bdavidc said:

While reading some posts on message boards, I notice the NWT being used as proof texts. Beware of this as it is from false teachers (Matthew 7:15).
A Christian should not believe the New World Translation (NWT) because it reflects theological bias rather than accurate biblical translation. Produced by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society (Jehovah's Witnesses), the NWT incorporates doctrinal alterations that align with Jehovah's Witness theology rather than the original meaning of Scripture. Unlike reputable translations that rely on the original Hebrew and Greek texts, the NWT inserts sectarian interpretations that misrepresent key Christian doctrines.
One of the most significant issues with the NWT is its deliberate alterations to support Jehovah's Witness doctrine. For example, in John 1:1, most reputable translations state, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." However, the NWT changes this to "the Word was a god," diminishing Christ's deity and aligning with the Jehovah's Witness belief that Jesus is a lesser god, not fully divine. Similarly, in Colossians 1:16-17, where most translations affirm that Christ created "all things," the NWT inserts the word "other" ("because by means of him all other things were created"), implying that Christ Himself was created. This contradicts the biblical doctrine of His eternal existence.
Additionally, the NWT contains numerous mistranslations that attempt to deny the Trinity. The deity of Christ, the personhood of the Holy Spirit, and the nature of God are downplayed. For instance, in Hebrews 1:6, the word "worship" is changed to "obeisance" when referring to Jesus, avoiding the implication that He should be worshiped as God. Such changes reflect a theological agenda rather than a commitment to faithful translation.
Another major concern is that the translation committee responsible for the NWT lacked recognized credentials in biblical languages. Unlike major Bible translations such as the ESV, NASB, KJV, and NIV, which rely on teams of scholars proficient in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic, the NWT was produced by individuals without formal training in biblical languages. This lack of scholarly expertise has led many Greek and Hebrew scholars to reject the NWT as inaccurate and biased. Dr. Bruce Metzger, a world-renowned biblical scholar, described the NWT's handling of the Greek as "a distortion, rather than a translation."
Furthermore, the Jehovah's Witness organization has a history of changing its doctrines, including making failed prophecies and revising its teachings over time. Since the NWT is published by an organization known for doctrinal shifts, it is not reliability as a stable and trustworthy translation.
For these reasons, a Christian should not trust the New World Translation. It intentionally alters key scriptures to fit Jehovah's Witnesses' beliefs, mistranslates passages concerning Christ's deity and the Trinity, lacks scholarly credibility in biblical languages, and is widely rejected by experts as an inaccurate translation. To ensure a faithful rendering of Scripture, Christians should rely on well-respected translations such as the ESV, NASB, KJV, or NKJV, which are produced by expert scholars without denominational bias.

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I want to add some thoughts to this discussion about Bible translations.
The post brings up some really important points about how our understanding of Scripture can be shaped by translation choices. Throughout history, we've seen how theological bias can influence how texts are interpreted - this isn't unique to the NWT.
Psychologically it's worth noting how powerful language can be in shaping our beliefs. When key words like "worship" are changed to "obeisance" or when "the Word was God" becomes "the Word was a god," these subtle shifts can profoundly alter our understanding of Jesus's nature and our relationship with Him.
I've counseled many folks who've experienced spiritual confusion after encountering conflicting translations. What I usually recommend is comparing several mainstream translations when studying important passages and, if possible, looking into what the original language actually says.
The history of Bible translation is fascinating - from the Septuagint to the Vulgate to Tyndale's revolutionary English Bible. Each translation has its strengths and weaknesses, but the strongest ones come from teams of diverse scholars committed to accuracy rather than doctrinal agendas.
If anyone's interested in digging deeper, I'd recommend reading about the translation principles behind different versions. Understanding how and why translation choices are made can help us become better students of Scripture.

Rxlx said:

Your friend Satan is delighted you say he does not rule Earth despite all evidence to the contrary.

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The evidence shows that you reject the very words of Christ and deny him before men.

- Matthew 28:18 KJV

It cannot be said more clearly than that.

- Matthew 10:33 KJV

Rhema

Garee said:

Are you saying Satan is not the god of the lust this world under the Sun?

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Satan is not the god of anything. All power/authority in heaven and in earth was given unto Jesus.

