Universalism

B-A-C · Mar 8, 2021

The word "Universalism" mean different things to different people in different contexts.

But what I'm speaking of here, is the idea that everyone is saved. No one goes to hell.
I don't believe this myself, but we do have some here on TalkJesus that do. This is targeted towards that belief.
There are a number of churches that follow this concept, probably the largest is the Unitarian Universalist church.
These people believe everyone is saved, even if they don't believe in Jesus, even if they are a homosexual, child molesting Satanist, they are still saved.

First we should look at some of the scriptures they use to propagate this.

1Jn 2:2; and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

John 3:17; "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

John 1:29; The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

1Cor 15:28; When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

1Tim 4:10; For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

There are others, but these are the ones that generally come up first.
But the idea is, Jesus died for the "whole" world, He died for "all sinners". He died while we were still sinners for us.
So then, if Jesus died for everyone, why isn't everyone saved?

... to be continued ...

B-A-C · Oct 22, 2021

But of course the Bible teaches that not everyone will be saved, in fact several scriptures seem to indicate that the majority will not be saved.
In fact not even everyone who thinks they are a Christian will be saved.

Matt 7:21; “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’
Matt 7:23; And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

Jesus said "many" will find the way to destruction", and "few" will find (eternal) life.

Matt 7:13; “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
Matt 7:14; For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

In fact someone asked Jesus are just a few being saved? This was his answer.

Luke 13:23; And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them,
Luke 13:24; “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Now we can put the word "few" into some perspective here, Rev 7:9; says there will be a great multitude of people in heaven. But if the population of the earth is 8 billion, and say for sake of argument only 10% get saved, that's still 800 million people.

Rev 20:15; And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

If your name isn't in the book of life, into the fire you go.

Matt 3:10; The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

If you don't bear good fruit, into the fire you go.

Rev 21:8; But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

If you're cowardly, unbelieving, a murderer, a sorcerer (mind altering drug user), liar, or immoral, into the fire you go.

John 3:3; Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
John 3:5; Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

If you're not born again, you're not entering the kingdom of heaven.

Rom 2:12; When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God’s written law. And the Jews, who do have God’s law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it.
Rom 2:13; For merely listening to the law doesn’t make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in his sight.
Rom 2:14; Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it.
Rom 2:15; They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.
Rom 2:16; And this is the message I proclaim—that the day is coming when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge everyone’s secret life.

If you're not obeying the commandments, you will still be judged and destroyed.

Luke 13:3; Not at all! And you will perish, too, unless you repent of your sins and turn to God.
Luke 13:5; No, and I tell you again that unless you repent, you will perish, too.”

No repentance? You aren't saved.

John 5:28; Don’t be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God’s Son,
John 5:29; and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment.

Everyone rises again, but location is everything. Some will have eternal life in the kingdom of heaven, and some will have eternal life (after they are judged) in the lake of fire.

PloughBoy · Oct 22, 2021

Yes, i know a few of them too. And my wife brags about her friend, I used to think she was evangelizing them, "The Muslim, The Universalism, The Word of Faith", The Warlocks, The Witches, The Wicca, Worshipping and burning candles with hoods on, Secret Society. Pictures of Greek GODS in the house. Secret Society, Bible in the house replace Jesus name with Greek GODDESSES and GREEK GODS. printed Bibles and change Jesus name with Greek God names in Christian Music, And pastors members of these "Societies" in Broad openness. I would come home, and say something is not right in this house. Something ain't right. And sometimes in the middle of the night, i would get up out of the bed and put my clothes on and walk out. And these are the up standing citizens in the community. Highly regarded in the churches. ( you remember a few years ago, They Locked up the Major of Detroit, and a few years before that they Locked up The Chief of The Police Department. Outstanding Community Leaders highly regarded in GOOD Standing in the Leading Churches. And if you saw them, they looked impeccable, Female School Principles driving "Lamborghini's" teaching Sunday School. They locked up a lot of them, The Nubian Queen, club. You better not say nothing either, Lawyers, Judges, High ranking Police officers, They will lock up their own husbands, for that dollar bill.

