Christ4Ever said:

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Wow, didn't expect this in a Nephilim thread, thanks for sharing. What a testimony.

KingJ said:

I merely quoted your line of thinking.

Where is your rebuttal to my post # 68, I see you have gone silent on defending your accusation that I was lying. Maybe that has something to do with you and I not able to have a friendly discussion?

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Because its not worth replying to.

Every single one of your arguments that sin is not what condemns is an out of context situation.

You're inventing a a new gospel to preach that almost everyone goes to heaven unless they are totally depraved, and under the age of 20 everyone is forgiven by default because they aren't an adult.

whats your real motivation for this? no one in the church history has taught such a thing except for the universalists.

did you forget that Jesus said "the way is narrow and few find it"?

i know of a woman who twisted hundreds of bible verses to say that Jesus is going to be born again of a virgin, raptured with the church at 3.5 years of age, and return at age 7 after the tribulation to rule over the nations with an iron rod.

-what evil nations will exist after the tribulation that need to be ruled over with an iron rod?

-she, like yourself, can twist the bible to say anything you want, but you can't get around some of the simpler things Jesus said.

joestue said:

Because its not worth replying to.

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There is nothing more worth replying to. If you honestly believe someone is teaching falsely you must correct them. Or at least try.

The secret to debate is to remember always that scripture correct scripture. You have false teaching because people cherry pick scriptures and when confronted with ''further'' scripture that provides context, they stick their heads in the ground like an ostrich.

This is what we learn firsthand from Jesus in the wilderness being tested by the devil (Matt 4). "'It is also written, don't tempt God''.

joestue said:

Every single one of your arguments that sin is not what condemns is an out of context situation.

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That's your opinion until you prove it.

joestue said:

You're inventing a a new gospel to preach that almost everyone goes to heaven unless they are totally depraved, and under the age of 20 everyone is forgiven by default because they aren't an adult.

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You are merely showing me that you do not properly read posts before you reply.

This is not my belief. You would have to quote me.

joestue said:

that almost everyone goes to heaven unless they are totally depraved,

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Your reading skills my friend, they are truly shocking. The point being made in post # 68 is that only when an evil person is sold out to a love of evil / completely beyond hope of true repentance, will God send them to a fiery punishment. I hope this is a minority, but scripture teaches the opposite.

joestue said:

and under the age of 20 everyone is forgiven by default because they aren't an adult.

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Mentally handicapped and all under twenty are exempt from judgment. That is not the same as 'forgiven'. God is impartial. It is only a matter of time before those exempt will, just like everyone else, also receive time and space to exercise their true free will. Rev 20:3 teaches this.

joestue said:

whats your real motivation for this? no one in the church history has taught such a thing except for the universalists.

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Nobody has so terribly misread one of my posts before.

joestue said:

did you forget that Jesus said "the way is narrow and few find it"?

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No.

joestue said:

i know of a woman who twisted hundreds of bible verses to say that Jesus is going to be born again of a virgin, raptured with the church at 3.5 years of age, and return at age 7 after the tribulation to rule over the nations with an iron rod.

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She sounds crazy. She would lose a scripture based debate.

joestue said:

-what evil nations will exist after the tribulation that need to be ruled over with an iron rod?

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That is a very good question and the answer is very simple. None that exist right now. It will be new nations and people. If you have studied the book of revelations you will know that that seven year period of great tribulation is one of the harshest filtering processes of wicked people that has ever been done and will ever be done. Only two types of people escape the tribulation. Either True saints ready for heaven or pure wicked people ready for hell.

joestue said:

-she, like yourself, can twist the bible to say anything you want, but you can't get around some of the simpler things Jesus said.

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It is because many twist scripture that debate is so important. And no, there is a massive difference between her and I. She would easily lose a debate. I don't believe I would. I wouldn't know, you have yet to challenge the fifty scriptures and sound logical argument I gave you.

