window of possibility ended when the Son of man Jesus departed never to return in the dying flesh.

Matt 12:31 "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Matt 12:32 "Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
It would seem that blaspheming Jesus can be forgiven. But blaspheming the Holy Spirit cannot be.
Some people incorrectly believe this sin can't be committed anymore, however the passage above say it wasn't forgiven then,
and it won't be forgiven in the age to come.

Mark 3:22 The scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, "He is possessed by Beelzebul," and "He casts out the demons by the ruler of the demons."
Mark 3:28 "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
Mark 3:29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"—
Mark 3:30 because they were saying, "He has an unclean spirit."

Peter denied Jesus, but he never accused Jesus of doing things by the power of Satan.

But there are many many people who have denied Jesus at least once. I have seen altar calls for salvation were people refused to come
and accept Jesus, then... (days/weeks/months/years) ... later they accept Jesus. I believe some people get multiple opportunities to accept Jesus.

 

[B-A-C]

It's not ones interpretation that's the problem we r to wait on the Lord to reveal..

These are almost the exact words used by Joseph Smith (the founder of Mormonism). Similar words were frequently used by Charles Russel and Ron L Hubbard. According to him, it was "an angel of the Lord" who revealed this to him. (Moroni)

2Cor 11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
2Cor 11:14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
2Cor 11:15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

 

[Garee]

It would seem that blaspheming Jesus can be forgiven. But blaspheming the Holy Spirit cannot be.
Some people incorrectly believe this sin can't be committed anymore, however the passage above say it wasn't forgiven then,
and it won't be forgiven in the age to come.

In this age as the present age or the age to come blasphemy against the unseen Holy Spirit of the Father, Blasphemy was never forgivable against our invisible God from the very beginning when Satan (I will be like God) blasphemed the power or name of the invisible Father.

But there are many many people who have denied Jesus at least once. I have seen altar calls for salvation were people refused to come
and accept Jesus, then... (days/weeks/months/years) ... later they accept Jesus. I believe some people get multiple opportunities to accept Jesus.

I would offer.

Some did know Christ who worked in the Son of man Jesus as he works in all sons of God. Jesus the Son of man left not to return in dying flesh ... One demonstration of the lamb slain from the foundation the six days the father did work was all that was promised.

Some would crucify him over and over public shame as if one demonstration was not enough to please the Father, Christ

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

 

[Twistie]

These are almost the exact words used by Joseph Smith (the founder of Mormonism). Similar words were frequently used by Charles Russel and Ron L Hubbard. According to him, it was "an angel of the Lord" who revealed this to him. (Moroni)

2Cor 11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
2Cor 11:14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
2Cor 11:15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

Ok so are you saying man is to interpret) when it's clearly written do not lean on your own understanding .it's written One body that means One Head means One Way idk who joe Is not into the world like that but id do know to follow the word n not man..
Written one teacher also
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[Gothedral]

Ok so are you saying man is to interpret) when it's clearly written do not lean on your own understanding .it's written One body that means One Head means One Way idk who joe Is not into the world like that but id do know to follow the word n not man..
Written one teacher also
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first, i like the warning kanji haha table flipper

second, "mAn iS t0 InTeRpReT" is nowhere in the post. But YOU go ahead and interpret the uninterpretable. No wait that makes no sense, unless one claims like an Apostle or Prophet or someone called by God to lead the people like a Pastor leads a flock. There is no stalemate. But there is the Holy Spirit.

Where two or three are gathered... Ummm... ... Ugh... I lost the plot somewhere. ... "A Clean House". Cast out devils!

 

[Twistie]

first, i like the warning kanji haha table flipper

second, "mAn iS t0 InTeRpReT" is nowhere in the post. But YOU go ahead and interpret the uninterpretable. No wait that makes no sense, unless one claims like an Apostle or Prophet or someone called by God to lead the people like a Pastor leads a flock. There is no stalemate. But there is the Holy Spirit.

Where two or three are gathered... Ummm... ... Ugh... I lost the plot somewhere. ... "A Clean House". Cast out devils

Everything is written.. why one needs to interpret what is written when one can clearly read and write is beyond me
It's written One Teacher One body One Way. Unless the Spirit of the Lord leads one they r stumbling around in the dark..
Like the Lord told me many think they are sitting comfortably in the Light but they r running amok in darkness..
Then Temples many go to once a week n many of them preachers that many Pay to hear them repeat the Word are here to keep people spiritually immature and Immature tree can not produce fruit..

