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Adoption, is it really worth it?

scofieldII

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Andre P. Derdeyn


Adoption is the legal act of permanently placing a child with a parent or parents other than the birth (or "biological", or "natural") mother or father. An adoption order has the effect of severing the parental responsibilities and rights of the birth parent(s) and transferring those responsibilities and rights to the adoptive parent(s).

There are several kinds of adoption, which can be defined both by effect - such as whether the adoption is open or closed - and/or by location and the origin of the child, such as domestic or international adoption. Each of these has its own features and rules.

However, beyond the initial placement of the child into adoption, there are continuing issues that surround adoption, such as identity, search and reunion, language use, media, and cultural views of adoption.


Adoption has traditionally served infants, but an increasing number of children today come to adoption from divorce and remarriage and from foster placement. Many of these children are well out of infancy and have memories of and even existing relationships with persons from their past. A sense of continuity is clearly important to a child's development. The biological parents' serving as an object of projection by the adoptive family and an object of mystery and fascination by the adoptive child are well known sources of clinical problems. These phenomena might exert less influence if some kind of contact between all three parties were maintained. Suggestions for changing adoption policy open the door to potentially destructive relationships and loyalty conflicts. On the other hand, there are reasonable questions as to how well current practices serve all children. It is time to further our understanding of the effects of current practice so that adoption might optimally meet the needs of these young people.

Would you rather adopt or have a child of your own?
 
I want a Foster home....
Its my desire to house all abused and unwanted kids......

Whoever I marry in the future have to be willing to adopt.

It's unfair that these kids are displaced, and most of the times are abused by adopted parents. I wanna share God's love with them.

My first child could be adopted...it doesn't matter to me
 
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Wow! What a powerful expression of willingness to sacrifice so that children can come to know Jesus.

SLE
 
I want a Foster home....
Its my desire to house all abused and unwanted kids......

Whoever I marry in the future have to be willing to adopt.

It's unfair that these kids are displaced, and most of the times are abused by adopted parents. I wanna share God's love with them.

My first child could be adopted...it doesn't matter to me


Amen sister rizen1......sharing God's love with them...love is the only way to mend these broken lives. May the Lord bless you in your desires to serve Him in this way...that young damaged lives may be saved.


...for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God: Ruth 1:16

Julia



 
However, beyond the initial placement of the child into adoption, there are continuing issues that surround adoption, such as identity, search and reunion, language use, media, and cultural views of adoption.


Are you saying there are problems?

If your heart has the capacity and the longing for, and is filled with love for a child,.......jump over the problems and proceed with the matter.

There is nothing in this whole world to compare with a baby/child/ in the home. A little person needing some love.....which you have and can give 24/7

Nothing lights up the homestead like a child
 
Well.

I would have to have a thus said the Lord, and strong witness of the Holy Ghost to even think about adoption. It just gets brighter and brighter as we stay on the path of God.

This should really be a will from God type of thing. It has nothing to do with all that other stuff.

We have taken children in for times, but it's never been my idea. The Lord deals with me on stuff like that. I mean really deals with me.

Stephen Said:
Nothing lights up the homestead like a child

I assume light, as in knocking over something and catching the house on fire.

WE are led by the Spirit of God, not by feelings.

God Bless All.

Jesus Is Lord.
 
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Adoption, Is It Worth It?

My oldest niece has three children - all girls, all under the age of ten - two of whom are adopted (one from China). With God's grace, she and her husband are molding a truly healthy family, a family held together by love. I've never asked her whether or not adoption is worth it because all I have to do is observe Mom and Dad interacting with those kids to know that the answer would be a resounding "Yes!"

SLE
 
yes its worth it. afterall we are all adopted by God. Through being redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ. Its not a matter of having a child or adopting, but a matter of giving love the way Christ did to us. =)
 
Andre P. Derdeyn]Would you rather adopt or have a child of your own?

Honestly, had I found myself unable to have any children of my own, I would adopt. Though in truth, having my own would be my first choice.

