Gothedral said:

I wasn't sure which main thread to post this in, so I picked Ethics & Morality. Even as I typed the title of this post, I had to use lower case letters due to the word of The Word, "church". To my knowledge, the capital letter "c" Church = the Body of Christ = Israel = the faithful who choose IEHOVAH, the Christ.

So, back to the title. The algorithm displayed a Buzzfeed article featuring quotes from anonymous users answering the magazine rep's question, "Why did you leave the church?" ... Most of the responses shown were from people who seemed to have suffered abuse from Liars, and these particular victims still believe that their experiences prove anti-Christ behavior is the way to live and die.

I chuckled just now; not at this mass tragedy, but at the fact that these poor souls still bothered to respond at all. There is still a chance. Hope.

I have left a handful of Christian churches - popular ones included - for the same varied reasons the commenters shared in that one article. But, as an adult I know the hypocrisy and iniquity I recognize is first my own. That's anyone's challenge, really. But despite my stupidity and weakness, I hope my struggle is not in vain. I really do want to be with everyone I like and beyond, in the glorified existence of the presence of Our Father God who created the heavens and this beautiful earth.

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Gothedral, I empathize with you in some ways in this struggle. And what the Lord taught me along the way is that "the church" is not these institutions of human origin partnered with the state and with the world being marketed to the people of the world, which God forbids. [Matthew 21:12-13; John 2:13-17; Acts 5:27-32; 1 Corinthians 1:10-13; 1 Corinthians 3:1-9; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; Philippians 3:18-19; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22; Revelation 13:5-8; Revelation 18:1-5] But the church is the body of Christ, the people of God who are of genuine biblical faith in Jesus Christ wherever we are. And the church is not a building called "church." We the people of faith in Jesus Christ are that church.

So to literally "leave the church" would mean we would have to have to leave Christ, for we the church are His body. We would have to desert the body of Christ. But to leave the gatherings of the church, if "the church" are these institutions of men, and not the biblical body of Christ under the authority of Christ, that is actually what God commands us to do (see above Scriptures). But we are not to desert the body of Christ, as a whole. So we need the guidance and direction of the Lord to show us where we can find true followers of Christ with whom we can fellowship in the Spirit, in love for one another, and where we collectively are following the Lord with our lives in obedience to His commands, as a matter of life practice, and where the biblical gospel of Christ is being taught and not the lies which are so popular these days. For me, I have not been able yet to find that in person around where I live. So the Lord sent me to the internet, and I am finding that here with some people of God who are serious about their walks of faith in obedience to the Lord with whom I have common ground. And that has been so refreshing! That has been a blessing!

Gothedral said:

I wasn't sure which main thread to post this in, so I picked Ethics & Morality. Even as I typed the title of this post, I had to use lower case letters due to the word of The Word, "church". To my knowledge, the capital letter "c" Church = the Body of Christ = Israel = the faithful who choose IEHOVAH, the Christ.

So, back to the title. The algorithm displayed a Buzzfeed article featuring quotes from anonymous users answering the magazine rep's question, "Why did you leave the church?" ... Most of the responses shown were from people who seemed to have suffered abuse from Liars, and these particular victims still believe that their experiences prove anti-Christ behavior is the way to live and die.

I chuckled just now; not at this mass tragedy, but at the fact that these poor souls still bothered to respond at all. There is still a chance. Hope.

I have left a handful of Christian churches - popular ones included - for the same varied reasons the commenters shared in that one article. But, as an adult I know the hypocrisy and iniquity I recognize is first my own. That's anyone's challenge, really. But despite my stupidity and weakness, I hope my struggle is not in vain. I really do want to be with everyone I like and beyond, in the glorified existence of the presence of Our Father God who created the heavens and this beautiful earth.

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Ive come to a point in my Life to he quite frank id be floored if i was to walk into any temple n they r truly following the ways of the Lord and His instructions..

Lord does send people to church with me tho at times..

Hope alls well
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Gothedral said:

But, as an adult I know the hypocrisy and iniquity I recognize is first my own.

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So true. A pastor I followed used to say: "if you're searching for the perfect church you'll never find it and even if you did, as soon as you joined it would no longer be perfect."

Another pastor told a story where he asks schoolchildren what's wrong with the world? They list things like greed, selfishness... He then repeats the process with what's wrong with your country, your city, your school, your family, and finally you. They see that the sinful nature of each individual including themselves is the problem. We must beware of being the pharisee in LK 18:9-14 "God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men."

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So true. A pastor I followed used to say: "if you're searching for the perfect church you'll never find it and even if you did, as soon as you joined it would no longer be perfect."