And all of them think they are going to Heaven.

Preacher too

Preacher going to tell me, I am suppose to treat my wife like she is a QUEEN. I am washing dishes, Mopping and shining floors, Cleaning carpets on my knees. I told him to his face. If I wanted Queen, I would have went to "England" and married one, When I got married, I wanted a "wife" not a Queen. And if I am, suppose to treat her like a Queen, Where is my Honor as A KING!

Note: that did not go over to well. You know me. He is a member of a Greek "Secret Society" too!

Worshipping Greek GODS and wearing black hoods, burning Candles. Those christians give me a bad rap.

if you only knew. the devil is real, and his greatest of skills is deception and appears as a Angel Light. But in the dark secret corners of deceptions does his light shines the brightest.

Thanks for reminding me. Where i am.

Gregoryp · Oct 22, 2021

B-A-C said:
But of course the Bible teaches that not everyone will be saved, in fact several scriptures seem to indicate that the majority will not be saved.
In fact not even everyone who thinks they are a Christian will be saved.

Matt 7:21; “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’
Matt 7:23; And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

Jesus said "many" will find the way to destruction", and "few" will find (eternal) life.

Matt 7:13; “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
Matt 7:14; For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

In fact someone asked Jesus are just a few being saved? This was his answer.

Luke 13:23; And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them,
Luke 13:24; “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Now we can put the word "few" into some perspective here, Rev 7:9; says there will be a great multitude of people in heaven. But if the population of the earth is 8 billion, and say for sake of argument only 10% get saved, that's still 800 million people.

Rev 20:15; And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

If your name isn't in the book of life, into the fire you go.

Matt 3:10; The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

If you don't bear good fruit, into the fire you go.

Rev 21:8; But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

If you're cowardly, unbelieving, a murderer, a sorcerer (mind altering drug user), liar, or immoral, into the fire you go.

John 3:3; Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
John 3:5; Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

If you're not born again, you're not entering the kingdom of heaven.

Rom 2:12; When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God’s written law. And the Jews, who do have God’s law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it.
Rom 2:13; For merely listening to the law doesn’t make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us right in his sight.
Rom 2:14; Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it.
Rom 2:15; They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.
Rom 2:16; And this is the message I proclaim—that the day is coming when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge everyone’s secret life.

If you're not obeying the commandments, you will still be judged and destroyed.

Luke 13:3; Not at all! And you will perish, too, unless you repent of your sins and turn to God.
Luke 13:5; No, and I tell you again that unless you repent, you will perish, too.”

No repentance? You aren't saved.

John 5:28; Don’t be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God’s Son,
John 5:29; and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment.

Everyone rises again, but location is everything. Some will have eternal life in the kingdom of heaven, and some will have eternal life (after they are judged) in the lake of fire.

To put it in plain worldy language so anyone can understand, if you have memrobilia of chevrolet, GM posters, a GM keyring, a GM T shirt which you wear proudly, then you go and buy a Ford F150 pickup, then your not a GM fan, period. And dont even consider being a member of the GM fan club or come to there monthly get together, they will throw you out!

PloughBoy · Oct 22, 2021

Most likely those who favor "universalism" have a feeling they are going to Hell, And they are trying to encourage themselves that they are not. "for everyone knows we are bad". And universalism worshippers have not found That 'Blessed Hope' yet. to give them "The Blessed Assurance". So let us open the gate to the Pearly Gates for everybody and by doing that for now, we know we are getting in. That is Called "Worldly Christian Psychology". in the minds of "Universalism" a Temporarily fix., While i enjoy The Pleasures of The World.

But, when The Rooster comes Home to roost, "Antinomianism " ain't going to work.

B-A-C · Oct 22, 2021

PloughBoy said:
"Antinomianism " ain't going to work.

Typically Antimonianists separate themselves from Universalists.
Antimonians believe that you at least have to "believe in Jesus". You just don't have to obey any moral laws.
Universalists believe it doesn't matter if you believe in Jesus, you are saved anyway.