Let's step back and think about the argument you are trying to raise, logically. By disagreeing with me, you are implying that God can and will send any and every person that simply makes any mistake of sin off to ETERNAL PUNISHMENT where there is FIRE, DARKNESS, and WEEPING and GNASHING of teeth. That sounds like a very emotionally unstable and unjust God. Is that your view of God?

KingJ said:

This is not my belief. You would have to quote me.

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exempt from judgement is the same as being forgiven, which means you go to heaven, not hell.

again, you're inventing new classifications of things that have no basis in logic or scripture.

joestue said:

exempt from judgement is the same as being forgiven, which means you go to heaven, not hell.

again, you're inventing new classifications of things that have no basis in logic or scripture.

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Joestue, are you for real? Did you miss this explanation?

joestue said:

and under the age of 20 everyone is forgiven by default because they aren't an adult.

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Mentally handicapped and all under twenty are exempt from judgment. That is not the same as 'forgiven'. God is impartial. It is only a matter of time before those exempt will, just like everyone else, also receive time and space to exercise their true free will. Rev 20:3 teaches this.

KingJ said:

Mentally handicapped and all under twenty are exempt from judgment. That is not the same as 'forgiven'. God is impartial. It is only a matter of time before those exempt will, just like everyone else, also receive time and space to exercise their true free will. Rev 20:3 teaches this.

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That is just not in the bible, you've put together a seemingly complete argument for it, but there is an equal argument to be made for a strict, you die once, you are resurrected into a new body once for righteousness, or a new body to be destroyed in hell. there is no intermediate purgatory or testing.

Everyone in this life is tested as appropriate for their age, life experience, information at the time of their decisions, etc. You seem to disagree with this by saying those who are "truly mentally ill" well. there are none. Now those who are substantially ill: They could be without sin, and thus, no need to be forgiven. Thus no need for judgement. They die, go see Jesus, and wait to arrive on the new earth.

Revelation 20:3 is releasing the tempter out upon the nations that exist at the end of the 1000 years. Onto a people who went their own way but were never tempted by outside spiritual forces, so they have to be tested one last time. why? because they are still living in ADAM's DNA, which is corrupt beyond understanding.

What you're saying rev 20:3 says, or rather inventing, is a doctrine that certain persons alive today will be tested accordingly in a new body on earth. That is not true: Only those who are born on earth during the 1000 years, or those who are resurrected if they were beheaded for their testimony of Christ will be on the earth. (these persons will not die again, living the entire 1000 years plus, and the purpose of them existing on the earth, is to prove by their existence to those who are born naturally, that there was a former time of great evil.)

Those who make it through the tribulation at the close of this age won't live past 120 perhaps, and they have no need to be tested again by the devil because they already were, in this generation. I don't have an opinion about if everyone born during the 1000 years will live to the end of that age. it seems some will not.

“Never again will there be in itan infant who lives but a few days,or an old man who does not live out his years;the one who dies at a hundredwill be thought a mere child;the one who fails to reach a hundredwill be considered accursed.

You and I, will not likely live to see the 1000 years in my opinion (now i do tend to think there's a possibility Jesus will return around 2033, but that is a distraction)

And so because of that, we will not be resurrected until after the 1000 years, and will arrive at the new heaven and earth.

Those alive at the end of the great war at the end of the 1000 years will either be raptured off this earth and arrive on the new earth, or this earth and heaven will be transformed into the new earth and heaven. its this latter interpretation that i agree with as does nt wright.

@backNforth

joestue said:

That is just not in the bible, you've put together a seemingly complete argument for it, but there is an equal argument to be made for a strict, you die once, you are resurrected into a new body once for righteousness, or a new body to be destroyed in hell. there is no intermediate purgatory or testing.

