We are not into buildings , altars, pulpits, non pulpits, or whatever, we are just into the word of God.

Gerbolski said:

We know that the Levitical priesthood was done away with, and we are not into the vestments you speak of.

Nowhere do you find the foundation of the Catholic church in scripture, it is just not there.

There has always been churches that were separate, even before the 1500's.

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The Catholic Church Finds Its Foundation when Jesus gave to Peter the authority of the church. By saying whatever you allow on Earth will be allowed in heaven Etc.

There's a series of books you might want to read. It's the Sunday sermons of the founding fathers of the Christian church. Including Sunday sermons from many people that are in the scripture that became Christian afterwards, like Barnabas and others.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.

I was going to ask you if you thought God allowed gambling?

Gerbolski said:

We are not into buildings , altars, pulpits, non pulpits, or whatever, we are just into the word of God.

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May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

Yeah there are many churches that are. I can go to just about any Baptist Church any Methodist Church any Pentecostal Church all of them and they're all very much involved with everything that I had said

Bill said:

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

Yeah there are many churches that are. I can go to just about any Baptist Church any Methodist Church any Pentecostal Church all of them and they're all very much involved with everything that I had said

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I would partially agree and disagree with you on that.

Vestment wise, I have not see that very much if at all, at least in the Pentecostal circles I have been in, and most are not dressed in priestly raiment in Pentecostal, or Baptist circles.

Bill said:

The Catholic Church Finds Its Foundation when Jesus gave to Peter the authority of the church. By saying whatever you allow on Earth will be allowed in heaven Etc.

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Mat 16:16-19
(16) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
(17) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
(18) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
(19) And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Peter confessed that Jesus was the Christ.

And what does the word say about Christ ?

1Co 10:4
(4) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Both the word "rock" in Corinthians and Matthew, point to the Greek word Petra, which means a mass of rock, so the rock that the church is built on, refers to the one Peter confessed which was the Christ, which he is this mass of rock.

Now the word Peter in the Greek means a piece of rock, which is way smaller than a mass of rock.

Was it only Peter that was said that he would have the power to bind and loose ?

Mat 18:1
(1) At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

Mat 18:18
(18) Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

All the disciples were given this, which includes all the church.

According to the word, what is our only foundation ?

1Co 3:11
(11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Gerbolski said:

I would partially agree and disagree with you on that.

Vestment wise, I have not see that very much if at all, at least in the Pentecostal circles I have been in, and most are not dressed in priestly raiment in Pentecostal, or Baptist circles.

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May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom
They don't have to be exactly matching but if they're wearing any kind of robes, then they are wearing vestments.

Gerbolski said:

Mat 16:16-19
(16) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
(17) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
(18) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
(19) And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Peter confessed that Jesus was the Christ.

And what does the word say about Christ ?

1Co 10:4
(4) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Both the word "rock" in Corinthians and Matthew, point to the Greek word Petra, which means a mass of rock, so the rock that the church is built on, refers to the one Peter confessed which was the Christ, which he is this mass of rock.

Now the word Peter in the Greek means a piece of rock, which is way smaller than a mass of rock.

Was it only Peter that was said that he would have the power to bind and loose ?

Mat 18:1
(1) At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

Mat 18:18
(18) Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

All the disciples were given this, which includes all the church.

According to the word, what is our only foundation ?

1Co 3:11
(11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

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May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.
Exactly!!!
The Catholic Church the foundation of it is in Christ. The Eucharist is the foundation of the Catholic Church.

Jesus said to his apostles, lifting up the bread and blessing it take this all of you and eat of it. This is my body.

And then taking the cup giving it the blessing he said to his apostles, take this and drink for this is my blood.

On the road to Emmaus Jesus joined with his apostles and they did not recognize him. And even though Jesus used scripture to teach his apostles about how the Christ would have to die for the sins of the world. They still did not recognize who Jesus was even though they said it was like a fire burning within them. It wasn't until Jesus blessed the bread that they recognized who Jesus was.

Bill said:

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom
They don't have to be exactly matching but if they're wearing any kind of robes, then they are wearing vestments.

