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Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place, for all those who take the sword will die by the sword
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Greetings Brother,
When i see the words that he was counted with the transgressors, i ask, who was counting, so to speak?
you will notice in the next verse, [i didn't supply it] Jesus asks them, what... you come to me with staves and spears... what did you expect, a thief? He then reminded them that He was with them daily and they had plenty of opportunity before to take Him. (paraphrased somewhat by me)
Another place we read of Jesus being counted with the transgressors [in the New Testament - it is from the Old Testament] is about when He was being crucified, between two thieves.
If we look at the 'mentality'? of the men who were His enemies, those who should have been welcoming Him as Messiah, we see that they [like all of us, when carnal minded] look for any sort of 'evidence' against the Lord and in support of their own motives and actions and ambitions, so to speak.
Bear with me...
We read that God had rendered them in unbelief, they were the branch cut off, that they had hardened their hearts and minds against the Lord and they set out to bring false witness against Him. After Pentecost, they continued to fight against the Christ of God and His apostles and even all who went by His name. Their thinking was stinking.
Perhaps i make too much of it? but i see that the filling of Scripture spoken of Him in the Garden, with His disciples armed and cashed up etc, {as i pointed out previously} that to their minds it only went to prove that he was another imposter with a motley crew of followers, not about any proper and law abiding stuff [especially during Passover] and simply put, they were transgressors.... in the minds of those who counted Him, so... that the Scripture be fulfilled about Him.
So much, if not all, that we have about Jesus is a fulfillment and witness to the words of old spoken and recorded for the Jews and for us, too. It is no big or little thing i make of this but an observation that i find no problem with. However it does also help me in seeing that the purpose of the swords that Jesus said to buy was to be able to fill that Scripture about Him, perfectly, as with all other parts do, with no stone unturned, as proof of God's wisdom and architecture being perfect and perfected in His Son, to be perfected in those who believe. This might upset some who have thus far taken the sword and found solace in what the masses say regarding Jesus instructing His disciples to buy swords to mean to/in order to defend themselves.
He had already told them/reminded them in question, about how their every need was met by the Father.
It is enough, He said, when they said they had two swords. It is enough, He also said when in the garden, perhaps reminding them so, [a loving rebuke?], because it was all that was needed for a general consensus to be made by those, that way determined, that He was counted amongst transgressors. He healed the cut ear... something in itself as a testimony and sword to pierce His enemies conscience, if possible, ...as if to pick up the pieces and say, no, no. no... it is enough that you had the swords on you, you don't have to use them.. having them on you is sufficient [and as we read, that the Scripture be fulfilled} or, OK, that is all that was needed... {hence His no fuss approach to the ear being cut and restoring it... a sort of something that had to be done but without anyone getting hurt, so to speak}
I could be totally wrong about this and have put my neck on the block if anyone wants to use the Sword.. be kind to me and perhaps only give me a trim.... ahemm but leave the beard!
Not too sure how this will read to you but i thank the Lord He is able to grant you patience with my feeble way of communicating.
Bless you ....><>
When i see the words that he was counted with the transgressors, i ask, who was counting, so to speak?
you will notice in the next verse, [i didn't supply it] Jesus asks them, what... you come to me with staves and spears... what did you expect, a thief? He then reminded them that He was with them daily and they had plenty of opportunity before to take Him. (paraphrased somewhat by me)
Another place we read of Jesus being counted with the transgressors [in the New Testament - it is from the Old Testament] is about when He was being crucified, between two thieves.
If we look at the 'mentality'? of the men who were His enemies, those who should have been welcoming Him as Messiah, we see that they [like all of us, when carnal minded] look for any sort of 'evidence' against the Lord and in support of their own motives and actions and ambitions, so to speak.
Bear with me...
We read that God had rendered them in unbelief, they were the branch cut off, that they had hardened their hearts and minds against the Lord and they set out to bring false witness against Him. After Pentecost, they continued to fight against the Christ of God and His apostles and even all who went by His name. Their thinking was stinking.
Perhaps i make too much of it? but i see that the filling of Scripture spoken of Him in the Garden, with His disciples armed and cashed up etc, {as i pointed out previously} that to their minds it only went to prove that he was another imposter with a motley crew of followers, not about any proper and law abiding stuff [especially during Passover] and simply put, they were transgressors.... in the minds of those who counted Him, so... that the Scripture be fulfilled about Him.
