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Are the Gifts of the Spirit Still for Today? — Tongues, Power, and the Proof of Salvation

"Judging before time" - No one uses that.
"And no not all people know your name on here." - Never stated such an absurd thing.
I've proven nothing for you and your claim has no evidence to support it.

Oh, how convenient. So no one had cellphones? Everyone was so "awestruck" that not ONE person though to record it? Right.

You suggesting we talk in private is suspicious. What do you have to hide from everyone else? Another reason not to trust you.

All you are doing is arguing, and the reason I want to do it in private, because it is not a good witness that is being shown, Jesus sometimes talked in public, and with his disciples sometimes in private, the bible does show a balance.

Ya but you keep on saying you do not hide behind a name, and to me I see nothing wrong with your MedicBravo name, but then you try to put that on me, the way you speak to people, you do not gain trust with people.

You did say people know your name, so I guess not all.

And I did not say I speak in tongues on command like you said in another post, I said I speak in tongues as I am touched of the Lord, and if someone were to film me in that moment, then I could consider sending it.

And no we do not normally film our services, that is just the truth.

But because of the way you speak, I now trust you even less.

"A Christian guy that I know" - It's ALWAYS someone someone else knows.
That was a false accusation, because I know this person, it is not someone someone else knows.
No sane person would believe you.
You are basically calling me not sane or insane.

You said this:
Vice versa.
In response to this:

Gerbolski: "Sure I understand, because you do not know me, and it is true there are a lot of fakers."

Which shows you claim to know who I am, or what I am , which is also false because you do not know me.

So you are judging things before time, or before you know all the facts, judging someone by the person not giving you a video at this or that moment, is not discernment.

And because of your false statements about me, that is why I say you want to bash me, and really it seems you want to trash unknown tongues.

And then I comment about what the face to face thing means, which in that case had nothing to do with me speaking in tongues, but rather discussing what the face to face means, and yet this is your response:

Still not evidence.
You obviously have something against me, and it seems unknown tongues.

And you also said this:

I'm not giving my number out to some rando.
"If I had someone call you and they said I speak in tongues, would you even receive that testimony, I highly doubt it." - No.
Which shows you are not open to a testimony, because you said this:

Provide evidence and evidence that some pastor or your church has officially labeled you as a "Tongue speaker".
yet you reply with no you would not receive a testimony if I had someone call you, and you do mention phones, and videos, so it is not that you have to automatically receive it, but at least consider it, because someone phoning you that says I am a tongue talker.

But even then I bear witness with you less and less, because you are not really open to private talk, which you show your colors towards that, which I tried to have one with you, but then you say this:

You suggesting we talk in private is suspicious. What do you have to hide from everyone else? Another reason not to trust you.

So you are virtually impossible to talk to, you seem to shut every door.

And I know you would smear me , if I showed you evidence, just by the way you are talking down at me.

It would be almost like casting my pearls before swine.
 
All you are doing is arguing, and the reason I want to do it in private, because it is not a good witness that is being shown, Jesus sometimes talked in public, and with his disciples sometimes in private, the bible does show a balance.

Ya but you keep on saying you do not hide behind a name, and to me I see nothing wrong with your MedicBravo name, but then you try to put that on me, the way you speak to people, you do not gain trust with people.

You did say people know your name, so I guess not all.

And I did not say I speak in tongues on command like you said in another post, I said I speak in tongues as I am touched of the Lord, and if someone were to film me in that moment, then I could consider sending it.

And no we do not normally film our services, that is just the truth.

But because of the way you speak, I now trust you even less.


That was a false accusation, because I know this person, it is not someone someone else knows.

You are basically calling me not sane or insane.

You said this:

In response to this:

Gerbolski: "Sure I understand, because you do not know me, and it is true there are a lot of fakers."

Which shows you claim to know who I am, or what I am , which is also false because you do not know me.

So you are judging things before time, or before you know all the facts, judging someone by the person not giving you a video at this or that moment, is not discernment.

And because of your false statements about me, that is why I say you want to bash me, and really it seems you want to trash unknown tongues.

And then I comment about what the face to face thing means, which in that case had nothing to do with me speaking in tongues, but rather discussing what the face to face means, and yet this is your response:


You obviously have something against me, and it seems unknown tongues.

And you also said this:


Which shows you are not open to a testimony, because you said this:


yet you reply with no you would not receive a testimony if I had someone call you, and you do mention phones, and videos, so it is not that you have to automatically receive it, but at least consider it, because someone phoning you that says I am a tongue talker.

But even then I bear witness with you less and less, because you are not really open to private talk, which you show your colors towards that, which I tried to have one with you, but then you say this:



So you are virtually impossible to talk to, you seem to shut every door.

And I know you would smear me , if I showed you evidence, just by the way you are talking down at me.

It would be almost like casting my pearls before swine.
Three times you've made a "claim" I'm trying to smear you.
Logic and common sense show that to believe a claim without evidence is stupid. The difference between the people in the Bible and us, is they did not have all the ways of recording information and to back up eyewitness testimony than we do.

