watertolive said:

@Rhema @Twistie
why not just recieve wrong and go on....cause neither one of you are right.
tearing at each other like a couple of unruly devils; neither of you in scripture, speaking it or doing it.
neither of you, apparently, KNOW HIM.

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The problem I see with Rhema's posts is she seems to be on a crusade to expose people on here who she believes to be in a cult. Maybe she sees anyone with a different point of view as a potential cult member? Idk. But what's clear to me is that this "crusade" is not directed by the Spirit of God.

Why does Twistie need to justify her decision of allowing only God to teach her? Why do I need to justify whether my "inner knowing" is from God?

Its a fruitless endeavor of gaslighting and resembles a spiritual attack from the enemy of our souls more than anything.

Not to mention there are non-Christians watching this forum from time to time and we have become clowns infighting each other and bringing scorn to the Gospel of Jesus.

As Tucker Carlson said, "Reasonable people who are acting out of honorable motives should be happy to explain themselves."

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Now I've known for decades that people confuse their emotions with the Holy Spirit. I've also known for decades that most all people think with their emotions rather than with their reason. It's obvious when one starts to look - really look - at the "reasons" given for any (any) particular belief or behaviour. Very little, if any, is based on fact, and very little, if any, is based on data.

And I can understand why, as there are no mechanical compartments in the cloud of electrical activity bouncing around inside the brain into which emotion and reason can be separated. Emotional thoughts are not tagged green, while thoughts of reason tagged blue. There's no easy color coding. They're all zipping around within this grey matter, the structure of which we truly know little.

But Reason and critical thinking skills have to be learned. Emotions do not. Reason does not need to be controlled, while emotions do. Math is hard, anger is not. And this is why people who are born with poor thinking abilities will embrace "intuition" or "feeling" or other vague and inexpressible "reasons" to believe something that is fundamentally irrational. And even intelligent well educated people will let their thoughts become clouded with emotion. It can be clearly seen in this thread.

But I've found that if one is truly unable to express or describe some mystical or holy or spiritual experience, then it is probably a figment of his or her imagination rather than a Truth, since Truth by definition can be rationally communicated.

And to elevate the mystical to the principle determining factor of Truth is merely to elevate one's own ignorance.

Again, as Tucker Carlson said, "Reasonable people who are acting out of honorable motives should be happy to explain themselves."

But instead of doing this, every participant in this thread, as far as I can tell, everyone has instead decided to hurl out accusations and emotional vomit against me, in order to avoid the clear and obvious evidence that NO ONE can or will describe this mystical holy spirit experience.

And that should tell you something.

Rhema

Rhema said:

But I've found that if one is truly unable to express or describe some mystical or holy or spiritual experience, then it is probably a figment of his or her imagination rather than a Truth, since Truth by definition can be rationally communicated.

And to elevate the mystical to the principle determining factor of Truth is merely to elevate one's own ignorance.

But instead of doing this, every participant in this thread, as far as I can tell, everyone has instead decided to hurl out accusations and emotional vomit against me, in order to avoid the clear and obvious evidence that NO ONE can or will describe this mystical holy spirit experience.

And that should tell you something.

Rhema

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Experiences in itself does not even fall into the category of truth or lie. You should not be classifying people as frauds just because you don't believe in what they experienced. You have never experienced it the way they did, how are you so sure their experiences are false? You don't. Affirming that you do is arrogance. You are free to not believe in what people experience, but please have the basic decency not to lump experiences into the category of truth. They are not the same. Truth in itself is immutable, people's experiences on the other hand are all different even with the exact same event.

I have lots of experiences in spiritual attack, and I know when I encounter spiritual attack. Your last reply to me generated that exact experience. I know what I felt in the spirit. If you believe this is hurling accusations and emotional vomit, then you should consider how you are responding to people first.

The ultimate question is, are you building up people's faith by what you are doing now? We are told to build up one another's faith, not tear them down. But the entire time you are questioning the faith of others because you believe their experiences cannot be proven as valid. You should question yourself as to why you are doing all this before you question others.

I hope God brings you to repentance before it is too late. This is probably going to be my last response to you, because as much as I want to help you see where you are going wrong, I am not going to allow Satan to attack me relentlessly.

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Rhema

(@Christ4Ever - Seriously?)

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Dear Rhema,
May I help you in determining the seriousness of something or its lack thereof?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Not sure if this is best place to post, but we need to be careful in these last days, and beware of the leaven of the prosperity gospel and faith movement.

The bible says this:

Rom 10:9-10
(9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

This is very true, that is how we got saved, it was us first believing what the word said via salvation and so on, and it resulted in a true confession before the Lord.

And yes as we grow in faith, we continue to believe in our hearts, and thus confess what the word says.

For we walk by faith and live by faith.

And we must hide the word in our hearts.

But what the faith movement does, is say if you confess the word long enough, then you will get you healing , your riches , whatever.

Now I am not for the prosperity gospel at all, an Paul knew how to abound and to be abased, the bible says this:

1Ti 6:5
(5) Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

To be rich in Christ, in spriritual things that is what counts, and not in material things, now if God blesses someone with material things, then be not prideful, use it wisely, help those in genuine need.

But this name it and claim it gospel, is not even biblical, yes we stand on God's promises, while we believe with our heart, but confession itself, or by itself, will do nothing.

The bible says this:

2Co 4:13
(13) We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

It is not head faith that God wants, but it is first believing from the heart, which results in a genuine confession from the mouth, but in the faith movement, action wise, it is as a result of your confession, that means you believe, and that is not true, for if that were true , then what about these next verses:

Mat 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

These people were proclaiming Jesus as Lord, and they claimed all kinds of miracles in Jesus' name (in thy name).

But yet God said he never, never , ever knew them.

SO beware of the leaven of the faith movement, which their way of confession is the opposite of God's way, let the word of God dwell in your heart richly, let it become alive, yield yourself to him, keep your heart in him, and yes proclaim him, but from the bottom of your heart, stand on his word from the bottom of your heart, what God wants is a yielded heart, and then the rest follows.

No rituals, no man made confession system which many times is really based on hypnosis, but just simply I believe , therefore I speak, and let God and not man's way of confessing things lead you, God will give you the right word, when it is needed.

It is faith in God that counts, not faith in me, not faith in Tom , Dyck and Harry, nor faith in your confession, but faith in God, and faith in God to fulfill his promises.

He fulfills them , not us.