So much, if not all, that we have about Jesus is a fulfillment and witness to the words of old spoken and recorded for the Jews and for us, too. It is no big or little thing i make of this but an observation that i find no problem with. However it does also help me in seeing that the purpose of the swords that Jesus said to buy was to be able to fill that Scripture about Him, perfectly, as with all other parts do, with no stone unturned, as proof of God's wisdom and architecture being perfect and perfected in His Son, to be perfected in those who believe. This might upset some who have thus far taken the sword and found solace in what the masses say regarding Jesus instructing His disciples to buy swords to mean to/in order to defend themselves.
He had already told them/reminded them in question, about how their every need was met by the Father.
It is enough, He said, when they said they had two swords. It is enough, He also said when in the garden, perhaps reminding them so, [a loving rebuke?], because it was all that was needed for a general consensus to be made by those, that way determined, that He was counted amongst transgressors. He healed the cut ear... something in itself as a testimony and sword to pierce His enemies conscience, if possible, ...as if to pick up the pieces and say, no, no. no... it is enough that you had the swords on you, you don't have to use them.. having them on you is sufficient [and as we read, that the Scripture be fulfilled} or, OK, that is all that was needed... {hence His no fuss approach to the ear being cut and restoring it... a sort of something that had to be done but without anyone getting hurt, so to speak}
I could be totally wrong about this and have put my neck on the block if anyone wants to use the Sword.. be kind to me and perhaps only give me a trim.... ahemm but leave the beard!
Not too sure how this will read to you but i thank the Lord He is able to grant you patience with my feeble way of communicating.
Bless you ....><>
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Greeting my friend
Starting with the last statement first. ;o)
Not too sure how this will read to you but i thank the Lord He is able to grant you patience with my feeble way of communicating.
The last statement summed up how your message ran for me, I read slowly as I do, with a chuckle here and a laugh there, not an ermmm (meaning I guess a reply is about to follow) May be now you may chuckle, maybe.
Then I came to your last comment it sort of summed things up. So I am not sure how this will read with you brother, but I too thank you for your patience, and chickle if there is one.
My first chuckle was a message from yourself Br. Bear and a statement in your post saying, Bear with me...
Having got the bear necessities I continued to read, slowly as I do.
Jesus was a threat to their 'Religion'
He came to His own but they failed to recognise Him.
God gave us prophesies so that when they happen we know, God is in them, God said they would happen, we should believe.
Your a poet and didn't know it brother
They felt He was an imposter, but the main reason they wanted rid of Him was, He was getting more followers than them! He was a threat to their religion, their cosy lives they had created for themselves, the money they make at Passover etc.
This situation has been debated for years brother, and will no doubt carry on until Christ Returns in Glory.
I am not sure myself regarding the swords, what you have put is very good but I still have reservations.
If someone has a sword or a gun, under threat they would no doubt use it to defend themselves or another they love.
Another message regarding the sword, worth considering is...
Luke 2:33-35 (NKJV)
33 And Joseph and His mother marveled at those things which were spoken of Him.
34 Then Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary His mother, "Behold, this Child is destined for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign which will be spoken against
35 (yes, a sword will pierce through your own soul also), that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed."
Luke 2:33-35 (NIV2011)
33 The child’s father and mother marveled at what was said about him.
34 Then Simeon blessed them and said to Mary, his mother: “This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against,
35 so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your own soul too.”
Blessings \o/
Starting with the last statement first. ;o)
Not too sure how this will read to you but i thank the Lord He is able to grant you patience with my feeble way of communicating.
The last statement summed up how your message ran for me, I read slowly as I do, with a chuckle here and a laugh there, not an ermmm (meaning I guess a reply is about to follow) May be now you may chuckle, maybe.
Then I came to your last comment it sort of summed things up. So I am not sure how this will read with you brother, but I too thank you for your patience, and chickle if there is one.
My first chuckle was a message from yourself Br. Bear and a statement in your post saying, Bear with me...
Having got the bear necessities I continued to read, slowly as I do.
Jesus was a threat to their 'Religion'
He came to His own but they failed to recognise Him.
God gave us prophesies so that when they happen we know, God is in them, God said they would happen, we should believe.
