Br. Bear said:

The doing word is to believe.
If you must try to dis-assemble and reconstruct the words in the Bible, look at the word, believe.
We are also told if we believe and confess with our mouth, we shall be saved.

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The crux of the entire conversation to me.
Is Rom 10:9; really all there is to being saved? Or is it the bare minimum to get started?

I recently had a conversation with a new "Christian".

Me: Do you believe in Jesus?
Him: Absolutely

Me: Is Jesus the Son of God?
Him: Don't know, don't care.

Me: Is Jesus God?
Him: Don't know, don't care.

Me: Was Jesus sinless?
Him: I doubt it, no one is.

Me: Was Jesus resurrected from the dead?
Him: What does resurrected mean?

Me: Do you believe the things Jesus said, like you must repent?
Him: I don't know what He said, I just believe in Him.

So I guess He met your requirements, He says he believes in Jesus with his mouth.
But is he saved?

James 2:19; You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

The demons also believe, are they saved?

What makes Rom 10:9; more valid as a stand-alone verse, than any of these verses?

Matt 10:22; says I have to endure til the end to be saved.
Matt 24:13; also says I have to endure to the end to be saved. ( see Mark 13:13; also )
Mark 16:16; says I have to be baptized to be saved.
John 3:3 and 5; say I have to be born again to be saved.
Matt 3:8-10; says I have to bear good fruit in order to be saved.
Matt 19:17; says I have to keep the commandments in order to be saved.
John 3:36; says I have to obey Jesus in order to be saved.
John 5:34; says I have to believe Jesus is the Son of God in order to be saved.
Luke 13:3; and 5; says I have to repent in order to be saved.
1Cor 15:1-2; says if I need to hold into the gospel in order to be saved.
2Thes 2:10; says I have to receive the love of the truth in order to be saved.
James 2:24; says some works are required in order to be saved.
Rev 3:5; says you have to overcome in order to be saved.

There are a few more... but why do we pick one verse and say that's all you have to do?

Br. Bear said:

which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

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Getting saved is easy, staying saved is not always easy. Enduring until the end is not always easy.

Luke 14:27; “Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.
Luke 14:28; “For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it?
Luke 14:29; “Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who observe it begin to ridicule him,
Luke 14:30; saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish.’

Dave M said:

HI @Gregoryp ,,,,

what is the way you see the difference between true repentance and asking to be forgiven??

I used to think they were one in the same thing, when I was catholic I used to commit the same sins every week, and I knew they were wrong and it bothered me a little. I would even go confess to a priest I even thought the priest had the power to forgive me, I used to also think God had no choice he had to forgive me if I asked,,, I thought I was saved back then.

then I started reading the bible got truly convicted and confessed to God, I started actually changing, IF I sinned it was such a conviction, I eventually stopped these sins I had practiced most of my life.

The way I understand the difference between the two,, is one is a real change of heart, true repentance leads to a change of behavior.

Asking to be forgiven, may be just a way to stay out of hell, but not really a change of heart. But asking to be forgiven may also lead to real repentance, but not all the time.

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this is what I was implying, willfully sinning is not on, period. Keep falling into tempation is a sign of Gods compassion and grace that he allows you to return. I know of many people who have turned away from Jesus and returned, he welcomes them with open arms, as per the prodigal son parable.

B-A-C said:

2Pet 2:19; promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.
2Pet 2:20; For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
2Pet 2:21; For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
2Pet 2:22; It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A dog returns to its own vomit,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”

Heb 6:4; For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5; and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Heb 6:6; and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Heb 10:26; For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27; but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries.

Heb 12:15; See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;

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Obviously , someone who returns to living in the depths of their former sins would appear to be the example of this. Yet, there are thosewho have fallen back into former sins and returned again.

There are even those in the bible who have messed up bad, and still been forgiven (king David, et al.) .

At what point does backsliding become renewal of consumption by sin?

I've lied, stolen, watched porn, and more before being Saved, and sometimes still do, though I feel ashamed . I repent, and pursue doing better . Yet, some of my worst sins have been committed after being Saved .