Reposting a lot and every other thing I said doesn't help your claim.
What do you have to hide from everyone else? If you truly "did" and you had a witness then that would be highly beneficial than "keeping it private".

Your twisting things. If you truly did, then you'd be in a good mood and want to share it with more of the church. I'm not some lost non-Christian on here to cause problems.

Gerbolski - Slavic/Polish. extremely rare or effectively absent in publicly indexed surname-origin sources. - Huh. Interesting. Name isn't listed in any major surname dictionaries or databases.
No authoritative meaning, root word, or ancestral place can be confidently assigned to “Gerbolski.

My user comes from my time in the military; Medic and they call us "Doc". I'm no Doctor. No hiding behind anything here.
Back to the topic, you can make all the excuses you want. Blind belief is why false teachers like Joel Osteen, Joyce Myer, and Benny Hinn haven't been kicked out of the church.
Which verses are you going to cherry pick next?

I don't now you enough to "have something against you" but if you're lying (the odds aren't zero) you are "sowing discord among believers".

A false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers. Proverbs 6:19

"Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord." - Proverbs 12:22
You can "do it on command" can't you? Even a stupid church "leader" would know to record it and put you on a registry of "Tongue speakers".
 
Three times you've made a "claim" I'm trying to smear you.
Logic and common sense show that to believe a claim without evidence is stupid. The difference between the people in the Bible and us, is they did not have all the ways of recording information and to back up eyewitness testimony than we do.

Reposting a lot and every other thing I said doesn't help your claim.
What do you have to hide from everyone else? If you truly "did" and you had a witness then that would be highly beneficial than "keeping it private".

Your twisting things. If you truly did, then you'd be in a good mood and want to share it with more of the church. I'm not some lost non-Christian on here to cause problems.

Gerbolski - Slavic/Polish. extremely rare or effectively absent in publicly indexed surname-origin sources. - Huh. Interesting. Name isn't listed in any major surname dictionaries or databases.
No authoritative meaning, root word, or ancestral place can be confidently assigned to “Gerbolski.

My user comes from my time in the military; Medic and they call us "Doc". I'm no Doctor. No hiding behind anything here.
Back to the topic, you can make all the excuses you want. Blind belief is why false teachers like Joel Osteen, Joyce Myer, and Benny Hinn haven't been kicked out of the church.
Which verses are you going to cherry pick next?

I don't now you enough to "have something against you" but if you're lying (the odds aren't zero) you are "sowing discord among believers".

A false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers. Proverbs 6:19

"Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord." - Proverbs 12:22
You can "do it on command" can't you? Even a stupid church "leader" would know to record it and put you on a registry of "Tongue speakers".
I do not agree, I am not sowing discord, I find you are doing so, by your accusations, of making judgments on me without evidence, that is sowing discord.

For me, I will not automatically deny if someone says something to me, many times I give the benefit of the doubt, unless I know X,Y,Z about the situation, that is why it is not wise to judge matters before hand.

And there are things the Spirit shows and so on.

I have already shared with some other members my name, and other things, with you I do not trust to share things in that way, because of your critical spirit.

And yes it does matter what you shared.

Tell me do you consider speaking in an unknown tongue to were only God's knows what it means and no one else, a false doctrine ?
 
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And also tell me, does the Holy Spirt lead people to do false accusations? Which I have shown proof you did, no, so it is a wrong spirit that is leading you to do that, in those cases.

And am I perfect, no, we all are wrong at times.

And were I may be wrong, sorry on that.
 
If you truly did, then you'd be in a good mood and want to share it with more of the church. I'm not some lost non-Christian on here to cause problems.
It has absolutely nothing to do with this at all.

If the Spirit leads me to film when I am speaking in tongues, then it will have to be in a moment when I am doing so, and I do not like to just film something , just to show off how I can speak in tongues, i care about doing things the right way, and doing so by his leading.

If the Spirit directs, I will do so, if not I will not.

Just like if someone is lead to film a live sermon they are, and if not they are not, it is not about hiding something, in this case, I do not trust you to give fair judgment, and why would I take the chance of someone trampling on my video under their feet ?

That is truly how I feel about you right now, you do not even want a private chat to want to know me, which I tried.

So how do you expect someone to take you ? ? ?
 

Galatians 5:19–21 – Works of the Flesh


Paul lists behaviors that oppose the Spirit:


“The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity… hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy… Those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
So dissensions and factions are explicitly named as works of the flesh.


Titus 3:9–11 – Avoid Quarrels and Divisive People


“Avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them.”


1 Corinthians 3:3 – Jealousy and Quarreling


Paul rebukes the church for acting “worldly”:


“You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly?”


Romans 16:17 – Watch Out for Divisive People


“Watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.”

Mark 9:33–34

“They came to Capernaum. When he was in the house, he asked them, ‘What were you arguing about on the road?’ But they kept quiet because on the way they had argued about who was the greatest.”

I have to ask, why are we arguing here? What is the point? No one who continues to argue is led by the Spirit.
 
Absolutely, yes, every gift outlined in scripture is still in operation today and forever by the power of God through the precious Holy Spirit of God.
 
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