Your a poet and didn't know it brother
They felt He was an imposter, but the main reason they wanted rid of Him was, He was getting more followers than them! He was a threat to their religion, their cosy lives they had created for themselves, the money they make at Passover etc.
This situation has been debated for years brother, and will no doubt carry on until Christ Returns in Glory.
I am not sure myself regarding the swords, what you have put is very good but I still have reservations.
If someone has a sword or a gun, under threat they would no doubt use it to defend themselves or another they love.
Another message regarding the sword, worth considering is...
Luke 2:33-35 (NKJV)
33 And Joseph and His mother marveled at those things which were spoken of Him.
34 Then Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary His mother, "Behold, this Child is destined for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign which will be spoken against
35 (yes, a sword will pierce through your own soul also), that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed."
Luke 2:33-35 (NIV2011)
33 The child’s father and mother marveled at what was said about him.
34 Then Simeon blessed them and said to Mary, his mother: “This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against,
35 so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your own soul too.”
Blessings \o/
Greetings Brother-Paul,
yes, that Sword does pierce and as far as i recall is the only sword used by any of the early church.
For a little insight/background [for whoever reads], at the time when our Lord was born and lived and was crucified, after He had risen and for quite some time after, meaning while the Church was still 'young', there had been and were many false Messiahs and usually they had followers who followed their lead in raising arms against the Romans and even other Jewish folk and those also who were called Christians.
The whole 'scene' into which the Church was born was rife with this sort of uprising against the authorities [Roman rule and what we might today refer to Judaism]. This is significant in understanding quite a lot of what we read in the New Testament. [but not essential to coming to Jesus for His Salvation].
Oppression and persecution, opposition and mistrust, being brought before the councils and the Roman authority was fairly standard for any and all who did any of the Messiah 'thing'.
Along comes Jesus [all praise and honour and glory to God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ] and they [the rulers of the world at large and the Jewish authority] had another crackpot to deal with [they thought] and possibly another uprising, another blasphemer, another cult following and for the Jewish people, [the rulers included - after all, they were responsible for the welfare of the people of Israel] for the Jewish people, another threat of upsetting the Romans and with it a very real possibility for backlash and even worse. They had for a long time been working to establish and keep a level of diplomacy with the ever changing Roman rulers and kings etc. The time leading up to Jesus's birth was splattered with fighting and in-house treachery and backstabbing for a portion of power as the Jewish {Israel at that time} established a relative and compromising 'peace' with Rome and along the path of doing so, they [some] gained certain position recognised by Rome as part of the 'cease-fire' arrangements.
So, the idea of Jesus suggesting to arm yourselves for fight and defense is not in line with His whole 'mission', nor His call to the Church in how they were to be. They were not to be a rebellious people against the Romans by force and from what we glean, they were to obey and submit to the Roman rule. Many have stated and repeated, that one of the issues that the Jews had against this man {Man, the Son of man} was that He did not come to defeat the Romans as they had hoped their messiah would.
The fall and ruin of Jerusalem in AD 70 came about as the result of several false Messiahs in a row, and one in particular, who pushed the Roman empire too far. There was also a lot of in-fighting as different 'leaders' of cultist notoriety fought to gain ruler-ship over Jerusalem and the fight against the Romans.
If i have overlooked a place where we learn that the early Church - Apostles - used swords or any other weapons for any purpose except for the glorious Sword of the Lord, please indicate it to me [You, my Brother or any other who might read this post].
Jesus is Lord
Bless you ....><>
Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you: but I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh. For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; ) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; and having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
2Corinthians 10:1-6
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into His rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with Whom we have to do.
Hebrews 4:9-13
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Ephesians 6:17
yes, that Sword does pierce and as far as i recall is the only sword used by any of the early church.
For a little insight/background [for whoever reads], at the time when our Lord was born and lived and was crucified, after He had risen and for quite some time after, meaning while the Church was still 'young', there had been and were many false Messiahs and usually they had followers who followed their lead in raising arms against the Romans and even other Jewish folk and those also who were called Christians.
The whole 'scene' into which the Church was born was rife with this sort of uprising against the authorities [Roman rule and what we might today refer to Judaism]. This is significant in understanding quite a lot of what we read in the New Testament. [but not essential to coming to Jesus for His Salvation].