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Most do not wear robes, but rather suits, or in some cases casual dress, I have never seen robes in a Pentecostal assembly, nor in the very few Brethren or Baptist, that I have acquainted.

Bill said:

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.
Exactly!!!
The Catholic Church the foundation of it is in Christ. The Eucharist is the foundation of the Catholic Church.

Jesus said to his apostles, lifting up the bread and blessing it take this all of you and eat of it. This is my body.

And then taking the cup giving it the blessing he said to his apostles, take this and drink for this is my blood.

On the road to Emmaus Jesus joined with his apostles and they did not recognize him. And even though Jesus used scripture to teach his apostles about how the Christ would have to die for the sins of the world. They still did not recognize who Jesus was even though they said it was like a fire burning within them. It wasn't until Jesus blessed the bread that they recognized who Jesus was.

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Absolutely nothing to do with Catholicism here, it is denominations that bring division, we need the word of God, and get back to the word.

It is the gospel of Jesus Christ, not the gospel of the Catholic church, nor the gospel of the protestants, or Anglican, or any such thing.

1. Is Christmas rooted in Jesus and the Bible?​

Yes — the religious meaning is Christian.

What is biblical:​

• Jesus’ birth narrative appears in Matthew 1–2 and Luke 1–2.
• Early Christians celebrated Christ’s incarnation (God becoming human).
• By the 2nd–3rd century, Christian theologians were already discussing the date of the Nativity.

What is not in the Bible:​

• The Bible does not give a date for Jesus’ birth.
• There is no command in Scripture to celebrate Christmas.
• Shepherds living outdoors at night suggests a warmer season, not deep winter.

So the holiday’s meaning (celebrating the birth of Jesus) is Christian, but the date and many traditions came later.

2. Is Christmas rooted in pagan traditions?​

Also yes — the timing and many customs came from existing winter festivals.

Major pagan/winter influences:​

Roman Saturnalia (Dec 17–23)​

• Gift-giving
• Feasting
• Role reversals
• Evergreen decorations

Sol Invictus / Winter Solstice (Dec 25)​

• Celebration of the “Unconquered Sun”
• December 25 chosen to symbolize the return of light
• Early Christians later associated Christ as the true Light of the world

Northern European Yule (Germanic/Norse)​

• Yule logs
• Evergreen trees
• Feasts through the darkest days
• Belief in spirits/ghosts in midwinter

These festivals were widespread when Christianity spread through Rome and Northern Europe.
Christians often replaced or repurposed existing festivals, attaching Christian worship and meaning to dates that people were already celebrating.

IMO, here's where people have a problem:

Pagan/Winter Customs​

• Trees, wreaths, lights
• Santa Claus (mix of St. Nicholas + Norse/Odin lore)
• Yule logs
• Feast-days and gift-giving traditions

Modern Cultural Layer​

• Commercialized holiday traditions
• Secular celebrations

Of the 4 "pagan" customs I haven't, no one I've ever known, nor have I met anyone who thinks those 4 are pagan to the point they do weird/evil thing with them.

The Christmas season is a "season of tidings of great joy" and peace or am I wrong?

1. Luke 2:10–11 — The classic “good tidings of great joy” verse​

King James Version (KJV):

“And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.”

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If you start to get into the pagan crap then look in the Alpine regions of Central Europe (German/Austria roots).

Austria (the strongest source)​

Austria is considered the heart of the Krampus tradition.
Krampusnacht (Krampus Night) on December 5 is widely celebrated with:

• Krampus parades
• Costumed “Krampuslauf” (Krampus runs)
• Folk rituals of scaring away evil spirits

In Bavaria, Krampus accompanies St. Nicholas and punishes naughty children.
The costumes are very similar to Austria’s.

Some regions of Switzerland (especially German-speaking areas) have Krampus-like figures, often called:

• Schmutzli
• Other dark companions of St. Nicholas

Yet the word Christmas is not in the bible, and the bible says to not learn the way of the heathen.

Jer 10:2-3
(2) Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
(3) For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

Deu 12:30
(30) Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.