It is astonishing that people calling themselves Christians fight so hard in the power of their own unbelief to deny this.

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Are you saying Satan is not the god of the lust this world under the Sun?

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- James 1:14 KJV

When a man has not submitted to the sovereignty of Jesus, then he is his own god.

Rhema

Dylan569 said:

Rhema, I doubt that your trolling will be praised by anyone after 300 years have passed!!

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So I am to seek the praise of Men? (Like Gill?)

I am beginning to see the root of your difficulties. Wanting to be respected yourself, you have become a respecter of persons.

Rhema

Rhema said:

So I am to seek the praise of Men? (Like Gill?)

I am beginning to see the root of your difficulties. Wanting to be respected yourself, you have become a respecter of persons.

Rhema

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A free lance pretension to biblical scholarship will fall into heresy every time!

"But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth." (1Tim 3:15 KJV)

Rhema said:

So I am to seek the praise of Men? (Like Gill?)

I am beginning to see the root of your difficulties. Wanting to be respected yourself, you have become a respecter of persons.

Rhema

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"Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican." (Matt 18:15-17 KJV)

"But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth." (1Tim 3:15 KJV)

"For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you." (1Cor 11:18-19 KJV)

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." (Jude 1:3 KJV)

Rhema, you do not present what you believe "the faith" is that is spoken of in Jude 3.

In your Profile, "About" section, you do not give any creed, confession of faith or catechism to which you will say "This I believe..." so I assume it is because you do not want to be pinned down to a specific body of faith that you can defend or contend for.

When a man refuses to present in some form, what he believes as a Christian, I have doubts he is even 'born again', a true regenerate person. I can't see his life, so I can only discern by his beliefs.

The following is the "About" part of my Profile -

"I am an 82 y.o. Anglo-Germanic male, professing my faith in Jesus Christ and being immersed in baptism at age 9. I was born into a Christian family at the time my parents were leaving a liberal church to help gather conservative Christians into a church of the GARBC. I'm theologically and politically conservative with a significant libertarian view in areas of human freedom.

For many years I've held to the "1644/1646 First London Confession of Baptists"

On eschatology I believe the 1000 years of Revelation 20 is a symbol of the time between the first and second advent of Christ. I believe as the small mustard seed grew into a tree, Matt. 13:31-32; and the yeast that leavened the entire batch of flour, Matt. 13:33; the gospel of Jesus Christ changes the whole world. I believe that the "assembly of God" in the Old Testament (Neh.13:1)Known as Israel, is continued as the "assembly of God" in the New Testament(Acts 20:28YLT), known as the Church. I do hold to New Covenant Theology."
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When I talk with a brother who is Lutheran, Presbyterian, Anglican, the SBC, etc., I can have a respectful and meaningful talk and sharing in God's word. When we are discussing the wonderful unity we have in our common, foundational beliefs in Christ, it is truly a blessing. Even when we discuss our differences respectfully, such as "believer's baptism", church government, particular redemption etc., we can at least understand the other brother's perspective. When you try to discuss doctrines with someone who keeps their beliefs secret, it is like dealing with the greased pig in the county fair.

Dylan569 said:

. When you try to discuss doctrines with someone who keeps their beliefs secret, it is like dealing with the greased pig in the county fair.

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The 1000 years of Rev 20 are Jesus's reign on the Earth after Armageddon.
During that time the rapturees will be lowered down again and have the task of gathering and burying the bones of the dead.
The rapturees will include married couples or singles who will marry and produce new children to replace all the dead.
It is these new children who having not seen Armageddon will not understand about death and some of them will be open to Satan's coercion when he is released from inside Earth along with his second gang of fallen angels to have their little season of getting the children to turn from Jesus and follow himself. All that do follow him will be the tares of Matthew 13.24.
After the little season the tares and fallen angels will be destroyed and Satan will be thrown in an everlasting fire.
The popes chair is claimed ot show Jesus being resurrected but is actually Satan and his gang rising for their little season. The sculptor fashioned the hair into a subliminal image of a reptile.

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Rhema said:

Respected by whom? God is not a respecter of persons.

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That non sequitur is yet another example of the spirit of deception in operation. By the same unclean spirit that would disallow the fundamental difference between copyright and letters patent, the poster cannot discern the critical difference between man and person, and so shames himself by shamming the gist of Dylan569's comment.