Samson2020 · Nov 4, 2021

Rom 8:29 For whom He(God) did foreknow, He(God) also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He(Jesus) might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30- Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified, He also glorified.

Tell me you who despise the greatness of the Fathers love to all his creation,

WHOM ,AMONG ALL HUMANITY, DID GOD NOT FOREKNOW BEFORE HE PLACED THEIR SPIRIT IN A BODY???

The greatest problem for you both is that you cannot see past the first dispensation, which only produces the first batch of seed from the original perfected seed (Jesus). Maybe someday your eyes will be opened to this most glorious plan for mankind. It is obvious that for now it is hidden.

Rev 3:14-18 would be my recommendation to the both of you.

Rev 3:14..........These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Jesus was and is the beginning of the creation of spiritual Sons, a New Race of Immortal beings that will, and in His case, do possess all the characteristics of God His Father and ours..

We all know that Jesus was and is the first and only begotten from among the dead to this day. The rest are asleep, or still alive and maturing.
God did not have Jesus go through what He put Him through to just get a single, tiny harvest of spiritual sons from this dispensation. There are more dispensations which will produce more
sons. The production of children who are the express image of their Father was and always will be the plan that God had before the world was created.
And PS He knew us ALL as we ALL came out from Him.
Rom 11:36 For OF HIM.......... ARE ALL THINGS............

There may be a lot of alterior Universalism things taught, but if so, it is only to cloud the magnificent truth of God.
He will reconcile ALL things back to Himself. Phl 3:21 and Col 1:20.

PloughBoy · Nov 4, 2021

B-A-C said:
Typically Antimonianists separate themselves from Universalists.
Antimonians believe that you at least have to "believe in Jesus". You just don't have to obey any moral laws.
Universalists believe it doesn't matter if you believe in Jesus, you are saved anyway.

Correction: What the word , "Antinomianism" means, you are in error. and by in error you "miss the mark" My target.
remember my field is "Theology Proper" and most of my terms is "THEO" centric. and not religion that claims it is "Theology"

The word antinomianism comes from two Greek words, anti, meaning "against"; and nomos, meaning "law." Antinomianism means “against the law.” Theologically, antinomianism is the belief that there are no moral laws God expects Christians to obey. Antinomianism takes a biblical teaching to an unbiblical conclusion. The biblical teaching is that Christians are not required to observe the Old Testament Law as a means of salvation. When Jesus Christ died on the cross, He fulfilled the Old Testament Law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15). The unbiblical conclusion is that there is no moral law God expects Christians to obey.

The apostle Paul dealt with the issue of antinomianism in Romans 6:1-2, “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?” The most frequent attack on the doctrine of salvation by grace alone is that it encourages sin. People may wonder, “If I am saved by grace and all my sins are forgiven, why not sin all I want?” That thinking is not the result of true conversion because true conversion yields a greater desire to obey, not a lesser one. God’s desire—and our desire when we are regenerated by His Spirit—is that we strive not to sin. Out of gratitude for His grace and forgiveness, we want to please Him. God has given us His infinitely gracious gift in salvation through Jesus (John 3:16; Romans 5:8). Our response is to consecrate our lives to Him out of love, worship, and gratitude for what He has done for us (Romans 12:1-2). Antinomianism is unbiblical in that it misapplies the meaning of God’s gracious favor.

And of course it goes deeper.
I hope you like that. when i 1st read your reply, i was not going to say nothing, but as normal my conscious came back and haunted me, it would not allow me peace. In order to edify you. only if you choose ,to let it edify you.

Br. Bear · Nov 5, 2021

PloughBoy said:
Correction: What the word , "Antinomianism" means, you are in error. and by in error you "miss the mark" My target.
remember my field is "Theology Proper" and most of my terms is "THEO" centric. and not religion that claims it is "Theology"

The word antinomianism comes from two Greek words, anti, meaning "against"; and nomos, meaning "law." Antinomianism means “against the law.” Theologically, antinomianism is the belief that there are no moral laws God expects Christians to obey. Antinomianism takes a biblical teaching to an unbiblical conclusion. The biblical teaching is that Christians are not required to observe the Old Testament Law as a means of salvation. When Jesus Christ died on the cross, He fulfilled the Old Testament Law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15). The unbiblical conclusion is that there is no moral law God expects Christians to obey.