Another question I have, and started a thread for:
What about masturbation ?

I have done more of it since being Saved, and seldom with porn. I feel seared for porn, but I don't feel seared for masturbation, unless indecent, evil and perverse desires, gets in way of living and serving YAH, or provoked by evil (I was molested, and seared strongly not to rub away the burning arousal that had been forced on me, when later I was alone and wanted to get the feeling to stop). I have felt clean, clear, unashamed, and able to praise YAH wholeheartedly, and even asked if I may before departing from my accomplished chores to do so.

Scholars agree there is no verse mentioning it, and the bible inspired by YAH declared there to be no private interpretations. Arguments often focus on the already married and adultery, or other harbored sins at the core, or when it becomes an obsession. Yet, Leviticus mentions, "an emission going out from a man" as separate from sex in all listed forms, and even discusses various garments, bedding, etc. Deuteronomy mentioned it again with the words, "in the night ". So, at a minimum:

For those fretting over wet dreams: It's varified not to be a sin, for they are not clean, but they don't require a sacrifice, only washing up and keeping away from contact of fluids with others, even unseen residues. Further, they occur naturally in those who neither masturbate nor are sexually active after extended periods of time, and cannot appear to be avoided in occurences, although they can be resisted if you pray for strength to resist and pray against them, should they trouble and torment you as they did me.

That should be a thread of its own!

This has been discussed before, but yes, prodigals sons can return, yes lost sheep can be found.
How many times can they return? Seven times 70? I don't know, but apparently there is a limit, at least for some people.

Consider...

Pharaoh hardened his own heart a number of times...
Exod 7:13; Exod 7:22; Exod 8:15; Exod 8:19; Exod 8:32; Exod 9:7;
and finally in Exod 9:12; God Himself hardens Pharaoh's heart. ( see Exod 10:1; )

The 2nd half of Romans 1, has a lot to do with lesbiansm and homosexuality,
It talks about people who know God, (and His ordinances) but refuse to obey them.

Rom 1:21; For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:24; Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.
Rom 1:26; For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
Rom 1:28; And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

Some people point to Matt 7:23; and say well Jesus never "knew them". But it says here in Romans 1, they "knew" God.
But they kept hardening their heart towards Him so many times, eventually He "gave them over" to the sinful life they wanted.
Eventually God is done with you. Enough is enough.

2Thes 2:10; and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
2Thes 2:11; For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
2Thes 2:12; in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

People who don't want to receive the truth, people who take pleasure in wickedness... Eventually God says enough is enough.
You don't want to accept the truth, I'll make sure you don't.

Heb 12:15; See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;

It says here, that it is possible to eventually fall short of the grace of God.
Yes, I believe there is grace, mercy, forgiveness, .. more than we deserve, expect or imagine. But eventually if we don't repent...

Believers are promised a rest in the promised land (Heaven)

Heb 4:1; Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.

But it's possible to come up short of this promise.
Some people believe Jesus did it all. They believe when Jesus said "it is finished" that was the end of the story, but that's not what the Bible says.

Heb 4:3; For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said,
“As I swore in My wrath, They shall not enter My rest,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Although Jesus's works were finished, they still couldn't enter... why?
Heb 4:6; Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,

Because of disobedience.

Heb 4:7; He again fixes a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.”

Some people in the world today, are just like Pharaoh, they keep resisting the Holy Spirit and hardening their hearts.

Acts 7:51; “You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.

If your conscience is still convicting you of any sin, and you still feel conviction... then you need to listen and stop now. Eventually your conscience can become seared over.

1Tim 4:1; But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
1Tim 4:2; by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,

Some people quit listening to their conscience, they no longer listen the Holy Spirit.
If it's sexual sin, and sexual addition, you need to be very very careful.

1Tim 1:19; keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith.

Some people are rejecting God because of this, and don't even know it.

1Thes 4:3; For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality;
1Thes 4:4; that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor,
1Thes 4:5; not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God;
1Thes 4:7; For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification.
1Thes 4:8; So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you.