Another pastor told a story where he asks schoolchildren what's wrong with the world? They list things like greed, selfishness... He then repeats the process with what's wrong with your country, your city, your school, your family, and finally you. They see that the sinful nature of each individual including themselves is the problem. We must beware of being the pharisee in LK 18:9-14 "God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men."

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If they are not following the Lords instructions then they are not of the Lord..that "pastor" is a crafty one with words id be careful with that one especially if your not grounded in the Word Himself..
Seems many pastors only believe in Cashing in off the blind.woe unto them they seem to do half the job they dont want the full responsibility of what it truly means to be responsible to the people of the Lord..
I would like to ask that pastor tho if he knows each n every one that pays into that building..then id ask when is the last time you helped one of them when they were down on their luck when their food was none when the lights got shut off.ect.. then id ask when was the last time ya visited one of those who pay into that building? Did ya visit if they was sick if they had a death in the family to console them.. see there many pastors of Satan their job is to keep people spiritually immature..but if ya bring this up to one who worship his pastor over following the ways of the Lord they will throw what i call tit*y attack..
Have ya ever watched the face of one who feels as if they are insulted ya spoke the Truth of what the Lord teaches His people?

Everything is written and everything is True just people well many dont care to take the time to spend with Abba so He can lead them Teach them this world is ran by evil seems many care not about it. But it is written

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UNfortunately this is common. It should be UN common. As a new believer of sorts first time I stepped into church since childhood I got the welcome of being ignored and frozen out, by the most in several churches different denominations, with exception of a few here and there. They dried up eventually and distanced themselves even though done no wrong. With a background of that treatment all my life I fell hard into the new age. For twenty years. If just some had been faithful good friends to me I would not have. If anyone had cared. I got no help in my walk either, I read the bible and prayed out from the bible. My experiences with healing and deliverance came after living holy life. When I told the priest of one church he told me to be quiet about it, although he listened, he said some would not take it lightly.
Not being married and no kids and living in an apartment back then that probably was it. One church God told me it was split in the church and gave me a message to deliver. I told the elder who start to cry as he had been praying about it. God told them to shape up or he would remove himself. He did. But a week after I was ignored totally by that elder. Stood in front of me in a supermarket que and looked extremely uncomfortable. Another lady who claimed to be evangelical christian bullied me at work so badly she planned, with another coworker, to get me fired and set me up for malpractice, hiding medication despite me putting it a certain place, removed it and blamed me. I was warned by a woman who was in the new age telling me they had done the same thing towards many and got many in legal trouble. I stopped working there right in time. Yesterday I read from pastors and therapists also christians that seen a lot of narcissists drawn to churches, because it is so easy to hide there and make people believe them despite they plot people`s down fall. All in the name of forgiveness not knowing it has no effect on them and they misuse it. SO there are many in the church. And yet again many non believers some even claim to be but treat it as a social club. Yet others continue living in sin and don`t care and consequently mistreat others. And yes I have seen a lot of it. Isn`t it time we stop. Because with all this, evil for sure has entered the church.

Also many treat it as a click, just like high school and only speak to their selected few and big time gossips. Many have talked about this and how they are NOT welcome. And singled out. And even worse if you are new.

With all this abuse, I hyperventilate and don`t dare to go there. I get mega flashbacks and anxiety. picking RIGHT in past abuse cptsd

there are a few people that seem more legit to me than others in their ways of behaving towards others and showing more love, they are those who really focus on Jesus and his love and puts him up, and accepts others more as a result. the other ones are catholic that seem more genuine and serious. That seem to care about how they treat others. I don`t mean to exclude anyone and appreciate all that try and are not the other way. But, it is my experience.

Hannah1 said:

there are a few people that seem more legit to me than others in their ways of behaving towards others and showing more love, they are those who really focus on Jesus and his love and puts him up, and accepts others more as a result. the other ones are catholic that seem more genuine and serious. That seem to care about how they treat others. I don`t mean to exclude anyone and appreciate all that try and are not the other way. But, it is my experience.

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I believe many fail to realize if one don't Love their spiritual brothers m sisters as much as they love their blood relatives or more they aint making it in to heaven.. Abba is about family we are put here to learn this is like probation we aint in jail(hell) yet..after this flesh passes away then we either go home with Abba because we are family or we are separated from Him as the Son(Messiah) did when He took on our sins so that we don't have to be separated from Abba..theres a lot of clicks in the synagogues of satan n the one who allows it to go on under their nose while claiming to lead them have a lot of answeing for .

