Sue D. said:

@Gregoryp -- 'fellow real Christians' -- either a person is a Christian or they aren't. And, yes, with this illegal immigration mess -- it will be a bumpy ride from now on.

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I have came across so many false christians with manmade doctrines and theology its crazy. They are so lost, and when I rebuke them and point out they are not christians, they rise up in anger and ban me from their facebook pages etc. They dont even bother to read the scripture I share to see what I am trying to tell them.

Gregoryp said:

I know this is way off topic, but why I do get the following message on this site often? Am I being persecuted?
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Don't feel too bad, I get those messages too.

Gregoryp said:

I have came across so many false christians with manmade doctrines and theology its crazy. They are so lost, and when I rebuke them and point out they are not christians, they rise up in anger and ban me from their facebook pages etc. They dont even bother to read the scripture I share to see what I am trying to tell them.

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Then they aren't really Christians.

God's Word, kept in context , Is theology -- what God is teaching us in His Word. HOW a person approaches another person about their beliefs is as important as what is being shown To them. At least you're trying. I offer my 2 cents worth on my FB page frequently. We are to share with whomever is willing to listen. Then They make their own decisions.

Gregoryp said:

They dont even bother to read the scripture I share to see what I am trying to tell them.

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Well Jesus did warn us not to throw our pearls before an unappreciative audience.

Gregoryp said:

I believe we have ten to fifteen years left. Things are happening so rapidly now,

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That is being very naïve. I believe (given my impeccable sources) that we are truly on the cusp now of things going boom.
Forget the circus that is the U.S.A. - pay attention to the real news as to what is going on - the Middle East - for if Israel attacks Iran there will be fireworks.
And the Israelis are seriously talking up attacking Iran now that their sheriff Trump is no longer in town.

Downunder said:

That is being very naïve. I believe (given my impeccable sources) that we are truly on the cusp now of things going boom.
Forget the circus that is the U.S.A. - pay attention to the real news as to what is going on - the Middle East - for if Israel attacks Iran there will be fireworks.
And the Israelis are seriously talking up attacking Iran now that their sheriff Trump is no longer in town.

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Take note of the european union, particularly Italy. Over the past decade they have been very busy rebuilding the roman empire, treaties, free trade agreements with nations around or near the mediterranean. Never mind the usa or China, those are the least of the problems. Italy’s Mediterranean Belt and Road

What amazes me is that a lot christians in the USA don't realize that their are real christians being tortured in the middle east, "Syria, Pakistan, Iran, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Turkey, Kuwait, Cyprus. And these are christians, GOD said: of many nations. "There is neither Gentile or Jew".

I have set down and ate, and laugh with "Syrians, Lebanese, Chaldeans, and Pakistanis christians and some who have been persecuted by Israelis. Christians persecuted by Israel just because they were "Pakistanis" dis place them and have taken their homes. it seems to me, the American Christians are so naive sometimes concerning so many common things, even the things in Christ. For it is Liken too, when we have given our children so much, and they don't appreciate it and take what we have done for them, for granted, and they think that they deserve it. And when they talk back to you in such a way, it hurts. the things you endured to get them where they are today.

PloughBoy said:

What amazes me is that a lot christians in the USA don't realize that their are real christians being tortured in the middle east, "Syria, Pakistan, Iran, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Turkey, Kuwait, Cyprus. And these are christians,

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Many modern first world Christians with their gospel music worship have been promised a futuristic tribulation that will not affect them because they shall escape and be taken away.
But the rest of the world will burn while these escaped Christians will watch it all unfold on giant TV screens in a heavenly resort.
No wonder they give their money so readily to pastors peddling that tripe. Have "we" gone back to selling indulgences as tickets to Heaven for coin?
And for so many Christians throughout the world the Tribulation has already started. Islamists and Hindus slaughter, rape and pillage Christian villages and people daily now.
How come these people have not been raptured and taken out of harm's way?
Our Pentecostal church has already had a pastor and some brethren killed in Pakistan.

Revelation 6:
9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne; 10 they cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?” 11 Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been.

@Downunder -- you see the rapture of the Church as tripe? / escapism? Why not share how you REALLY feel.

God's Word tells us that becoming a born again believer will Not make life easier -- but Harder. And , yes, in many countries Christians Are being martyred. There has been tribulation / troubles ever since the beginning.

The Coming 7 yrs Of tribulation are the the unrepentant Jews. Not for born again believers. We're in the time of the Gentiles to be included in salvation. "To the Jews 1st and then also for the Greeks'" Greeks = the rest of us. Non-Jews.

And , there Will be multitudes of people saved during those 7 yrs. There will be 144,000 sealed Jews during that time -- 12,000 for each of the named tribes -- to evangelize the Jews. And many Will die because of their faith.

The rapture of the Church is when Jesus Christ comes to gather us up in the air -- the dead in Christ coming 1st and then those who are alive. It will be Quickly -- the twinking of an eye. It Won't be 'us' calling up to Christ to Please come down and get us.

But there will Also be the 1,000 yr earthly reign of Christ.