If you're having thoughts of adultery and fornication, and looking at things with your eyes, and doing things with your hands... this is what Jesus says..

Matt 5:28; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matt 5:29; “If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt 5:30; “If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.

Heb 10:26; For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

What is willful sin? What is stumbling?

Prov 24:16; For a righteous man falls seven times, and rises again, But the wicked stumble in time of calamity.

A lot of this has to do with "practicing" and premeditation.

If I'm hammering a nail in the wall, and I accidentally hit my thumb with the hammer, I could say a curse word.
I wasn't planning on saying it, it just came out unexpectedly. I believe God forgives those kinds of sins. This is stumbling.

If I'm in an illicit sexual relationship (fornication, adultery, homosexuality, etc..) I probably did it yesterday, I probably did it today, and I know I'll probably do it tomorrow, and the day after that.
Now I've crossed over into practicing sin. I'm doing it over and over again. In fact, I'm planning on doing it again in the future. Planning sin, is premeditating sin.

James 1:13; Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
James 1:14; But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
James 1:15; Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
James 1:16; Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.

Temptation is not the same as sin. You may be tempted to look at something you shouldn't look at. But if you don't actually look at it, you haven't committed that sin at least.
I believe we can even be forgiven of sins like adultery, fornication, pornography that we have been doing for a long time... but eventually you have to repent.
The longer you do something, the more it becomes a habit, the harder it is to stop. The Holy Spirit can help you if you listen.

If you don't stop, you haven't repented.
If you are doing a sin, and ask for forgiveness, and sin again, and ask for forgiveness again... and you keep doing this for years and years.
You haven't ever repented. Eventually you have to stop.

Wow. A lot of the stuff the people are saying in here, I would hate someone who struggles with depression to listen to anything that is sitting here by most people, not everybody. It really irks me to see how people are using scripture and acting holier than thou like they have it all together condemning people for this and that and the other saying that they can never be saved again if they willfully sin or whatever. I’m not gonna go on and on and try to pinpoint different texts that you all have said but I’ve read a lot of them and this is what I’m seeing. I struggle with depression. I am a Christian. That depression sometimes turns into anger and yes I sin. Sometimes I willfully sin because I get so upset. Yes at the same time I’m definitely very much convicted and a bothers me. But yes I sometimes do it again, sometimes I do it again sometimes I don’t. What I hear some of the stuff that you people are saying, trying to tell me that since I sometimes willfully sin that I am bound to hell it’s pretty much the gist of what a lot of you were saying. Stop using scripture and condemning people, you may not even realize you’re doing it, you may try to say it in a somewhat nice way, but you are truly condemning and putting people down and using scripture to do it which makes me sick. I would hate for any of you, I’m sorry not all of you but most of you to have a conversation and I try to counsel somebody who struggles with depression. Depression is a real thing that affects thousands or even millions of Christians out there and it is not fun. It is a day today struggle with sin and purity and because it’s a mental disorder in the brain sometimes we can’t help it or sometimes we lose our way. And I sit here and believe some of the condemnation I’m hearing from you people it’s just sickening. I’m sorry this really makes me upset. I do love Jesus I want to be a better person I do strive to be but I fall. And in the midst of me falling I have willfully sinned sometimes, I am not going to lie about that I’m going to completely honest about that. Do I feel good about it, no I don’t but I’ve done it. I’m not gonna lie about it I’m not gonna lie to God about it. I do believe God is still with me because over and over again I still am convicted tremendously. I’m grateful for his faithfulness. But obviously a lot of you here love to tear people down to be this holier than thou Christian throwing 50 scripture to try to prove your point. That’s not the way to counsel people and please don’t ever counsel anybody who struggles with depression. If you’re gonna win anybody over to Christ stay away from people that are depressed because you’re gonna fail tremendously. Goodbye.

One more thing just for an example, if any of the stuff that you people are saying, if you ever try to say this stuff to someone who struggles with depression, major depression, let me tell you something, from experience that person would actually turn away from God even more. Keep your mouth shut if you’re talking to somebody who struggles with depression. You may really screw up someone’s life.