Oppression and persecution, opposition and mistrust, being brought before the councils and the Roman authority was fairly standard for any and all who did any of the Messiah 'thing'.
Along comes Jesus [all praise and honour and glory to God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ] and they [the rulers of the world at large and the Jewish authority] had another crackpot to deal with [they thought] and possibly another uprising, another blasphemer, another cult following and for the Jewish people, [the rulers included - after all, they were responsible for the welfare of the people of Israel] for the Jewish people, another threat of upsetting the Romans and with it a very real possibility for backlash and even worse. They had for a long time been working to establish and keep a level of diplomacy with the ever changing Roman rulers and kings etc. The time leading up to Jesus's birth was splattered with fighting and in-house treachery and backstabbing for a portion of power as the Jewish {Israel at that time} established a relative and compromising 'peace' with Rome and along the path of doing so, they [some] gained certain position recognised by Rome as part of the 'cease-fire' arrangements.
So, the idea of Jesus suggesting to arm yourselves for fight and defense is not in line with His whole 'mission', nor His call to the Church in how they were to be. They were not to be a rebellious people against the Romans by force and from what we glean, they were to obey and submit to the Roman rule. Many have stated and repeated, that one of the issues that the Jews had against this man {Man, the Son of man} was that He did not come to defeat the Romans as they had hoped their messiah would.
The fall and ruin of Jerusalem in AD 70 came about as the result of several false Messiahs in a row, and one in particular, who pushed the Roman empire too far. There was also a lot of in-fighting as different 'leaders' of cultist notoriety fought to gain ruler-ship over Jerusalem and the fight against the Romans.
If i have overlooked a place where we learn that the early Church - Apostles - used swords or any other weapons for any purpose except for the glorious Sword of the Lord, please indicate it to me [You, my Brother or any other who might read this post].
Jesus is Lord
Bless you ....><>
Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you: but I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh. For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; ) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; and having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
2Corinthians 10:1-6
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into His rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with Whom we have to do.
Hebrews 4:9-13
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Ephesians 6:17
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Hi Br Bear
The only person to use a sword was Peter, who cut off a person's ear. But Jesus healed him. Bless you
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And that miracle is so overlooked, by all the commotion in those early hours.
Bless you
1John 4:20 reads:
“If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom He hath not seen?”
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1John 3:14-15
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So well said, it produce this thought pattern as Well in me just now. When men go to war, some Christians fell to realise That, there are real Christians in every nation among its people. Like among Iranians, and Palestinians,,Syrians, and many other nations. If you are a Christian and use a weapon of any kind upon one of these nations would you not be guilty of killing one of your brothers and sister in Christ, even in your conscious.
Or in war, killing your brothers and sisters in Christ fair game? It does not count?
Or in war, killing your brothers and sisters in Christ fair game? It does not count?
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Yes Plough boy, I believe it does count, we are called to love our enemies, not kill them. Bless you
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For reference regarding the use of the word SWORD
Greek Strong's Number: 3162
Greek Word: μάχαιρα
Transliteration: machaira
Phonetic Pronunciation: makh'-ahee-rah
Vine's Words: Sword
English Words used in KJV:
sword 29
probably feminine of a presumed derivative of <G3163> (mache); a knife, i.e. dirk; figurative war, judicial punishment :- sword.
G3162 - Sword - occurs in the following verses
Matt 10:34; Matt 26:51-52; Mark 14:47; Luke 21:24; Luke 21:36; Luke 22:49; John 18:10-11;
Acts 12:2; Acts 16:27; Rom 8:35; Rom 13:4; Eph 6:17; Heb 4:12; Heb 11:34; Rev 6:4; Rev 13:10; Rev 13:4
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For reference regarding SWORD
Greek Strong's Number: 4501
Greek Word: ῥομφαία
Transliteration: rhomphaia
Phonetic Pronunciation: hrom-fah'-yah
Vine's Words: Sword
English Words used in KJV:
sword 7
probably of foreign origin; a sabre, i.e. a long and broad cutlass (any weapon of the kind, literal or figurative) :- sword.
