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God did not say He so love people that he gave HIS only begotten SON that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For the whole creation hopes for and expects the revelation of the sons of God.

Contemporary English Version
In fact, all creation is eagerly waiting for God to show who his children are.

Even The Sun and The Moon?
With GOD All things are possible.
He can make a Donkey speak Hebrew.
Yes. Jesus' work is to redeem the whole created order. It's very clear in Colossians 1. See how often creation and earth are mentioned here. He creates, sustains and reconciles the earth to himself.

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
 
2Pet 3:10; But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.
2Pet 3:11; Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
2Pet 3:12; looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat!
2Pet 3:13; But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

Matt 24:35; "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
Mark 13:31; "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
Luke 21:33; "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

The "world" does not get eternal life.
 
Yes. Jesus' work is to redeem the whole created order. It's very clear in Colossians 1. See how often creation and earth are mentioned here. He creates, sustains and reconciles the earth to himself.

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
So this is true: " Jesus the firstborn over all creation." But Jesus is not a "Creation" and neither is "Creation" "Born of GOD" , But we are. who have been "Born from Above" are "Born of GOD" For Jesus the Christ is The 1st Born of many brethren's. [He is not the 1st. to be raise from the grave.] " For He is The Resurrection"

For He is The 1st Begotten SON of GOD and We will come into The Full Adoption and Full Inheritance into the full RIGHTS of The Only Begotten SON of GOD. Born of GOD and not a Creation but a New Kind of CREATURE. The type of CREATURE That will be The "MANIFESTATION OF The GLORY of GOD" Through out "ETERNITY" Growing Brighter and Brighter every moment for the moments will never have an end, shining more and more
for we are will be "THE GLORIFICATION of GOD". That is"MANIFESTED". GOD's GLORY cannot be "Created" it is "MANIFESTED". [Indicative: we are "THE GLORIFICATION of GOD":pensive:

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
King James Bible
Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
NASB 1977
when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be MARVELED AT among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.

[And i can tell the way my brothers and sisters who are in Christ Jesus talk sometimes , they do not have a hint who we are, and what was accomplish in "The Salvation of GOD" and How GOD the Father is working in Christ. And it is written before their eyes and they are stumbling on 'trivial " religious matters and labeling it "Theology" instead of Plowing deep as if they were digging for Pure GOLD.]


I cannot explain it to you, But I can point you, in the direction who can. For human words cannot express this "TRUTH" to you.. And Jesus said: My Father is GREATER than I.

NASB 1977
“All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son, except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
Berean Study Bible
All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.”

Jus because you have been "Born again" does not mean you know "The FATHER!" for yet "Jesus, has Nor yet Become your LORD" Many might know Him as their Savior. But LORD, many have not arrive yet, If He is not Your LORD yet, He might be your Savior and you might know how to Quote The Words that the Father has said, does not mean you have met The FATHER....Do you think He is going to Reveal The Father before we become HIS Bond slave.

Maybe you do. maybe you do. Maybe you do. ok "Why call me "LORD, LORD" And you are not My "SLAVE".:pensive: Do You walk like you are my slave, Do you talk like you are my slave. and when people look at you, do you look, like you are my slave?

Now hold on, do not get mad with me. If i sound like a fool to you, ok, I understand. i do not blame you for thinking that way. But They thought Jesus was one too and crazy.:eyes::sob: He own brothers and sisters thought he was a nut, and he live with them. So may i ask, who do you sound like?
 
But Jesus is not a "Creation"
Rev 3:14 "...........These things saith the Amen, the true and faithful witness, the BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD........" These are red letter words in my KJV

you might wanna recheck your statement.
 
you might wanna recheck your statement.

John 1:1; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2; He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3; All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:14; And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Col 1:15; He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Col 1:16; For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
Col 1:17; He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

The human/flesh part of Jesus was created and had a beginning. The God part of Jesus always existed.