So according to most of you in here, I guess I’m already going to hell. Thanks guys I really appreciate it. How encouraging.

Ok, i hear you and do understand you. I am the Author of This Particular Thread. I am not or declared myself as A "Christian" for many might give me that label. Like the devil worshippers in "Antioch' who gave the followers of Jesus the title name "Christians" meaning at the coined time of the word created. meaning , "a new religious cult who are "Cannibals' who drink blood and eat flesh and practice incest and they are "Atheist" by following the Teachings of Jesus Christ.
Since then, there are many definitions of the word "Christian" and i am sure you have your definition too.
And out of 2.6 Billion christians in the world they have theirs too. and I do understand and i do not condemn any.

For me I have been "Born from ABOVE" like many others, not born again but "BORN FROM ABOVE"" Born of GOD" I have had a Heavenly Birth, Born of HIS SPIRIT and wash inThe Blood of The LAMB of GOD and have become "A NEW "CREATURE" in "GOD", And My Citizenship is in HEAVEN, For I am a "Pilgrim" only passing through this corrupted and Temporal World that my FATHER will one day DESTROY every thing that has been "Created' on Earth and HEAVEN that can be shaken and everything both Invisible and visible. Space, time, Sun, Moon, and all of The STARS that exist....He will roll it all away as if it was a scroll. When it has done and finish its purpose.

Now He has A BOOK written that has describe these events. this Book is only written for "THE ELECT" of GOD to understand "The CHOSEN FEW" and we are Commanded to walk in "SANCTIFICATION & HOLINESS" And Our Father who is in HEAVEN has made this POSSIBLE for He has given us a "ADVOCATE" The PARACLETE to walk beside us and to EMPOWER us in HIS WAYS. For without that power which is "pneumatic" we could not have The "ABILITY" to do what He has Commanded us to do. And when we sin and practice such ways it "Contaminate us. and pollutes our soul and breaks that connecting fellowship that many of us have with The SON and The Father. And we are "FEW" in numbers. And some belongs to the group that calls themselves "Christians". And among those Christians there are only a "FEW" who has been "Chosen by GOD". And yes we all suffer, for we are called to suffer. and bare our Cross, and some are called to die violent deaths. We are call to be a "WITNESS" [Martyr's]. and to LOVE JESUS and By Loving Jesus The FATHER WILL LOVE us too. For He has so Ordain it to be. And there is only one way to get to the Father for Jesus Christ is "THE WAY" and The only way you can get to the SON The FATHER has to DRAW you to The SON then the SON will REVEAL Whom He Pleases to The FATHER.


Do we suffer yes, do we rejoice in our suffering yes. For our suffering is more precious than "Silver and GOLD"

(2 Corinthians 4)KJV
"But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh".

Note: if you keep sinning and you are a Child of GOD he will whip that sin out of you! He is going to put that "WHIP" on you and when he gets through, you are going to think "the Devil" is "Choir Boy" compared to GOD the FATHER. And you cannot called the police on HIM!

God Disciplines His Sons (Hebrews 12)
4Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
5And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and SCOURGETH every son whom he receiveth.
7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

He will whip hell right out of you! Because he does not want you to be condemn with the World! And he is not going to shed a tear. And if he happens to kill you, He can bring you back! and repeated just in case you didn't get the message the 1st time.