Everything is written yet man don't wanna spend time with The Almighty Creator they rather run from man to man temple to Temple to seek answers

Inasmuch as these people refused
The waters of Shiloah that flow softly,
And rejoice in Rezin and in Remaliah’s son;
Now therefore, behold, the Lord brings up over them
The waters of [d]the River, strong and mighty—
The king of Assyria and all his glory;
He will [e]go up over all his channels
And go over all his banks.
He will pass through Judah,
He will overflow and pass over,
He will reach up to the neck;
And the stretching out of his wings
Will [f]fill the breadth of Your land, O Immanuel

Many claim they r filled with His Spirit they just don't give Him no acknowledgement

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[Garee]

These are almost the exact words used by Joseph Smith (the founder of Mormonism). Similar words were frequently used by Charles Russel and Ron L Hubbard. According to him, it was "an angel of the Lord" who revealed this to him. (Moroni)

2Cor 11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
2Cor 11:14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
2Cor 11:15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

Yes, no such thing as an angel. It is used to replace apostle sent messenger. Not one verse to support the idea of a secret creation.

The fake word angel was coined in the tenth century to help support those who worship the dead to the living today called patron saints, a form of necromancy

We pray our one manner our Holy Father in heaven. Christ in us.

Not a multitude of disembodied gods male and female in the likeness of men. Roman and Greek mythology

 

[KingJ]

Matt 12:43 "Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it.
Matt 12:44 "Then it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came'; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order.
Matt 12:45 "Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation."

Luke 11:24 "When the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and not finding any, it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came.'
Luke 11:25 "And when it comes, it finds it swept and put in order.
Luke 11:26 "Then it goes and takes along seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first."

I have always heard that Christians can be oppressed by demons, but they cannot be possessed by demons.
How did this mans "house" get cleaned? Did he clean it himself? What are "waterless places"?

He had his demons exorcised.

All exorcists know to not cast demons out of someone who does not want them out. That is what happened to this guy.

Waterless places is wording Jesus uses to describe a spiritual truth that you and I cannot properly grasp.

Matt 25:8 "The foolish said to the prudent, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
Matt 25:9 "But the prudent answered, 'No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.'
Matt 25:10 "And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut.
Matt 25:11 "Later the other virgins also came, saying, 'Lord, lord, open up for us.'
Matt 25:12 "But he answered, 'Truly I say to you, I do not know you.'

What does the oil here symbolize? How did they run out? Who are the "dealers" where you buy the oil?
How did they get oil in the first place, before they ran out? Why were those with oil allowed in, but those who raon out of oil
not allowed in?

This parable by Jesus is perhaps the strongest support there is for a non OSAS belief.

As with all scripture, we need to consider context, other scripture and cross question it.

You cannot use it as a verse directly opposing OSAS as it was said by Jesus and not Paul. There was no Christianity at the time of Jesus. He needed to die before Rom 10:9 could make us Christians.

As such, if you want the parable to apply to Christians you need to edit it as follows:

''The non virgins who married Jesus, gave their lives to Jesus , were judged by God of the universe for sincerity of heart, were waiting for their husband....'' Imagine a husband not returning to His wife.

Today we can certainly understand the point that Jesus is making. He is concerned with half measure devotion. It speaks to me of people who think they are Christians. Are playing a game of Christianity. Half devotion = half cup of oil. Matt 7:22 Christians that per Matt 7:23 are not known. They never actually meet the bridegroom.

Scripture is crystal clear that God wants full devotion Matt 16:24 before you will pass His judgement Jer 17:9-12 and are made a Christian 2 Cor 5:17, 1 Cor 12:3, Rev 3:20, Rom 10:9.

Please read here for a detailed explanation on what it takes to become a Christian:

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[Gothedral]

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - William Goldman

This thread makes me think of Saint John chapter 3, verses 1-12 where Christ meets with one of the top teachers in Israel at the time, Nicodemus, and had to explain being born again, and then INTERPRET (haha) why Moses used the serpent staff (caduceus, sure) to prophesy Christ's manifestation in the flesh and His crucifixion. So much for bad guys inventing that weapon, or hijacking the symbols, eh?

Anyway, thanking God for the internet tool, there are at least 100 Scriptures on this matter of interpreting and translating ancient context and receiving the Divine Wisdom of the Holy Spirit of God on what these sacred records, The Word of God (*and the Word Is God) is telling the one receiving it.

But that's the idea; unless you are like Moses or Saint Peter or poor stoned Stephen, people like us need to maintain a fasting and prayerful relationship with Christ to obey the commandments and direction in the Holy Bible.

Otherwise it's Hollywood, and thou shall not bear false witness. Perfection.