Gen 1:1; In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

John 17:24; "Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
 
Rev 3:14 "...........These things saith the Amen, the true and faithful witness, the BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD........" These are red letter words in my KJV

you might wanna recheck your statement.
I don't think so i have most likely read it over 1000 times in my life time. It is not going to change "Jesus Christ" is not a "creation" the Son of GOD is not a "creation". He was "Joshua" before HE enter HIS body. His name was "Emmanuel before the word existed, on the planet earth... He was A SON, before the Human word son existed. "For HE is THE VERY "WORD" of GOD, And always been with GOD the FATHER, TO DENY this, And to proclaim That The SON of GOD was Created BY GOD the FATHER is to deny That "GOD" exists. This is going through the door to have grounds to deny "The Triune GOD". And if any Deny the SON the Son will deny you before HIS Father. And No one knows the SON but The Father. If you do not know The SON, how can any Profess who the SON is, for that is JESUS, and no one knows who He is, But the Father. Then He went further, And No one knows Who The Father is, But The SON, and the only way a person can know who The Father is, Jesus have to reveal Him, And JESUS do not reveal Him to everybody, But whom HE chooses. So it is up to Jesus and not us.

We can know The "Holy Ghost" and not know JESUS, you can know "Jesus" and not know The FATHER. And we can quote all the "Translations" we want. And perform all of the "EISEGESIS" we want. It is Only "ONE WAY" and it is not called "Christianity" it is called
"THE WAY". One way to get there to The FATHER. And They Both will come in and sat down and reveal something about "The SALVATION STORY". There cannot be a "GOD" without "THE WORD" and There Cannot be a communication line, Between "GOD" and Human unless an "Conversion" in The HUMAN has taken Place, then it is Up to The Power source to Transmit Messages. And all do not get the same level of messages. And the "HOLY SCRIPTURE" testifies to this "TRUTH".

I am not confused about nothing in Christ. I have no paradoxes, I have no question for "Theologians", "Textual Critics", concerning "JESUS", The HOLY GHOST or GOD the FATHER. The Millennium the 1000 reign, The great tribulation, Heaven, the Angels, The Adversary, the destruction of All creation,
Eternity, The Glorified Body, The Manuscripts, Death, Sleep, Resurrection, Hell, Paradise, hades, grave, The book of Remembrance., The Bema Seat, The Great White Throne Judgment, I have no questions, neither I HAVE I wonders. "
I got JESUS" and He has reveal to me The FATHER!" MY
search is over in that category." Now can all creatures understand that? Answer: No. Can i prove it? Answer: No. End of Story.

And I just read my BIBLE and no church, and no corrupted human being pastor or Sunday school , bible class teacher ever taught me any thing, And i do not know what a "HAL Lindsey" is and all such characters. I wouldn't waste time on such characters. I waste of time to read any thing about the things to come. But Autobiography, and biography's i do like, on The Reformed side. and the "BIBLE" which is a great "Autobiography" and "Biography".

It is all reveal in "Jesus Christ" if he show it to you. And HE will not show a lot of things to those who are even in "CHRIST". to worldly maybe and many in christ love the things in this world. I am not saying just because you are worldly you can lose your "Salvation". No i am not saying that. Just wondering around like a lost sheep. thats all, a hardheaded sheep. Going from here to there, trying to find a barn, and new shepherd to fed you. That's all. Read your Bible you in there. "where your treasure is there will be your heart also" Where is your treasure?


Summary
Jesus has to reveal Him. And GOD the Father. Is The Father and it is not up to the person But The SON, it is not up to the person. But we are to search. And the last person you want to receive who the Father is, is from a man or woman, a Corrupted Mortal who has a "Desperately Wicked Heart" I cannot tell you who JESUS is nor Can I reveal who the FATHER is. That information comes from "The Triune GOD" Through a direct connection.

And it is available to whom He chooses. And the only thing it might cost you, It will cost you, your life. So before you search, "Count the Cost"
 
I'm going to assume that you know that your spirit came out from God the Father? I will not assume that you understand that the spirit of Jesus also came out from the Father.
We all came from the same region of God but were only feminine in nature, spiritually speaking, until after the New Creation is spiritually born into a Son/sons. This process occurred to
Jesus at the river Jordan, when JTB called Him the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world.
God did not sacrifice Himself, He sacrificed His only Son.
Just as He had asked of Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. Abraham surely would have sacrificed Himself , but to ask him to kill his only son? What more faith did abraham show in giving up what he loved more dearly than himself?
It is more to sacrifice what you love than to sacrifice ones self in proving your love to those whom the sacrifice is for.
We understand the spiritual by the natural, so where in our afore mentioned Abraham, Isaac did God ask for Abrahams life? In the exact same circumstances God showed His intent in that
He would sacrifice His only Son of the flesh for us.
Jesus has no beginning or ending, as He, along with all spirits of men, were in the Father to begin with. It is their transformation into sons that brings them into independent, life eternal.
Just as Jesus mentioned that as the Father hath life in Himself; so also has He given to the Son to have life in Himself;

I'm probably wasting my time here but we are called His brethren many many times and this is because we all came from the same rib(region) of God, as Eve was from Adam. Again understanding the spiritual from the natural.