Wow man, thanks for that book you sent me. My point exactly, you really have no clue. You may have a lot of biblical knowledge but you sure as heck have no idea how to talk to people with depression. Your reply pretty much had nothing to do with depression maybe a small teeny bit, I don’t know what the heck you were trying to convey with all the rambling on. Scripture after scripture there. I believe in at all but it’s people like you that drive me nuts in the so-called Christians or so-called believers are so call whenever you wanna call it. Geez man, it seems like there’s a bunch of Pharisees on this website. I’m getting the heck out of this place. All I wanted to do was try to find some people that can shed some encouragement or some light on the issue of depression, Unfortunately I just get a bunch of Pharisees preaching away. I know the Scriptures I’ve read them several times I continue to read them. But just stating scripture after scripture after scripture with some long extended explanation doesn’t do jack. Gosh, no wonder churches these days are losing people left and right. Thanks man, I look forward to getting whipped. Good gracious!! Hey listen, I don’t wish any ill will on you or anything. I wish all God’s blessings on you but let me tell you something, please go talk to a pastor or somebody and learn how to talk to people with mental illness because you really have no clue and a lot of people on here don’t. A lot of people within the church have no freaking clue! There is a right way and a wrong way to spread the gospel to people. And every person is different. You can’t say the stuff that you’re saying to someone who struggles with mental illness and depression. I’m just telling you that right now straight up. Maybe the stuff you’re saying would be more useful for other people but sure as heck not for someone with mental illness. Please do not reply back with some long book tell me I’m going to get whipped or go to hell or this that and the other blah blah blah blah blah. I used to do exactly what you did. Whenever I came across someone struggling with a certain sin or whatever, all I would do is sit there and throw scriptures at them and try to dissect it, probably condemning him without even realizing I was doing that which a lot of people on this website are doing. Then I realize that was the wrong way of doing things because I realize I was making that person feel worse. Again in regards to spreading the good news, there is a right way and a wrong way to do it, and there are certain people that you do it differently than others. I can see that mental illness is not a good topic for you to start preaching or spreading the gospel to so please just reach out to other people that don’t struggle with that. It’s OK, I think God puts certain people in our lives to minister to that he knows that we can minister to effectively and right. There are certain people in life that I know I could not minister to because the wrong things will come out so I focus on certain types of people that God puts in my path that I know I can relate to and spread the good news to. Or, I just listen and try to meet that person where they’re at instead of me preaching and throwing a bunch of scriptures at them. Sometimes just listening and being there for that person is more than constant words and preaching.

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Wow man, thanks for that book you sent me. My point exactly, you really have no clue. You may have a lot of biblical knowledge but you sure as heck have no idea how to talk to people with depression. Your reply pretty much had nothing to do with depression maybe a small teeny bit, I don’t know what the heck you were trying to convey with all the rambling on. Scripture after scripture there. I believe in at all but it’s people like you that drive me nuts in the so-called Christians or so-called believers are so call whenever you wanna call it. Geez man, it seems like there’s a bunch of Pharisees on this website. I’m getting the heck out of this place. All I wanted to do was try to find some people that can shed some encouragement or some light on the issue of depression, Unfortunately I just get a bunch of Pharisees preaching away. I know the Scriptures I’ve read them several times I continue to read them. But just stating scripture after scripture after scripture with some long extended explanation doesn’t do jack. Gosh, no wonder churches these days are losing people left and right. Thanks man, I look forward to getting whipped. Good gracious!! Hey listen, I don’t wish any ill will on you or anything. I wish all God’s blessings on you but let me tell you something, please go talk to a pastor or somebody and learn how to talk to people with mental illness because you really have no clue and a lot of people on here don’t. A lot of people within the church have no freaking clue! There is a right way and a wrong way to spread the gospel to people. And every person is different. You can’t say the stuff that you’re saying to someone who struggles with mental illness and depression. I’m just telling you that right now straight up. Maybe the stuff you’re saying would be more useful for other people but sure as heck not for someone with mental illness. Please do not reply back with some long book tell me I’m going to get whipped or go to hell or this that and the other blah blah blah blah blah. I used to do exactly what you did. Whenever I came across someone struggling with a certain sin or whatever, all I would do is sit there and throw scriptures at them and try to dissect it, probably condemning him without even realizing I was doing that which a lot of people on this website are doing. Then I realize that was the wrong way of doing things because I realize I was making that person feel worse. Again in regards to spreading the good news, there is a right way and a wrong way to do it, and there are certain people that you do it differently than others. I can see that mental illness is not a good topic for you to start preaching or spreading the gospel to so please just reach out to other people that don’t struggle with that. It’s OK, I think God puts certain people in our lives to minister to that he knows that we can minister to effectively and right. There are certain people in life that I know I could not minister to because the wrong things will come out so I focus on certain types of people that God puts in my path that I know I can relate to and spread the good news to. Or, I just listen and try to meet that person where they’re at instead of me preaching and throwing a bunch of scriptures at them. Sometimes just listening and being there for that person is more than constant words and preaching.