G4501
Luke 2:35; Rev 1:16; Rev 2:12; Rev 2:16; Rev 6:8; Rev 19:15; Rev 19:21
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For reference regarding SWORD
Greek Strong's Number: 5408
Greek Word: φόνος
Transliteration: phonos
Phonetic Pronunciation: fon'os
Vine's Words: Murder, Slaughter
English Words used in KJV:
murder 8
slaughter 1
be slain <g599> 1
from an obsolete primary pheno (to slay); murder :- murder, + be slain with, slaughter.
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For reference regarding SWORD PROCEEDED
This verse includes 2x Sword, 1 @ G4501 above and second sword word G1607 below which is less relevant as it refers to, sword proceeded
Greek Strong's Number: 1607
Greek Word: ἐκπορεύομαι
Transliteration: ekporeuomai
Phonetic Pronunciation: ek-por-yoo'-om-ahee
Root: from <G1537> and <G4198>
Vine's Words: Come, Came, Depart, Issue, Proceed
English Words used in KJV:
proceed 10
go out 6
go 5
come 4
depart 3
go forth 2
miscellaneous translations 4
vr go forth 1
[Total Count: 35]
from <G1537> (ek) and <G4198> (poreuomai); to depart, be discharged, proceed, project :- come (forth, out of), depart, go (forth, out), issue, proceed (out of).
Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.
Greek Strong's Number: 3162
Greek Word: μάχαιρα
Transliteration: machaira
Phonetic Pronunciation: makh'-ahee-rah
Vine's Words: Sword
English Words used in KJV:
sword 29
probably feminine of a presumed derivative of <G3163> (mache); a knife, i.e. dirk; figurative war, judicial punishment :- sword.
G3162 - Sword - occurs in the following verses
Matt 10:34; Matt 26:51-52; Mark 14:47; Luke 21:24; Luke 21:36; Luke 22:49; John 18:10-11;
Acts 12:2; Acts 16:27; Rom 8:35; Rom 13:4; Eph 6:17; Heb 4:12; Heb 11:34; Rev 6:4; Rev 13:10; Rev 13:4
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For reference regarding SWORD
Greek Strong's Number: 4501
Greek Word: ῥομφαία
Transliteration: rhomphaia
Phonetic Pronunciation: hrom-fah'-yah
Vine's Words: Sword
English Words used in KJV:
sword 7
probably of foreign origin; a sabre, i.e. a long and broad cutlass (any weapon of the kind, literal or figurative) :- sword.
G4501
Luke 2:35; Rev 1:16; Rev 2:12; Rev 2:16; Rev 6:8; Rev 19:15; Rev 19:21
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For reference regarding SWORD
Greek Strong's Number: 5408
Greek Word: φόνος
Transliteration: phonos
Phonetic Pronunciation: fon'os
Vine's Words: Murder, Slaughter
English Words used in KJV:
murder 8
slaughter 1
be slain <g599> 1
from an obsolete primary pheno (to slay); murder :- murder, + be slain with, slaughter.
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For reference regarding SWORD PROCEEDED
This verse includes 2x Sword, 1 @ G4501 above and second sword word G1607 below which is less relevant as it refers to, sword proceeded
Greek Strong's Number: 1607
Greek Word: ἐκπορεύομαι
Transliteration: ekporeuomai
Phonetic Pronunciation: ek-por-yoo'-om-ahee
Root: from <G1537> and <G4198>
Vine's Words: Come, Came, Depart, Issue, Proceed
English Words used in KJV:
proceed 10
go out 6
go 5
come 4
depart 3
go forth 2
miscellaneous translations 4
vr go forth 1
[Total Count: 35]
from <G1537> (ek) and <G4198> (poreuomai); to depart, be discharged, proceed, project :- come (forth, out of), depart, go (forth, out), issue, proceed (out of).
Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.
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God bless you Brother Paul, that's far to complicated for me, I just let the scriptures speak to me, getting into that lot just makes my head go dingy, but have fun brother. T
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Greetings brother
What is important, I feel, from this study is...
- The number of times Sword is used in the New Testament
- Forgetting the last one Sword has three definitions from the original language
- G3163 is used 29 times in the 17 scripture references quoted
- G4501 is used 7 times in the 7 scripture references quoted
- G5408 is used 1 times in the 1 scripture references quoted
G4501 - Vine's Words: Sword - probably of foreign origin; a sabre, i.e. a long and broad cutlass (any weapon of the kind, literal or figurative) :- sword.