Hebrews 2:7 Thou (God) madest Him(Jesus) a little lower than the angels, thou(God) crownedest him with glory and honor and didst set Him over the WORK OF THY HANDS: Thou(God)
hast put all things in subjection under His feet
.................God the Father excluded.

He continually calls God His Father and Our Father, for good reason as God is the Father of all spirits including Jesus'
There is no conspiracy theory where Jesus' identity is hidden from mankind and He is really His own Father, and God is Jesus in man form. These are ludicrous fairy tales concocted
by the mother of all harlo@s, and continually being fed as spiritual reality to unsuspecting babes.


This man was declared to be the resurrection because He was the only perfected spiritual Son that fell into the ground and died and now is bringing forth much fruit in the way of
His overcoming Spirit being sent into our hearts crying Abba Father. Creating more overcoming spirits that are New Creatures that have never existed, but their lineage on both sides
traces back to the Father thus they have no beginning or ending just as God Himself.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as ALSO I OVERCAME, and am set down with my Father in His throne.
If He were God in the flesh why would He need to overcome in order to sit in the throne with His Father?


1 Jo 5:4 "Whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world......." Rev 3:21
1Jo 5:5 "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God."
 
I'm going to assume that you know that your spirit came out from God the Father? I will not assume that you understand that the spirit of Jesus also came out from the Father.
We all came from the same region of God but were only feminine in nature, spiritually speaking, until after the New Creation is spiritually born into a Son/sons. This process occurred to
Jesus at the river Jordan, when JTB called Him the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world.
God did not sacrifice Himself, He sacrificed His only Son.
Just as He had asked of Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. Abraham surely would have sacrificed Himself , but to ask him to kill his only son? What more faith did abraham show in giving up what he loved more dearly than himself?
It is more to sacrifice what you love than to sacrifice ones self in proving your love to those whom the sacrifice is for.
We understand the spiritual by the natural, so where in our afore mentioned Abraham, Isaac did God ask for Abrahams life? In the exact same circumstances God showed His intent in that
He would sacrifice His only Son of the flesh for us.
Jesus has no beginning or ending, as He, along with all spirits of men, were in the Father to begin with. It is their transformation into sons that brings them into independent, life eternal.
Just as Jesus mentioned that as the Father hath life in Himself; so also has He given to the Son to have life in Himself;

I'm probably wasting my time here but we are called His brethren many many times and this is because we all came from the same rib(region) of God, as Eve was from Adam. Again understanding the spiritual from the natural.

Hebrews 2:7 Thou (God) madest Him(Jesus) a little lower than the angels, thou(God) crownedest him with glory and honor and didst set Him over the WORK OF THY HANDS: Thou(God)
hast put all things in subjection under His feet
.................God the Father excluded.

He continually calls God His Father and Our Father, for good reason as God is the Father of all spirits including Jesus'
There is no conspiracy theory where Jesus' identity is hidden from mankind and He is really His own Father, and God is Jesus in man form. These are ludicrous fairy tales concocted
by the mother of all harlo@s, and continually being fed as spiritual reality to unsuspecting babes.


This man was declared to be the resurrection because He was the only perfected spiritual Son that fell into the ground and died and now is bringing forth much fruit in the way of
His overcoming Spirit being sent into our hearts crying Abba Father. Creating more overcoming spirits that are New Creatures that have never existed, but their lineage on both sides
traces back to the Father thus they have no beginning or ending just as God Himself.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as ALSO I OVERCAME, and am set down with my Father in His throne.
If He were God in the flesh why would He need to overcome in order to sit in the throne with His Father?


1 Jo 5:4 "Whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world......." Rev 3:21
1Jo 5:5 "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God."
To answer all the questions concerning my Faith, i have in "GOD" all of it, a stone that is not turn over. I am not a partial person and i am not "sentence" verse chapter bible authoritative person. I see the Bible as a whole all the time. even if i look at a sentence i see the whole bible and its contents. And It flashes through me like light. All day and when i sleep, I do not have to look sentences up. The Presbytery's said it was "Gift' from GOD in 1977. I am completely different. And I needed no teacher or instructor pertaining to the things of GOD. and now after 44 years and in my retirement, You are going tell me they was wrong, And God was wrong. I understand, i am different, I have no problems, Now, here is where i stand, all about me:

the "Chicago statement of biblical inerrancy" 1978 look it up public knowledge
and i believe

"The Apostle Creed"

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit
and born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.
From there he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic* church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.