1Sa 15:23
(23) For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

It really is not about Christ, Christmas, it is about adding lies to Christ, adding mixture to Christ and paying lip service to Christ.

It is not about asking him how he wants to be served, it is very selfish, and self centered.

If God does not want us to set up a tree after him, like the heathens do to their gods, then we should just listen, and if he does not want an image of Jesus or graven images set up to represent God, we should just listen, but people love mixture, because it gratifies the flesh, and takes away the glory from God, and brings it towards man, man love those feelings.

People think that as long as I see it a certain way, it is ok with God, yet God tells what he wants from us towards him, we should be satisfied with that.

Christianizing something is not of God, God would not of accepted Christianizing the golden calf, and he did not accept Cain's sacrifice, but he did accept Abel's sacrifice, why? Because Abel did according to the word, he was obedient to what God wanted.

Purity is purity, without mixture.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

Well you guys can have fun with all that bologna.

Me and my family on the other hand will celebrate Christmas and the birth of Jesus.

I just have to say if you can't celebrate the birth of Jesus then why celebrate your own children unless you're a bunch of hypocrites.

Bill said:

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

Well you guys can have fun with all that bologna.

Me and my family on the other hand will celebrate Christmas and the birth of Jesus.

I just have to say if you can't celebrate the birth of Jesus then why celebrate your own children unless you're a bunch of hypocrites.

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There are many things to consider, Jesus' birth itself is not wrong, but nor is it a commandment, sometimes people make a doctrine out of Christmas.

What God hates is mixture, and impurity, if we are not concerned about these things, well take it up between you and God.

first post had me thinking that i really need to ask god, the post by BackNForth had me settled that i dont even need to speak to god about this
previously ive settled on that we dont do any traditional stuff on christmas, we dont sing or dance or whatever they normally do.
we would be visiting my mother and maybe some small gifts would be given, although we usually give some things when we do meet which isnt very often
this year ill have to abandon this day thats very insulting to the lord, very great points. ive always despised christmas even when i was at my midst of sin, even when i was in the occult i disliked every part of it. the spirit of christ will always emergy like a volcano erupting and throwing everything away in its path that kept it down
and lets not neglect to look at whats right infront of us at all times: santa is spelled with 2 letters swapped from SATAN

i however do take it that its fine we go to visit my mother on a different date and leave out all the christmas stuff and just go there to eat normally.

the smoking gun to me is this one..
Zechariah 2:6-13
"Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the Lord: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord."

which, i guess is a message directly to me as im in the north and ive been wondering where god may lead us on his great day.
haleluja.

Biblically speaking Christ's birth is known as Christ's birth, and there is no insult in not celebrating his birth since God never told us to.

It is not a commandment, but to speak of his birth is fine, and if we do, do things via his birth, we have to consider what it says in Deuteronomy, and consider what it says about mixing, purity and wisdom.

Many do not consider these things, and being careful with his name, and showing reverence to him in every way, I think that reverence has been lost in a big way, I think we do not realize to what point this is being lost.

In reality as a true Christian, we basically celebrate Christ continuously, in a natural way, and the main things he tells us to remember is his death and resurrection.

And do I read the story of Christ's birth at times ? Yes, it is an awesome story.

But so many times we invent theories and add it to Christ, such as it is an insult to not celebrate Jesus' birth, which is not in the scripture.

And people in some cases making it a commandment to celebrate Jesus birth, or else you are dishonoring Christ, which is not true.

It may take a long time before many get a decent understanding of purity, reverence, and also wisdom.

Do I go visit our married children in this time of year ? Many times yes, but not because of the time of the year, but just because we have time off to do so.

In the research I did, it does show many pagan feasts on December 25th, and because of calendar change, it sometimes moved things, but ultimately they did hit December 25th, at one point or another, and some info shows this, which I believe I already covered or about to cover, something like that.

Would disagree with the videos, still got more to cover on the dating thing, and Tertullian did show pagan influence on Christians.

But I know that there will always be disagreements on this.

Some say yes, some say no, history proves it, history does not prove it, that will always be one of the arguments.