The apostle Paul dealt with the issue of antinomianism in Romans 6:1-2, “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?” The most frequent attack on the doctrine of salvation by grace alone is that it encourages sin. People may wonder, “If I am saved by grace and all my sins are forgiven, why not sin all I want?” That thinking is not the result of true conversion because true conversion yields a greater desire to obey, not a lesser one. God’s desire—and our desire when we are regenerated by His Spirit—is that we strive not to sin. Out of gratitude for His grace and forgiveness, we want to please Him. God has given us His infinitely gracious gift in salvation through Jesus (John 3:16; Romans 5:8). Our response is to consecrate our lives to Him out of love, worship, and gratitude for what He has done for us (Romans 12:1-2). Antinomianism is unbiblical in that it misapplies the meaning of God’s gracious favor.

And of course it goes deeper.
I hope you like that. when i 1st read your reply, i was not going to say nothing, but as normal my conscious came back and haunted me, it would not allow me peace. In order to edify you. only if you choose ,to let it edify you.

@PloughBoy

Greetings,

please quote your source for the above 'article' or part thereof.
It is proper internet etiquette

If we don't quote, it is called plagiarism.

Bless you ....><>

PloughBoy · Nov 5, 2021

What is antinomianism? | GotQuestions.org

What is antinomianism (anti nomianism)? What do antinomians believe? If Christians are not under the Old Testament Law, what is to stop Christians from living however they want?

www.gotquestions.org

B-A-C · Nov 5, 2021

PloughBoy said:
Correction: What the word , "Antinomianism" means, you are in error. and by in error you "miss the mark" My target.
remember my field is "Theology Proper" and most of my terms is "THEO" centric. and not religion that claims it is "Theology"

If so, you aren't the only one here who has graduated from Bible College or Seminary.

anti = against, not for
monian = law, specifically moral law

antimonian = against the law.

Not necessarily against Jesus per se.

Some of us have theological degrees as well. Some of us have written papers as well. Some of us have even taught at Bible colleges.

Sin = 'miss the mark' specifically miss the center of the bullseye target.

Some of us own several theological dictionaries and expositories.

I doubt that makes us any better or smarter than anyone else. In fact it likely alters our perspective more.

Antinomianism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

PloughBoy · Nov 5, 2021

It is a dictionary word and a Bible terminology and a Bible encyclopedia word, with a host of avenue words branching from it. To many of Christians is very boring and too time consuming. And they are not going to travel those avenues and spend a couple of days learning Biblical meanings. Of one word. Unless they like such practices. Biblical relating words are “Infinte”. Worldly words are “Fast food” short sweet definition. And easy to digest. But biblical words take more than a life time to understand and consume. The Word of GOD is infinite.
That is why you can Preach one Biblical word for a whole year and never use the same Avenue. Then continue the next year and never repeat the same thing.

B-A-C · Nov 5, 2021

At the core of antinomianism, is the thought that we can't sin anymore.

Sin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They believe that basically we aren't under the law anymore ( Rom 6:14; Gal 2:21; for example )
and without the law, there is no sin. ( Rom 5:13; 1Cor 15:56; for example )

Interestingly enough, even Christians who are against Hamartiology ( Christian views on sin - Wikipedia ) will still tell you they sin sometimes.
Some Christians will say, I'm not under the law anymore. But I still sin. However the divine law is what determines what sin is.
So if you believe you aren't under the law anymore, there is no way you can sin.

Rom 5:13; Rom 3:20; Rom 7:8;

... because the law is what determines if something is a sin.

We started a thread on this about 7 years ago.

antimonianism

antimonianism - that's a long fancy word, what does it mean? This is from wikipedia Antinomianism in Christianity is the belief that under the gospel dispensation of grace, moral law is of no use or obligation because faith alone is sufficient for salvation. Antinomianism and the Protestant...