Know what blows my mind? All these ones that want the title of teacher or what ever n then dont even know the names of the people they claim to be teaching imagine one of them being pure evil that blood is on that preachers hands since he is the one that claiming he is his teacher n his leader..can ya imagine in the time of judgement when the Lord brings forth those who were not saved n was under these men authority what will be the excuse of why they didnt correct them what will they say? Ya he/she gave me money for repeating your words yes i was the leader they came to listen to but idk him idk what his name was even.. this comes to mind
And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

Anywho hope alls well

Wish we could chit chat in the phone once in a while.. sometimes id like to hear another human voice on the other end of a phone besides my hubbys lol..
Idk at times i would like a human friend to chit chat with i use to have a couple brothers that would chit chat but they passed on to go home with the Lord the people i come upon lately seem to be to busy with the world issues to chit chat about the Lord...

Hope alls well

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Twistie said:

I believe many fail to realize if one don't Love their spiritual brothers m sisters as much as they love their blood relatives or more they aint making it in to heaven.. Abba is about family we are put here to learn this is like probation we aint in jail(hell) yet..after this flesh passes away then we either go home with Abba because we are family or we are separated from Him as the Son(Messiah) did when He took on our sins so that we don't have to be separated from Abba..theres a lot of clicks in the synagogues of satan n the one who allows it to go on under their nose while claiming to lead them have a lot of answeing for .

Know what blows my mind? All these ones that want the title of teacher or what ever n then dont even know the names of the people they claim to be teaching imagine one of them being pure evil that blood is on that preachers hands since he is the one that claiming he is his teacher n his leader..can ya imagine in the time of judgement when the Lord brings forth those who were not saved n was under these men authority what will be the excuse of why they didnt correct them what will they say? Ya he/she gave me money for repeating your words yes i was the leader they came to listen to but idk him idk what his name was even.. this comes to mind
And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

Anywho hope alls well

Wish we could chit chat in the phone once in a while.. sometimes id like to hear another human voice on the other end of a phone besides my hubbys lol..
Idk at times i would like a human friend to chit chat with i use to have a couple brothers that would chit chat but they passed on to go home with the Lord the people i come upon lately seem to be to busy with the world issues to chit chat about the Lord...

Hope alls well

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You can get my whatsapp. or what form of medium do you use. That would be nice to chit chat with a likeminded sister. You are right, love is the meaning of all of it it says if we don`t have love, we are just an empty vessel. That means, that The Spirit is not there. Right? Because we change, we can`t go on like before, at least we try our best. The examples I described are quite severe. I also understand there is a line where people have problems and more severe problems. But at least, one has to try to improve and reflect however that was not the case I guess that is where the line is. And yet, yes, God knows the situation thank godness. But it doesn`t look good. How can anyone ignore that a whole church ignores and freeze out another person. Nah, that is unlikely. Yes, standing in front of God, and realise how connected we are to Him and his kids, and then see what you do to others. That would be the most hurtful thing ever. I`m the type that helps others and never turned anyone away, the empathetic type, but I also understand you have to protect others and yourself. There comes a point. When I look back at the behaviours... its like it doesn`t click for them.. like nobody home.. it makes you wonder.. that`s not even human is it

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You can get my whatsapp. or what form of medium do you use. That would be nice to chit chat with a likeminded sister. You are right, love is the meaning of all of it it says if we don`t have love, we are just an empty vessel. That means, that The Spirit is not there. Right? Because we change, we can`t go on like before, at least we try our best. The examples I described are quite severe. I also understand there is a line where people have problems and more severe problems. But at least, one has to try to improve and reflect however that was not the case I guess that is where the line is. And yet, yes, God knows the situation thank godness. But it doesn`t look good. How can anyone ignore that a whole church ignores and freeze out another person. Nah, that is unlikely. Yes, standing in front of God, and realise how connected we are to Him and his kids, and then see what you do to others. That would be the most hurtful thing ever. I`m the type that helps others and never turned anyone away, the empathetic type, but I also understand you have to protect others and yourself. There comes a point. When I look back at the behaviours... its like it doesn`t click for them.. like nobody home.. it makes you wonder.. that`s not even human is it