Rhema said:

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.(Matthew 28:18 KJV)

Why are you too blind to see this?

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Yep, Jesus has the power. If you're a fellow believer, why don't you? "Why are you too blind to see this?"

Dylan569 said:

Rhema, you do not present what you believe "the faith" is that is spoken of in Jude 3.

In your Profile, "About" section, you do not give any creed, confession of faith or catechism to which you will say "This I believe..." so I assume it is because you do not want to be pinned down to a specific body of faith that you can defend or contend for.

When a man refuses to present in some form, what he believes as a Christian, I have doubts he is even 'born again', a true regenerate person. I can't see his life, so I can only discern by his beliefs.

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Well spoken.

For us believers, Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully [defects in Rhema's conversation which have been faithfully exposed]; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God [i.e. the call of the true believer]. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. (2 Cor.4:1-4). Is Rhema "lost"? How "blinded" is Rhema?

God is dealing, and will deal, with Rhema - for better or for worse: Therefore hath [God] mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. (Romans 9:18)

Meanwhile, our call remains: We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols [e.g. loving the praise of wannabee 'scholars' more than the praise of God]. Amen. (1 John 5:18-21).
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Rhema said:

Satan is not the god of anything. All power/authority in heaven and in earth was given unto Jesus.

It is astonishing that people calling themselves Christians fight so hard in the power of their own unbelief to deny this.

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Two kinds of power. The power of lies and the power of truth

2 Corhtitains 4:7 But we (that have no power of our own ) have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

All truthful power comes after Christ who works in us.

Satan the father of lies is the god of this world, the god of false pride in respect to the lust of flesh coupled with lust of the eye.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world.

Numbers 15:39 You have the fringe so that, when you see it, you will remember all the commandments of the Lord and do them, and not follow the lust of your own heart and your own eyes.

As the god of all power lying signs to wonder

2 Thessalonians 2:9-11;Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
;And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Satan has no gospel undestanding hid in parables .Its all a guessing game If you you who who say change stones into bread If you are the Son of man I will show you all the kingdoms of the world and all there phoney glory .without moving one inch

The Christ the Father gave Jesus the Son of man his apostle words to rebuke the phony glory .Three times as it is powerfully written stuck him out .never saw the faith ball invisible things of God coming

By claiming Satan does not rule Earth at this time Rhema is simply calling Jesus and Paul LIARS!

Some of us may have specks of dust in our eyes but Rhema has a whole tree trunk!

amateurscholar said:

I want to add some thoughts to this discussion about Bible translations.

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The (NWT) New World Translation of the bible is not just a different bible translation it is a false gospel; it presents a distorted message that strays from the truth of God's Word. It alters key doctrines and undermines essential teachings about the nature of Christ and salvation. Scripture warns us against such distortions: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:8). The true gospel reveals Jesus Christ as fully God and fully man (John 1:1, 14; Colossians 2:9), and salvation as a gift of grace through faith, not by works (Ephesians 2:8–9). Any text that changes the clear message of Scripture and leads people away from the truth of who Jesus is and what He has done must be recognized for what it is—a serious deviation from the truth revealed by God. As believers, we are called to "test everything; hold fast what is good" (1 Thessalonians 5:21) and to rightly handle the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15), remaining steadfast in sound doctrine.

bdavidc said:

The (NWT) New World Translation of the bible is not just a different bible translation it is a false gospel; it presents a distorted message that strays from the truth of God's Word. It alters key doctrines and undermines essential teachings about the nature of Christ and salvation. Scripture warns us against such distortions: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:8). The true gospel reveals Jesus Christ as fully God and fully man (John 1:1, 14; Colossians 2:9), and salvation as a gift of grace through faith, not by works (Ephesians 2:8–9). Any text that changes the clear message of Scripture and leads people away from the truth of who Jesus is and what He has done must be recognized for what it is—a serious deviation from the truth revealed by God. As believers, we are called to "test everything; hold fast what is good" (1 Thessalonians 5:21) and to rightly handle the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15), remaining steadfast in sound doctrine.

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God speaks words Let there be" He much more than a word.

I would think the NWT and the word was a god is in error Just as and the word was God .

You would have to ask what word was God or what word is a god? leaving it as a question.