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You funny, i did not say you was going to hell. I said if you are a child of GOD and keep sining GOD your Father is going to tap that Hiney, and put you on the right track, the Path, so you will not go to Hell. GOD only whips the ones He LOVE! And he knows how to Tap that "HINEY" to straighten you out!
To make you see the LIGHT!

And when "GOD" starts, whipping that mind, and the only thing you can say Have mercy LORD, Please have mercy, I sorry what ever i done, and ain't going to do it no more. When you go to bed at night you wish it was day, and day time you wish it was night. Have you ever wrap up in The Fetal position. When GOD start tapping that Hiney, pills ain't going to help. And prayer either, You might have to repent. alright. that means fly right. And if you messing around with those females. I know you got problem, If you are or had been, When he gets through with you, You will be glad to be "Eunuch". talking about me quoting scripture, When GOD gets through with you, you might turn into a "AUGUSTINIAN MONK"!

Ok this is going nowhere. I get the impression, I could be wrong, you’re talking to me like I’m a new Believer. I gave my life to Christ along time ago. I am a Christian who struggles with depression, that is all I am talking about. I’m not talking about whatever else you’re talking about. And yes, God can still use medicine to help people. I have to completely disagree with you on that when you said pills won’t work, If I’m reading your comment right. Now I agree that pills don’t work for everybody and I do believe that a lot of doctors out there over prescribe people or prescribe people drugs they don’t need it but there are people out there that do need drugs depending on their illness and I do believe God uses prescription medicine to help people. God created medicine to. I’m not saying that pills are going to give salvation or forgive sins but I’m just saying that pills do help people with certain illnesses and God uses those medicines as well as other ways. By the way, I gave my life to Christ a long time ago. I’ve already seen the light, I know how to confess my sins. I’m a child of God who struggles with depression and relies on His strength to help me every day. That’s it that’s all and then in the middle of it all sin does happen to peak its head, I’m not perfect. That’s it that’s all that’s all I’m trying to say. And I’m just going to end it there. Again this conversation is going nowhere, I realize you mean well but I’m sorry, I don’t necessarily agree with the way that you are talking or reaching out to people. I’m definitely gonna leave this website because I don’t feel like dealing and talking to Pharisees anymore. Goodbye.

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Ok this is going nowhere. I get the impression, I could be wrong, you’re talking to me like I’m a new Believer. I gave my life to Christ along time ago. I am a Christian who struggles with depression, that is all I am talking about. I’m not talking about whatever else you’re talking about. And yes, God can still use medicine to help people. I have to completely disagree with you on that when you said pills won’t work, If I’m reading your comment right. Now I agree that pills don’t work for everybody and I do believe that a lot of doctors out there over prescribe people or prescribe people drugs they don’t need it but there are people out there that do need drugs depending on their illness and I do believe God uses prescription medicine to help people. God created medicine to. I’m not saying that pills are going to give salvation or forgive sins but I’m just saying that pills do help people with certain illnesses and God uses those medicines as well as other ways. By the way, I gave my life to Christ a long time ago. I’ve already seen the light, I know how to confess my sins. I’m a child of God who struggles with depression and relies on His strength to help me every day. That’s it that’s all and then in the middle of it all sin does happen to peak its head, I’m not perfect. That’s it that’s all that’s all I’m trying to say. And I’m just going to end it there. Again this conversation is going nowhere, I realize you mean well but I’m sorry, I don’t necessarily agree with the way that you are talking or reaching out to people. I’m definitely gonna leave this website because I don’t feel like dealing and talking to Pharisees anymore. Goodbye.

