DoYouREALLYthinkThat? said:

Rev 3: 12- He who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God; never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name. 13-He who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit says to the churches.

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To God there is not only the Divine, but also the Human, and they make one in the Divine Person of the Lord Jesus Christ. But in the wording of the Word it is indeed appearing in some places, that the Divine and the Human are two, and yet they were made one in the Lord.

akolouthos said:

To God there is not only the Divine, but also the Human, and they make one in the Divine Person of the Lord Jesus Christ. But in the wording of the Word it is indeed appearing in some places, that the Divine and the Human are two, and yet they were made one in the Lord.

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Sounds like Double-Talk to me,
Or maybe Triple-Talk.
What to list more examples of; both in heaven and upon Earth, he told us he had a God?

DoYouREALLYthinkThat? said:

Sounds like Double-Talk to me,
Or maybe Triple-Talk.
What to list more examples of; both in heaven and upon Earth, he told us he had a God?

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Yes, indeed He did. And he was telling the Truth. But you need also to understand that the Word speaks in other places in such ways that it is clear that the Divine is not outside of the Lord, but in Him. How can it be? It can, for instance, consider how David says, addressing as it were an entity separate from him, my soul, "why have you forsaken Me".

So, the Lord indeed referred to the Father in such a way in some places, that it may seem as if that was a God separate from the Lord, but considering that the Lord was conceived and born of God, and God cannot be separated into the separate entities, so the Father was not outside of the Lord, but in Him, and of this the Lord is also teaching, and besides, in John 14:8–11, when the disciple Philip asks Jesus, "Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied."Jesus replies: "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don't know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father!"

Moreover, consider that the Lord says that all power in heaven and on earth was given to Him, which means that the ony only God as all power in His Divine Human.

So, it is correct to refer to the Divine, but at the same time it is useful to remember that the Son and Father are regularly taught to be one, and thus that the Divine and Human are not two, but one, thus our Lord Jesus Christ is Jehovah Himself in His Divine/Glorified Human, God and Man.

"the Lord was conceived and born of God"
Did God have a God?
GOD is a title- not a gender!

Heb 1:8 But to the Son He says: "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER; A SCEPTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM.
Heb 1:9 YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS MORE THAN YOUR COMPANIONS."

Curtis said:

Heb 1:8 But to the Son He says: "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER; A SCEPTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM.
Heb 1:9 YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS MORE THAN YOUR COMPANIONS."

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Heb 1:8- But of the son he says, “Thy throne, O God is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.​

9- Thou hast loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; [/COLOR]therefore God, thy God, has anointed thee with the oil of gladness beyond thy comrades.”​

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Footnotes : Hebrews 1:8 Or God is thy throne​

Now, due to the Greek, it can be translated BOTH ways! Guess which way Trinnies choose! ANNNNND, they have ONE God anointed ANOTHER God! That is polytheism WITH the Ghost_God!

to understand Jeus is God in the flesh is not something a human mind can comprehend without revelation from above. IMO

In other words, God alone gives us revelation we alone have no understanding. He gives it to some and with holds it from who he pleases.

Dave M said:

to understand Jeus is God in the flesh is not something a human mind can comprehend without revelation from above. IMO

In other words, God alone gives us revelation we alone have no understanding. He gives it to some and with holds it from who he pleases.

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In my view, the true revelation, or the truth from the above, explaining the Word in its own light, and confirmed by the Word, by the passages therefrom, can be understood.

DoYouREALLYthinkThat? said:

"the Lord was conceived and born of God"
Did God have a God?
GOD is a title- not a gender!

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If you think of God and the birth from Him merely naturally, like the case deals with the birth out of man and woman, then certainly it is impossible to understand. But we are told in the Word that Jesus was conceived and born of God, though out of Mary. So, it is not like with other men, and taking into account that God is not separated from whatever is born of Him (for otherwise there would be a few divinities), Jehovah was in the Lord as the Internal Man.

It would be impossible for God to come otherwise into the world, save via the Human of His Own.

Think of God not as of merely natural person, nor like of a material object in the universe, think of Him from the Divine attributes. Similarly, if one thinks of the Divine Human, or Human glorified, as the merely natural human of another person, then it is not possible to understand anything.

Dave M said:

to understand Jeus is God in the flesh is not something a human mind can comprehend without revelation from above. IMO

In other words, God alone gives us revelation we alone have no understanding. He gives it to some and with holds it from who he pleases.

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You MUST be a Clergyman to come up with that whopper!
He inspired the Bible to help us undestand!

akolouthos said:

If you think of God and the birth from Him merely naturally, like the case deals with the birth out of man and woman, then certainly it is impossible to understand. But we are told in the Word that Jesus was conceived and born of God, though out of Mary. So, it is not like with other men, and taking into account that God is not separated from whatever is born of Him (for otherwise there would be a few divinities), Jehovah was in the Lord as the Internal Man.

It would be impossible for God to come otherwise into the world, save via the Human of His Own.

Think of God not as of merely natural person, nor like of a material object in the universe, think of Him from the Divine attributes. Similarly, if one thinks of the Divine Human, or Human glorified, as the merely natural human of another person, then it is not possible to understand anything.

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That's exactly what the Jewish clergy thought!

John 5:20- This was why the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the sabbath but also called God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Jesus told them they were wrong- but they wouldn't listen!

Dave M said:

to understand Jeus is God in the flesh is not something a human mind can comprehend without revelation from above. IMO

In other words, God alone gives us revelation we alone have no understanding. He gives it to some and with holds it from who he pleases.

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That's the excuse almost EVERY religion uses!

DoYouREALLYthinkThat? said:

That's exactly what the Jewish clergy thought!

John 5:20- This was why the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the sabbath but also called God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

Jesus told them they were wrong- but they wouldn't listen!

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Consider how much they would have wanted to stone Him, should they have heard him saying that the Father, thus the Omnipotent, gave all the power in heaven and on earth to the Lord! Not just a bit of power, or some considerable amount, or very much, but all power!

And remember how much they wanted to stone Him when He said that "before Abraham was I am".

However, at that time the Lord's Human was not glorified (and thus it was told: "The Holy Spirit was not yet, because Jesus was not yet glorified), but after the Human was made Divine, then the Divine and Human was completely one in the Lord.

akolouthos said:

Consider how much they would have wanted to stone Him, should they have heard him saying that the Father, thus the Omnipotent, gave all the power in heaven and on earth to the Lord! Not just a bit of power, or some considerable amount, or very much, but all power!

And remember how much they wanted to stone Him when He said that "before Abraham was I am".

However, at that time the Lord's Human was not glorified (and thus it was told: "The Holy Spirit was not yet, because Jesus was not yet glorified), but after the Human was made Divine, then the Divine and Human was completely one in the Lord.

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Wha------!