G5408 - Vine's Words: Murder, Slaughter - (to slay); murder :- murder, + be slain with, slaughter.
So when we look at the scriptures quotes and Sword is mentioned, we understand the translation can be one of three as shown above.
Because we see G5408 is the most vicious, Murder/Slaughter that gives us the worst use of the word. The most violent use of the word, as it happens this is clear to see.
Revelation 6:8 (NKJV)
So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.
G4501 however is more figurative as we can see here for example
Luke 2:34-35 (NKJV) Then Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary His mother, "Behold, this Child is destined for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign which will be spoken against (yes, a sword will pierce through your own soul also), that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed."
G3162 also refers to the sword, but not murderous or slaughterous as G5408
Here the sword is used or suggested but not to kill
Matthew 10:34 (NKJV)
Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
Mark 14:47 (NKJV)
And one of those who stood by drew his sword and struck the servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.
John 18:10-11 (NKJV)
Then Simon Peter, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.
So Jesus said to Peter, "Put your sword into the sheath. Shall I not drink the cup which My Father has given Me?"
There are some uses of this translation Greek word 3162 that do refer to killing such as
Acts 16:27 (NKJV)
And the keeper of the prison, awaking from sleep and seeing the prison doors open, supposing the prisoners had fled, drew his sword and was about to kill himself.
We all must allow the Holy Spirit to talk to us through God's Word, or by what ever method He chooses. But I do feel at times it is important to understand Sword in this translated word may not have the same meaning in another verse, which we see here. It doesn't just stop with the word Sword, that is the problem with translations.
I do apologise however that in adding the scripture verses they have defaulted to NLT version, I do prefer to stick to NKJV, KJV, NIV although I usually have 6-8 translations open at all times, I like to compare with CJB and NJB also.
Bless you my friend
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Hi Paul, bless you brother, I only have an NIV and I find the Lord, on occasions, opens my eyes as I read it. On other occasions scripture, that I have already read, comes to mind as I need it. I do understand that the sword that the jailer was going to kill himself with is different than the Sword of the Spirit, as was, the sword that Peter used to cut off the ear of Malchus, in the garden of, I believe it was Gethsemane. Some maybe, are called to study in the way that you do. I don't believe I am, but my brother, each to his own.
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Greeting brother
There is no right way and no wrong way, as long as we study The Word, that is all that matters, the NIV is a good translation, I used it on its own for years, there are a number of errors in translation, but that could be said for the KJV also, that is why I use NKJV as well as the corrections were applied.
The Holy Spirit reveals the Truth in The Word to us, we are to feed on The Word in our heart with Thanksgiving. As we do, slowly digesting the Holy Spirit reminds us of what we have previously read, it just jumps out in front of us, reminds us.
I like the saying, you cannot give out what you have not taken in, so long as we keep praying and reading The Word, we are getting right with God, each as they feel best, each as they have time for, each by the method that best suits them.
Bless you my friend.
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Your right Paul, In the gospel of John we are told that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, a couple or so verses later we hear that, the Word became flesh and made his dwelling amongst us. So Jesus is the Word made flesh. John 6:57-58, Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever. So linking, these two scriptures together we find that the Word is also the bread we are called to feed on, and that is what I do, I just feed on the written Word, I don't try to understand it, I just feed on it as I would a meal. When I eat a meal, I don't try to understand what the ingredients of the meal consists of, I just consume it and it strengthens me. Same with the bread of life, I read it and then more often than not forget it but the Spirit within me doesn't forget it because whenever I am in need of scripture for witnessing or defending myself against the enemy the Spirit within me brings the Word to mind and either, an enemy is thwarted or a seeker is fed. That has been my way for the past forty years and He hasn't failed me. Bless you Paul.
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Are the children of the devil brother and sisters to the children of God?
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Satan doesn't have any children, he's totally impotent in both senses of the word.
John describes unbelievers as children of the devil in I John 3:10-12 -
In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.
In this passage children of the devil might better be described as followers rather than a blood relative because they at any time can become adopted sons of the living God and joint heirs with Christ by accepting Jesus as their saviour. Children of the devil cannot look to Satan as a father figure, he cares nothing for them other than their destruction.
Hope that helps and clarifies.
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