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MrBear · Nov 5, 2021

B-A-C said:
At the core of antinomianism, is the thought that we can't sin anymore

They believe that basically we aren't under the law anymore

praise the lord brother I run into so many people that believe the law doesn’t apply anymore and misinterpreted pauls epistles

I don’t hold it against them , a lot of it is how they were raised
We must love our fellow believers and I’m so glad to see your threads on this forum very informative

thos podcast is on a epistle of paul GALATIANS 3:19 we call “ the schoolmaster” I’m sure you have read it
It’s an interesting look at Paul’s writings and the keeping of the law

Keep up the great threads there are a few on here blessed with great writing skills I’m enjoying

SHALOM

Bethel · Nov 5, 2021

B-A-C said:
The word "Universalism" mean different things to different people in different contexts.

But what I'm speaking of here, is the idea that everyone is saved. No one goes to hell.
I don't believe this myself, but we do have some here on TalkJesus that do. This is targeted towards that belief.
There are a number of churches that follow this concept, probably the largest is the Unitarian Universalist church.
These people believe everyone is saved, even if they don't believe in Jesus, even if they are a homosexual, child molesting Satanist, they are still saved.

First we should look at some of the scriptures they use to propagate this.

1Jn 2:2; and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

John 3:17; "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

John 1:29; The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

1Cor 15:28; When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

1Tim 4:10; For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

There are others, but these are the ones that generally come up first.
But the idea is, Jesus died for the "whole" world, He died for "all sinners". He died while we were still sinners for us.
So then, if Jesus died for everyone, why isn't everyone saved?

... to be continued ...

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THe idea (theology) that teaches that everyone is saved is based on a misunderstanding of these verses.

2nd Corinthians 5:18-19

""""""And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation."""

Notice : God was in the world not counting people's sins against them........

So, a heretic twisted these verses and decided that God is not holding anyone's sins agains them, = all are forgiven of sin = the whole world. (Universalism).

But that's false. And the reason its false is because this verse has a Condition.....that must be met. ... Notice Paul says "reconciled US to Himself".....so, that is the context of..."not counting people's sins against them".

So, you have to become a part of the "US", for this verse to be speaking about you.

The "US", is the "born again".....only. As those are whom God does not charge sin and are reconciled to God. = The Born Again.

B-A-C · Nov 6, 2021

Bethel said:
So, you have to become a part of the "US", for this verse to be speaking about you.

I personally agree with this statement, but even if we go with the Universalist interpretation here...

2Cor 5:18; Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,
2Cor 5:19; namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

It's interesting there is another thread, iit talks about God so loved the "world". It seems the intention of that thread was to say "the entire world" (i.e. rock, plants, minerals, animals, fish, etc... )
But when you add the context of "whosoever" then it seems to be talking about people only.

If we look a 2Cor above, remember 2Cor starts off like this...

2Cor 1:1; Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God which is at Corinth with all the saints who are throughout Achaia:

This letter is to the church, the saints. So the "us" in 5:18 is "the church/the saints" (believers). Not the entire world.

But also we can look at the word "reconciled". This can taken a couple of ways.
I stole some money from you, say $100 dollars, and everyone knows I took it. I could pay you back the $100, and we would be "reconciled".
Now lets say you had a $300,000 Lamborghini, and I hit it with my car. I don't have $300,000 laying around, so Jesus pulls out His check-book and pays it for me.
Even though it wasn't me who paid you back, we are still reconciled.

Lets turn the tables a little here.
You molested my children and killed them and murdered my wife. There really isn't a way you could "pay me back".
So the police catch you, you are convicted and sentenced to death (injection, electrocution, gas chamber, firing squad). Now we are reconciled again.
In the old testament it was an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life.
God is going to throw the disobedient unbelievers into the Lake of Fire. So even though they don't get eternal life in heaven, they will still be reconciled to God.

PloughBoy · Nov 6, 2021

It is appointed for man once to die then the judgment.

12Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

14Do everything without grumbling or arguing, 15so that you may become blameless and pure, “children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation.” c Then you will shine among them like stars in the sky 16as you hold firmly to the word of life.

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