Everyone in this life is tested as appropriate for their age, life experience, information at the time of their decisions, etc. You seem to disagree with this by saying those who are "truly mentally ill" well. there are none. Now those who are substantially ill: They could be without sin, and thus, no need to be forgiven. Thus no need for judgement. They die, go see Jesus, and wait to arrive on the new earth.

Revelation 20:3 is releasing the tempter out upon the nations that exist at the end of the 1000 years. Onto a people who went their own way but were never tempted by outside spiritual forces, so they have to be tested one last time. why? because they are still living in ADAM's DNA, which is corrupt beyond understanding.

What you're saying rev 20:3 says, or rather inventing, is a doctrine that certain persons alive today will be tested accordingly in a new body on earth. That is not true: Only those who are born on earth during the 1000 years, or those who are resurrected if they were beheaded for their testimony of Christ will be on the earth. (these persons will not die again, living the entire 1000 years plus, and the purpose of them existing on the earth, is to prove by their existence to those who are born naturally, that there was a former time of great evil.)

Those who make it through the tribulation at the close of this age won't live past 120 perhaps, and they have no need to be tested again by the devil because they already were, in this generation. I don't have an opinion about if everyone born during the 1000 years will live to the end of that age. it seems some will not.

“Never again will there be in itan infant who lives but a few days,or an old man who does not live out his years;the one who dies at a hundredwill be thought a mere child;the one who fails to reach a hundredwill be considered accursed.

You and I, will not likely live to see the 1000 years in my opinion (now i do tend to think there's a possibility Jesus will return around 2033, but that is a distraction)

And so because of that, we will not be resurrected until after the 1000 years, and will arrive at the new heaven and earth.

Those alive at the end of the great war at the end of the 1000 years will either be raptured off this earth and arrive on the new earth, or this earth and heaven will be transformed into the new earth and heaven. its this latter interpretation that i agree with as does nt wright.

@backNforth

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You are derailing this thread. The thread title is Nephilim.

You and I had this same discussion a couple months back in another thread. Go find that thread and resuscitate it. You are making the same silly points and asking the same silly questions. For example, you say under twenty is my assumption, when Num 14:29 specifies God sparing those that age that were guilty of sin at a degree that warranted capital punishment for all who committed it and we have 17 verses clearly stating that God is impartial, 1 + 1 = 2. The only biblical argument one can make for an age of accountability is twenty and under.

Now if you want to discuss Rev 20:3 and what God does with children and mentally handicapped, open a new thread or find the last one and I will be glad to repeat myself to you. It is an important topic for discussion as getting it wrong can terribly misrepresent God as evil. Which is kind of what you are doing.

KingJ said:

For example, you say under twenty is my assumption, when Num 14:29 specifies God sparing those that age that were guilty of sin at a degree that warranted capital punishment for all who committed it and we have 17 verses clearly stating that God is impartial, 1 + 1 = 2. The only biblical argument one can make for an age of accountability is twenty and under.

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no, that's only for the specific circumstances that moses himself was in charge of at the time.

joestue said:

no, that's only for the specific circumstances that moses himself was in charge of at the time.

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You are failing at reading. Create a new thread if you want a serious discussion.

KingJ said:

Now if you want to discuss Rev 20:3 and what God does with children and mentally handicapped, open a new thread or find the last one and I will be glad to repeat myself to you. It is an important topic for discussion as getting it wrong can terribly misrepresent God as evil. Which is kind of what you are doing.

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again, no need to invent new theology.

KingJ said:

I am trying very hard to pick nice words to reply to you. You are failing at reading. Create a new thread if you want a serious discussion.

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or just admit moses did not speak for everyone

joestue said:

again, no need to invent new theology.

or just admit moses did not speak for everyone

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You are failing at reading. Create a new thread if you want a serious discussion.

also why are you awake at 2am pst? we often have to wait 2 days for your 4 thread 20 post rebuttle

KingJ said:

The thread title is Nephilim.

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yes, and the thread title for the person i am arguing with...

isn't nephilim. it may be something else.