In both cases both the translators are looking to the flesh as if God was a Jewish man King of kings.

It can be seen in the differnce of how we define the parables "drink blood of men eat flesh".

Which is simply our Holy Father Christ faithfully pouring out his Spirit life on dying flesh and blood in jeapordy of his own Spirit life .He gives us little of his faith or power to believe the unseen things of Christ .

Calling us those ye of little faith more than enough to please His labor of love.

Not little faith as power when needing more faith to do the will (and it was good) of God The apostles said increase that power of Let there be faith

JWs makes it to no effect hoping God is a man by forbidding literal blood transfusion. While Catholics say the bread actually turns into literal blood

The faith of God comes by hearing words "let there be" one word saying God is a word has no outcome and "it was good" .

Luke 17:5And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.(Power)

John 3:30 He (the author"(let there be" and it was good the finisher of powerful faith) must increase, but I must decrease.

Dylan569 said:

A free lance pretension to biblical scholarship will fall into heresy every time!

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So then, since you consider it important to call my studies into question, at which seminaries have you taken classes? Or are you completely "self-studied" of your oh so cherished books? The Catholic Church (a bastion of bartering Bishops) knew that Martin Luther was "free lance" and ignored him for that. Do you realize that you've just said that truth is the product of the collective mind? How wonderfully Catholic.

Heresy is a claim to religious truth that either stands outside of what Jesus taught, or contradicts what Jesus taught. In my posts, you can find no such heresy, but rather scriptural support with both reason and wisdom (and most times direct translation).

I'm sorry, maybe you're talking about your own "free lance" studies?

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In your Profile, "About" section, you do not give any creed, confession of faith or catechism to which you will say "This I believe..." so I assume it is because you do not want to be pinned down to a specific body of faith that you can defend or contend for.

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Why is this important to you? Is a creed, confession of faith, or catechism necessary for entry into the kingdom of God? Or do these things merely adulterate the teachings of Jesus? ADD-ulterate... an addition to. "Off the top of my head," adding to scripture contradicts at least two Bible scriptures that I know of. (Might you know them?) You see, needing a creed, confession of faith, or catechism is a flat out admission that what is written isn't enough to inform. Is your Bible that confusing? Is it missing pieces? Is your Bible so woefully written that you need all your books to try and explain what it itself cannot? (All those books and no wisdom.)

I (we) have a short list called "First Axioms." But in truth, only the teachings of Jesus are important. But since you gnash your teeth and snarl at me, thinking your complaints to make you superior, here's one for you to chew on.

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Rhema, you do not present what you believe "the faith" is that is spoken of in Jude 3.

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Neither does your disconnected spew of verses above. But Dylan, your grammar has failed you. As written, your sentence is not clear. You ought to have written:


But there is only one faith. PLEASE tell me that you at least understand the English word "faith" is a noun gloss for the Greek word pair "pistis/pisteuo" (Belief / Believe).

So you wish me to present what I believe? There is only one faith - there is only one Belief. I believe the Gospel that Jesus taught. (See above Axiom.)

- Mark 1:14-15 KJV

How can you disagree with this? What creed can add? What book can explain? Were the words of Jesus insufficient? REPENT ye, and believe the Gospel (what Jesus meant by Gospel of course).

Dylan569 said:

When a man refuses to present in some form, what he believes as a Christian, I have doubts he is even 'born again', a true regenerate person. I can't see his life, so I can only discern by his beliefs.

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Who has refused? Me? I present what I believe in my posts. (Don't you?) But have you ever asked me? I think your Profile is bombastic pomposity. Mere boasting. I just don't that. That's not who I am.

Dylan569 said:

The following is the "About" part of my Profile -

"I am an 82 y.o. Anglo-Germanic male, professing my faith in Jesus Christ and being immersed in baptism at age 9. I was born into a Christian family at the time my parents were leaving a liberal church to help gather conservative Christians into a church of the GARBC. I'm theologically and politically conservative with a significant libertarian view in areas of human freedom.

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I think you left out Gay. Did you leave out Gay? Why did you misrepresent yourself and leave out Gay? (You posted about being Gay many, many times.) And why are you racist? You felt it important enough to list your race in your profile. That's rather racist. And am I to quake in my boots that you "professed" at age 9? Does that give you more standing with God? Then realize, sir, I made the decision to follow Jesus when I was 8.

