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On this thread this is the question :
For those who follow the popular rapture teachings I'm asking for your favorite quotes from Jesus Christ in support.
Yikes another rapture thread!
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For those who follow the popular rapture teachings I'm asking for your favorite quotes from Jesus Christ in support.
Look at 1st or 2nd thessalonians -- don't have my Bible handy. But there's a description of it . And there's also the passage about there will be two women doing threshing /one disappears and the other one left. Likewise two men doing something , one is taken and the other left. That is a picture of the rapture taking place.
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So nothing about floating up in the sky, on the other hand I can quote Jesus ;
3But now I am coming to You; and I am saying these things while I am in the world, so that they may have My joy fulfilled within them. 14I have given them Your word and the world has hated them; for they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
15I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one.c 16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. 18As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world. 19For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth.
I believe you are quoting from John 17. Jesus Christ is praying to His Father in heaven.
The rapture will take place in the twinkling.of an eye.
Born again people from all time 1st the dead in Christ and then the living. I the twinkling of an eye. Everyone else will be left behind.
The rapture will take place in the twinkling.of an eye.
Born again people from all time 1st the dead in Christ and then the living. I the twinkling of an eye. Everyone else will be left behind.
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So you dont think Jesus' prayer will be answered ? I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one.
I can also quote Jesus speaking of the 'dead in Christ' but He doesnt lend you any support there either.
Let's talk context here. You're taking that verse and saying there isn't going to be a rapture? Maybe it could also mean that instead of taking a new born again person to be with Him immediately,, that God is very capable of keeping them safe. Until they are with Jesus Christ.
The passage I was talking about is 1st thessalonians 4:15 -18. Esp vs 16- 17. A description of what will happen in the future.
The passage I was talking about is 1st thessalonians 4:15 -18. Esp vs 16- 17. A description of what will happen in the future.
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Hello @Hitch,
The word 'Rapture' is not Scriptural. It is the word which has been given to the resurrection of the dead, and translation of those that remain, at the coming of the lord referred to in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-19, and described in Matthew 24:39-44 and 1 Corinthians 15:35-49 .
Though it is not the hope for which I look as a member of the Church which is the Body of Christ, who are:- ' ... Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; ... ' (Titus 2:13).
'If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above,
where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
When Christ, who is our life, shall appear,
then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.'
(Col 3:1-4)
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
The word 'Rapture' is not Scriptural. It is the word which has been given to the resurrection of the dead, and translation of those that remain, at the coming of the lord referred to in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-19, and described in Matthew 24:39-44 and 1 Corinthians 15:35-49 .
Though it is not the hope for which I look as a member of the Church which is the Body of Christ, who are:- ' ... Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; ... ' (Titus 2:13).
'If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above,
where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
When Christ, who is our life, shall appear,
then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.'
(Col 3:1-4)
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Hello @Sue D,
I don't know what the root meaning of the word is: and it is the root meaning that we need isn't it? and not the meanings which have been ascribed to it by other sources. It is the same with the word 'Hell', it has the root meaning of 'to hide away', and was chosen by the translators for it perfectly translated the meaning of such words as Sheol and Hades used in Scripture, which are used for the place of the dead. It is the subsequent influences of Greek Philosophy and others which has led to how the word 'Hell' is now understood.
It is vital that we break through the layers of manipulation in order to be sure of the true meanings of the words used, if we would be true to the word of God.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Regarding the term rapture and its use in theology, the following should answer your questions. It is taken from Ryrie’s Basic Theology, Electronic Media from Parsons Technology.
Our modern understanding of rapture appears to have little or no connection with the eschatological event. However, the word is properly used for that event. Rapture is a state or experience of being carried away. The English word comes from a Latin word, rapio, which means to seize or snatch in relation to an ecstasy of spirit or the actual removal from one place to another. In other words, it means to be carried away in spirit or in the body. The Rapture of the church means the carrying away of the church from earth to heaven.
The Greek word from this term “rapture” is derived appears in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, translated “caught up.” The Latin translation of this verse used the word rapturo. The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to snatch or take away. Elsewhere it is used to describe how the Spirit caught up Philip near Gaza and brought him to Caesarea (Acts 8:39) and to describe Paul’s experience of being caught up into the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2-4). Thus there can be no doubt that the word is used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 to indicate the actual removal of people from earth to heaven.
From "Bible.org"
Our modern understanding of rapture appears to have little or no connection with the eschatological event. However, the word is properly used for that event. Rapture is a state or experience of being carried away. The English word comes from a Latin word, rapio, which means to seize or snatch in relation to an ecstasy of spirit or the actual removal from one place to another. In other words, it means to be carried away in spirit or in the body. The Rapture of the church means the carrying away of the church from earth to heaven.
The Greek word from this term “rapture” is derived appears in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, translated “caught up.” The Latin translation of this verse used the word rapturo. The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to snatch or take away. Elsewhere it is used to describe how the Spirit caught up Philip near Gaza and brought him to Caesarea (Acts 8:39) and to describe Paul’s experience of being caught up into the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2-4). Thus there can be no doubt that the word is used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 to indicate the actual removal of people from earth to heaven.
From "Bible.org"
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The English word "rapture" comes from a Latin word, rapio. It means transferring from one place to another. The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to snatch or take away. Same term is used in Acts 8:39. These words were used to describe the removal of God's elect as described in 1Corinthians 15:51-54 as a rapture.
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So Rapture, Up-gathering, caught up in the "Twinkling of an Eye"
no matter; if something happens in my life- time , I welcome it!
Most likely I'm dead by then, either way: I'm with the Lord and just-a- smiling!
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'Then we which are alive and remain
shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,
to meet the Lord in the air:
and so shall we ever be with the Lord.'
(1Th 4:17)
Hello @Curtis (ref:-reply#30), and @Sue D. (ref:-reply#29)
Thank you for this. However, why use the word 'rapture' at all? when the words, 'caught-up' express it perfectly? I do not doubt the translation of the Greek 'harpazo' into the words, 'caught-up', but can see no warrant for changing it to the word 'rapture'. The word rapture is more an expression of emotion than action. Again this use of words other than what the Holy Spirit uses, has brought confusion of thought and debate which is damaging to the truth, whereas the simple use of the words 'caught-up' cannot be argued against. For they tell it as it will be for those who have part in it.
Thank you
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the rapture is not generally what is in question, it is the timing of he rapture that people can not agree on. As Ray posted in Mathew 24 Jesus says he will send out his angels to gather up his elect. Now this is when I believe the rapture will occur at the end of tribulation. just like it says. Many will disagree with this and say that Mathew 24 is about the second coming of Jesus and not the rapture.
From what I have seen most here (not all) hold to the pre trib rapture theory that the church will be removed from the earth before the tribulation occurs. I do not hold to this teaching
Matt 24:30; "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31; "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
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It probably came as the result of the "Latin translation" of the Greek word "harpazo" to the latin word, "Rapturo" which means the same thing.
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Who cares really, it's more important to be a Believer right now, all else is a mute point!
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I was watching many of these manmade youtube videos, and the more time I spend with Jesus the more I see how wrong the majority of time these men are. Many become "spiritual" and "religious" to the detriment of the word. Those who lack spiritual maturity listen to them and heed there advice. I have since learnt not to lean on there teachings.