*that is, the true Christian church of all times and all places

"and I believe this".


Ok, it seems to me you have a problem and you are pushing me. I have been kind. , you know nothing about me and my skills and "gifts" in the body of Christ. And I am going to say; Stop pushing. I did not call you, You dial me up! Stop it! , I not going for it. I am being real kind, If you want converts: try "Street open Air Peaching" they would love your message. Waiting for someone like you. It will tingle their ears.

I am not in search for anything. And I do not force " RELIGION" on anyone. And to make it more plain, do not push your Religion on me i don't want it.

I hope you understood that. :eyes: And take your Evangelistic work someone else.
I being kind:eyes:
 
Yes. Jesus' work is to redeem the whole created order. It's very clear in Colossians 1. See how often creation and earth are mentioned here. He creates, sustains and reconciles the earth to himself.

And in the end, God will literally DESTROY this forsaken planet.
 
Rev 3:14 "...........These things saith the Amen, the true and faithful witness, the BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD........" These are red letter words in my KJV

you might wanna recheck your statement.
I'm defending no one but you need to reconcile your opinion with the first verses of John 1, Yashua is the creator and has always been with the Father.
 
I'm defending no one but you need to reconcile your opinion with the first verses of John 1, Yashua is the creator and has always been with the Father.

How is He the BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD if He has always been with God. This is an easy answer. And that was direct Bible scripture, not my opinion.
 
How is He the BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD if He has always been with God. This is an easy answer. And that was direct Bible scripture, not my opinion.
I laid no accusation, not even the one you appear to be seeking. FYI: arguing Scripture is foolishness. I did not state you posted without scriptural backing, but that is, most often, foolishness in this day in time. Yashua ha'Mashiah is First in Creation because He went to that damnable cross to lead all of us, even the Old Testament Saints of Matthew 27, mentioned in that discourse beginning at about v.50 thru v.60. (ie. Yashua had to preach the Gospel to these Saints and He released (led) them and threw the key away to Paradise (Abraham's Bussom).

The world is full of Gospel Teachers that corkscrew the truth into, out-and-out lies. This is accomplished by raping the scriptures by drawing them away from the context they are presented to us in. If John 1: 3 [All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made] is true it is the essence and lens all Scripture is viewed through. Therefore, every word or passage from Gen. 1:1 In the beginning... through the very last Amen of Revelation 22 is the Recorded Word of a single person, Yashua ha'Mashiah, a.k.a. Jesus.

Now there is one feature of Reading the Scriptures To Understand that is Grossly Ignored today, The Bible is one complete message from our Savior. That is why people, like myself, contend that there is a single message in the Bible that must be taken to heart, all of Scripture is the message of The Love of Our Master/Creator for His Crowning Creation... Mankind!

By ripping the Word of YHWH apart, into separated verses and passages, people, such as my older brother can prove murder, robbery, hating Jewish People is justified. The only way to understand the message of the Scriptures is to, in this way, allow Scripture to interpret Scripture.
 
He is the beginning of Creation. it is a language problem here for many. "He is The Maker of The Beginning of Creation. This is the english language translation. Different language translations of the "Original Copies Manuscript" does not read the same, Translations are not word for word, it is the thought of the culture and how their language is spoken. Have any body ever taken up foreign languages at all. I see right now, the Hebrew language patterns would drive everyone crazy. Do people now just take and pick that bible up and just start reading the pages. It has to be a book also "How to read the Bible for DUMMIES". and "How to Read "translations of The Bible for DUMMIES". They got something for everyone else for Dummies. If they don't, we are to get a committee and Publish one.:eyes:

I am going right now to see if i can find one. And review it.


I found them, they got used from a $1.86 to $18.00 new. I did a little highlight on the contents not bad. They instruction how to approach the Book, and the "4" Hermeneutics not bad.

"It's better to go for the overview first and then come back to fill in the details. The books of the Old Testament are categorized into groups: the Law, History, Poetry, Prophetic. The books of the New Testament can get categorized into these groups: Gospels, History, Epistles, Prophetic."

So says a note on this internet page not me.
 
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