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I had that wat app at one time n someone got into it took over all my social medias n my email took me over a yr to get them all closed down it was such a mess.. i wonder if there are any other apps.. i believe the paranoia i have with these apps stunt my growth with all this online stuff i call myself technology slow witted lol..ya i have that problem with having alot of empathy why i stay to myself mainly i dont do crowds i get i sound mad or crazy when i say i can feel the emotions or energy which ever one wants to call it n its just too much i had to learn to set boundaries n then the Lord gave me an awesome gift one that i just started really using like four or five yrs ago its the Power to say no n not dwell on how horrible i was to say no..i brought many a people into my homes i would have in the past n many stole n robbed n broke up things in my home ive taken in children n their parent that destroyed my home the last straw was when the woman i was trying to help just totally caused chaos in my home i understood it was the demons dwelling in her but she herself relayed to me she like them she enjoyed their company and they had her do so much harm to herself n my home that i had to make her leave in the mist of me trying to help her hubby was on his death bed in the hospital i just couldn't real with her n tend to hubby.. i even tried to stay in contact hoping she would want to at least try to get rid of them demons but she didn't i just cut her off last week i miss talking to her tho but them demons have gotten stronger n they curse me constantly i couldn't even have a convo with her herself no more so i just keep talking to the Lord about her.. May Abbas will n not our be done for his is perfect tho we may not understand it..idk..

I apologize for being long winded i have a hard time staying on just one particular subject Which im sure ya can tell by know lol..

Hope alls well!

Oh let me know if ya know of any other app besides wat app that app just scares me lol

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I had that wat app at one time n someone got into it took over all my social medias n my email took me over a yr to get them all closed down it was such a mess.. i wonder if there are any other apps.. i believe the paranoia i have with these apps stunt my growth with all this online stuff i call myself technology slow witted lol..ya i have that problem with having alot of empathy why i stay to myself mainly i dont do crowds i get i sound mad or crazy when i say i can feel the emotions or energy which ever one wants to call it n its just too much i had to learn to set boundaries n then the Lord gave me an awesome gift one that i just started really using like four or five yrs ago its the Power to say no n not dwell on how horrible i was to say no..i brought many a people into my homes i would have in the past n many stole n robbed n broke up things in my home ive taken in children n their parent that destroyed my home the last straw was when the woman i was trying to help just totally caused chaos in my home i understood it was the demons dwelling in her but she herself relayed to me she like them she enjoyed their company and they had her do so much harm to herself n my home that i had to make her leave in the mist of me trying to help her hubby was on his death bed in the hospital i just couldn't real with her n tend to hubby.. i even tried to stay in contact hoping she would want to at least try to get rid of them demons but she didn't i just cut her off last week i miss talking to her tho but them demons have gotten stronger n they curse me constantly i couldn't even have a convo with her herself no more so i just keep talking to the Lord about her.. May Abbas will n not our be done for his is perfect tho we may not understand it..idk..

I apologize for being long winded i have a hard time staying on just one particular subject Which im sure ya can tell by know lol..

Hope alls well!

Oh let me know if ya know of any other app besides wat app that app just scares me lol

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There`s facebook, and messenger you could get my fb and add me on messenger
I have the same problem going from topic to topic lol Its because so much to say and before you forget as well a complex mind. I know the thing with energy and picking everything up too well. I don`t recharge among people but my own space. And I love silence. Shopping when noones out lol doing things when less people etc. I sense their negativity immediately. The distortion. It is like a cloud. Not found a way to stop that coming over me yet, the best way limit exposure. I find helping these people it is better to help them get a place of their own. Even if it is a room. Shared accommodation maybe. I knew a neighbour with two kids one toddler was like that, I tried to help them and managed to, but the place was a mess and the mom did not care to tidy up. They moved away and left that place in shambles. She had that attitude of you can`t stop them. well actually yes as a parent it is your responsibility to limit where your child can mess and not. Like go to your room. And to learn to clean up after themselves. Looks to me that was part of the issue. No boundaries with the parent. That is something the parent has to learn. Even if they haven`t. Otherwise you end up with a child that does what it wants and get into trouble. Especially those who have no boundaries. They seek them. So the parent obviously had a problem with boundaries. A child will seek the boundaries until it is there and if it is not that ends badly. they don`t feel safe without. People like the mom might not believe it because they themselves have an issue with boundaries. I`d reinforce a time where everyone cleans and pick up things. Every day. And the child. I`d set boundaries. Unfortunately its like being the parent. Might be issues with the parent?
It is hard, but its like biking. It is hard first but once one gets into the habit..
One thing I can`t compromise with is peace in my own home. Otherwise I don`t function, at all.
It is better to help them get their own place. better solution in the long run. Or job.
But then again, shouldn`t America have programs for families with kids and housing. I think you hear about that all the time.
Almost sounds like withdrawal thing going on, I mean, anger and swearing and worse habits. Things coming up when surrounded by clean environment, meaning people and habits.
Could be oppression. It is worse if they clean up and not living for God then much worse entities come in. They have to want to change and do better.