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No i don't think you are getting me, on this one, No i am no way addressing you as a new convert. But i was addressing you as a person, just a real person. And trying to break the ice. for i do know the average christian do have a problem with Theologians. My field of study is "Theology Proper" For I am Reformed , meaning pointing to The Reformers. The Pill thing sorry about that, but you did take it the wrong way, And I have nothing against medical Science. My wife retired Doctor, one of My Daughters is OB-GYN Doctor and some of our closes friends are also medical doctors including " a head "Psychiatrist".
I ask for you forgiveness for my stupidity.

There are many here on TalkJESUS are much more kinder that i. And i am sure if you are patience enough you can find some comfort and understanding, and fellowship that might help.

Shalom

PloughBoy said:

Ok, i hear you and do understand you. I am the Author of This Particular Thread. I am not or declared myself as A "Christian" for many might give me that label. Like the devil worshippers in "Antioch' who gave the followers of Jesus the title name "Christians" meaning at the coined time of the word created. meaning , "a new religious cult who are "Cannibals' who drink blood and eat flesh and practice incest and they are "Atheist" by following the Teachings of Jesus Christ.
Since then, there are many definitions of the word "Christian" and i am sure you have your definition too.
And out of 2.6 Billion christians in the world they have theirs too. and I do understand and i do not condemn any.

For me I have been "Born from ABOVE" like many others, not born again but "BORN FROM ABOVE"" Born of GOD" I have had a Heavenly Birth, Born of HIS SPIRIT and wash inThe Blood of The LAMB of GOD and have become "A NEW "CREATURE" in "GOD", And My Citizenship is in HEAVEN, For I am a "Pilgrim" only passing through this corrupted and Temporal World that my FATHER will one day DESTROY every thing that has been "Created' on Earth and HEAVEN that can be shaken and everything both Invisible and visible. Space, time, Sun, Moon, and all of The STARS that exist....He will roll it all away as if it was a scroll. When it has done and finish its purpose.

Now He has A BOOK written that has describe these events. this Book is only written for "THE ELECT" of GOD to understand "The CHOSEN FEW" and we are Commanded to walk in "SANCTIFICATION & HOLINESS" And Our Father who is in HEAVEN has made this POSSIBLE for He has given us a "ADVOCATE" The PARACLETE to walk beside us and to EMPOWER us in HIS WAYS. For without that power which is "pneumatic" we could not have The "ABILITY" to do what He has Commanded us to do. And when we sin and practice such ways it "Contaminate us. and pollutes our soul and breaks that connecting fellowship that many of us have with The SON and The Father. And we are "FEW" in numbers. And some belongs to the group that calls themselves "Christians". And among those Christians there are only a "FEW" who has been "Chosen by GOD". And yes we all suffer, for we are called to suffer. and bare our Cross, and some are called to die violent deaths. We are call to be a "WITNESS" [Martyr's]. and to LOVE JESUS and By Loving Jesus The FATHER WILL LOVE us too. For He has so Ordain it to be. And there is only one way to get to the Father for Jesus Christ is "THE WAY" and The only way you can get to the SON The FATHER has to DRAW you to The SON then the SON will REVEAL Whom He Pleases to The FATHER.


Do we suffer yes, do we rejoice in our suffering yes. For our suffering is more precious than "Silver and GOLD"

(2 Corinthians 4)KJV
"But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh".

Note: if you keep sinning and you are a Child of GOD he will whip that sin out of you! He is going to put that "WHIP" on you and when he gets through, you are going to think "the Devil" is "Choir Boy" compared to GOD the FATHER. And you cannot called the police on HIM!

God Disciplines His Sons (Hebrews 12)
4Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
5And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and SCOURGETH every son whom he receiveth.
7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

He will whip hell right out of you! Because he does not want you to be condemn with the World! And he is not going to shed a tear. And if he happens to kill you, He can bring you back! and repeated just in case you didn't get the message the 1st time.

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I was just reminded of the above , that I am chosen and am to do as he says, yes punishment was involved. We are indeed the very few. Misunderstood and treated very badly by mankind from childhood. What i am commanded to do the world would not understand, so I am not even going to bother sharing it.