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On eschatology I believe the 1000 years of Revelation 20 is a symbol of the time between the first and second advent of Christ. .................

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Bully for you. The earliest organized church, The Church of the East, formed by the Apostle Thomas, rejected the book of Revelation for canon. So I'll just take this part of your post as a brain fart since it seems totally irrelevant to anything being discussed.

Dylan569 said:

When I talk with a brother who is Lutheran, Presbyterian, Anglican, the SBC, etc., I can have a respectful and meaningful talk and sharing in God's word. When we are discussing the wonderful unity we have in our common, foundational beliefs in Christ, it is truly a blessing.

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Birds of a feather flock together. Dogs like to smell each others butt holes. Pigs love a good mud bath with each other? ??? I'm sure Catholics like talking with each other, and Mormons with Mormons, and Buddhists with Buddhists. Everybody wants to feel like they belong, and they revel in this. I think what you're trying to say is that you like Confirmation Bias - people who can make you feel comfortable because they too believe the same wrong things as you do.

- Matthew 8:20 KJV

Somehow I get the impression that you couldn't abide this.

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When you try to discuss doctrines with someone who keeps their beliefs secret, it is like dealing with the greased pig in the county fair.

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Oh Dylan, your grammar has failed you once again. "When ONE tries to discuss doctrines with...." So I'll impute the fix.

But I have never kept my beliefs secret. There ARE certain beliefs that TalkJesus prohibits from being discussed, so there's nothing that I can do about that. I've had numerous well written, well reasoned, well supported posts that have been deleted by moderators - POOF - only because they present an inconvenient truth.

But look at the end of your post. In the end, you needed to end with ad hominem. Because that's alls ya gots.

God's blessing of clarity to you,
Rhema

amateurscholar said:

I've counseled many folks who've experienced spiritual confusion after encountering conflicting translations. What I usually recommend is comparing several mainstream translations when studying important passages and, if possible, looking into what the original language actually says.

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No need to make it difficult. Just give them one of these books: (we do).


Then they can see just how bad the English translations are.

amateurscholar said:

the strongest ones come from teams of diverse scholars committed to accuracy rather than doctrinal agendas.

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Name one.

It's a nice claim, somewhat like the Unicorn is the most beautiful creature of the forest.

amateurscholar said:

If anyone's interested in digging deeper, I'd recommend reading about the translation principles behind different versions. Understanding how and why translation choices are made can help us become better students of Scripture.

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Indeed. But why not just learn the language for yourself?

Kindly,
Rhema

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so I assume...

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Well Dylan, you know what that means, I hope.

Rhema said:

No need to make it difficult. Just give them one of these books: (we do).

The Interlinear KJV-NIV Parallel New Testament in Greek…

The Interlinear KJV-NIV Parallel New Testament does thr…

www.goodreads.com

Then they can see just how bad the English translations are.

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Even with all you diplomas papering your walls you still call Jesus a liar .
All Bibles have the Big Picture to those with discernment.

Rxlx said:

By claiming Satan does not rule Earth at this time Rhema is simply calling Jesus and Paul LIARS!

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By claiming that Jesus does NOT have all power/authority in heaven and Earth is simply calling Jesus and Paul LIARS!

(And I can even post scripture ! How about THAT !!)

- Matthew 28:18 KJV

You can't rule if you have no power/authority, babe.

Rhema

Rhema said:

Axiom - If Jesus came preaching the Gospel, then the Gospel is what Jesus preached, and him alone, our saviour.

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The Father Christ who gave the apostle Jesus the Son of man words to preach. Proves the Father is the savior The Father striking the Son and healing as he cried out.

Bruising his heel crushing the head of the serpent.

Jesus preached. The Father alone does the teaching .

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Jesus preached. The Father alone does the teaching .

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Well then he has his work cut out with you, because there is no such thing as "Father Christ."

(Just Father Christmas )

God bless,
Rhema

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Even with all you diplomas papering your walls you still call Jesus a liar .
All Bibles have the Big Picture to those with discernment.

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And you having no diplomas can't seem to figure out that I'm not calling Jesus a liar.
So... whatever...

Rhema

Sometimes your Big Picture looks like a Picasso !!