Sorry for your churches' loss in Pakistan.

Sue D. said:

you see the rapture of the Church as tripe? / escapism?

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That is not what I wrote.
I am saying that populist pastors offering shallow feel good Christianity are selling a false doctrine that their flocks will not undergo any tribulations coming upon the world, and that they will escape such by being raptured before the
wrath of God is poured out on a wicked world.
That is not scriptural. Christians also undergo this period of world war and planet shaking and must endure unto the end.
Our protection is not escape from planet Earth but rather divine protection for the Spirit-filled church.
Psalm 91 gives a good description of this protection.

Philadelphia
Rev 3:10 Because you have kept my word of patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial which is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell upon the earth.

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I read somewhere, I do not remember where
that if you tell the people the same lie over and over for three months, the majority of the people will take that lie as absolute truth. They will become totally brainwashed, and will follow like sheep. Do you see that today? Yup you do...Yesterday is gone forever and tomorrow comes the one world government and the antichrist.
Listen! The bride makes herself ready....Get ready now! You are minutes or hours, from the rapture...It is VERY close...You want to be part of that bride that is caught up. The bride is the one who has made herself ready.

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Amen

I have been thinking lately about how all will believe the anti-christs lies and unite unanimously against Christians. They will feel nothing for demonizing us. Insulting and hating us. They will believe lies about us hating them. Thinking we are better. Self righteous. Judgmental. A virus that the future of mankind cannot accommodate. An obstacle to a new world order in which everyone is free, cough cough.

KingJ said:

Amen

I have been thinking lately about how all will believe the anti-christs lies and unite unanimously against Christians. They will feel nothing for demonizing us. Insulting and hating us. They will believe lies about us hating them. Thinking we are better. Self righteous. Judgmental. A virus that the future of mankind cannot accommodate. An obstacle to a new world order in which everyone is free, cough cough.

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Already happening today.
In the state of Victoria the politically correct Andrews Labor government has just passed new laws that make it an offence for Christians to preach to homosexuals and the alphabet population that they need to repent or to change.
If any church offers any manner of converting homosexuals, etc. or prescribes a need to convert for salvation that is unlawful and penalties apply.
There are many anti-Christs in the world (as scripture teaches) and they are active today as busy activists doing their father's business.

Downunder said:

Already happening today.
In the state of Victoria the politically correct Andrews Labor government has just passed new laws that make it an offence for Christians to preach to homosexuals and the alphabet population that they need to repent or to change.
If any church offers any manner of converting homosexuals, etc. or prescribes a need to convert for salvation that is unlawful and penalties apply.
There are many anti-Christs in the world (as scripture teaches) and they are active today as busy activists doing their father's business.

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This is true. it is smoke before the fire.

Remember this guy - he was a good devil. This was produced for children to read and enjoy.

Downunder said:

That is not what I wrote.
I am saying that populist pastors offering shallow feel good Christianity are selling a false doctrine that their flocks will not undergo any tribulations coming upon the world, and that they will escape such by being raptured before the
wrath of God is poured out on a wicked world.
That is not scriptural. Christians also undergo this period of world war and planet shaking and must endure unto the end.
Our protection is not escape from planet Earth but rather divine protection for the Spirit-filled church.
Psalm 91 gives a good description of this protection.

Philadelphia
Rev 3:10 Because you have kept my word of patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial which is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell upon the earth.

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You're simply paraphrasing what you originally said.

And the context of Rev 3 is also important.

Jesus Christ , Himself, said He was coming back for us -- and that it will happen in the twinkling of an eye. 1 Thessalonians 4:13 - 18

Sue D. said:

Jesus Christ , Himself, said He was coming back for us -- and that it will happen in the twinkling of an eye.

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So what exactly are you disputing? I am not following the point of your posts.

@Downunder -- you've been saying that the rapture is 'a great escape' -- that Christians want to avoid the 7 yr tribulation so they come up with a 'rapture' event. I'm simply pointing out a passage that describes it.

Sue D. said:

@Downunder -- you've been saying that the rapture is 'a great escape' -- that Christians want to avoid the 7 yr tribulation so they come up with a 'rapture' event. I'm simply pointing out a passage that describes it.

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1 Thessalonians 4:13 - 18 nor 1Corinthians 15 nor any other scriptures teach and promise any rapture of the elect before the Day of the Lord.
When the Lord Jesus return with his angels at the last trump with the shout of the archangel then the dead in Christ will rise up and we who are left alive shall also rise up to meet the Lord in the air ... the marriage feast.

@Downunder -- and That is the rapture.

You're saying 'at the last trump' -- there Are seven trumpets starting in chapter 8 of Revelation and chapter 9 talks about the 5th angel and in vs 13 the 6th angel and then finally in chapter 10:7 is the 7th angel sounding the last trump.

Compare That with the 1 Thessalonians 4 passage -- vs 16 "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first....." That is an entirely difference scenario than in Revelation 10.

So -- what do You consider to be the "Day of the Lord"?