May God Bless You

Danielle
 
Are you saying there are problems?

If your heart has the capacity and the longing for, and is filled with love for a child,.......jump over the problems and proceed with the matter.

amen~I loved that Stephen!
 
I am one who was adopted, fostered into this family as an infant. There are many views I have regarding adoption and some may seem insencere to adopting families. But it deals with many insights of the reality from research and expereince. There are many different issues why adoptions occure and I cannot claim its all for good intent. Or Gods will. For one I want to start with adoptions from foriegn families. I do believe that the children being adopted from forien backgrounds should be prohibited. Though it may seem to be a kind gesture of the American people. And it feels right. I do not believe that a child should be taken from its culture or people of thier nationality.( This is not a prejudice statement I stand that God created all nationalities and are to be loved equally. And no , I am not against interelationships either.) - Moses did marry an Ethiopian and approved by God.- Numbers 12.
However to stray children away from their families of thier own national background. Should be forbidden. For the simple reason is. Is thats who they are. And their nationality should be valued. some my get caught up in thier feelings ."But what about the poor starving childrenwe can give a child a better life. A hope." I can assure you this is not the way. And not of God.
Next, Those families who deny responsiblity for maybe a cousin, a brother/sister, an aunt., grandmother, ect. if say the child is not taken care of properly, should not even be allowed.
In observation of past principle, concerning Jewish law. If a womans husband dies. and the brother did not take on responsiblity on caring for the woman and their family. They were to take the brother in law to court and if he still refuses, is to spit in his face and it be counted a shame to that man. No I don't suggest widowed women go marry their briother in - law. My point is. Is that families should take their own responsiblities to their families. And the thing is, is their not. They will deny the burdon for themsleves to live a comfortable life. My view was on law. And what influences they have on people according to what society accepts.
- One day I walked into a police station and on the wall it talks about permission leaving an unwanted child there. Saying, " No shame, no blame, no name." They do not take responsiblity for an unwanted child." They don't bear any shame for abandoning a child. WHY?
Though I can understand the purpose and its intention for this law. Such as, preventing child abuse, preventing babies being left in dumpters, and such. Personally I think things only got worse.
Where is the teaching of valuing life. Is it that if we are taught to value life that the reality of a God just can't be seperated from that.
People just trying to make things easier. Isn't always the way.
I am not one who is unaware of babies being born on drugs, by prostitutes, ect. I see it all the time in this area. And the things I've seen and heard over the years. Has been appauling.
In learning things in my ministry I spoke to this woman who boasted in drugs , them not knowing who I was. They stood there boasting on how their children was well taken care of and healthy. She had approx. 5 children. And how the last time she was pregnate she was running from the police in crack houses. So she can get her high. I wound up crying and getting into a disputed arguement. She justified it making excuses saying, well I'm a drug addict. I replied and said, No, your just selfish. Her dad takes care of her children, sounds like an oppositional delema. Can a solution be found in the back and white letter of the law. No. I myslef was adopted into a family who called themsleves Christain. Abandoned by them at the age of nine to another part of the family their parents who fostered a number of children. Most of thier abuses reported by them happened not in their home, but in foster homes, a couple of families one in particular who I befriended most of my life wound up in there, simply because the mother wound up homeless. Later wound up going through a nervous breakdown, because of ridicules and lack of support. But she wouldn't leave her children. And at the end years of thier life taken away from eachother. Is happier with their mother at the latter, than they have ever been. With amny years lost. Her husband was there with his child. Who his new wife and half sister of their had a secure life. a mother. And even though he seemed to be a supporting dad. And to their children. Then where was he? When the mother of their children were seperated and struggling. Kindness can be selfish. There is such a thing as blind kindness. Don't stop being kind, but don't be blind. What did Cain say." am I my brothers keeper?"
Today, children are amde to make the descisions. Adults are playing children and thier families against eachother. For the most part I don't believe children should be separated from their mother, their fmailies. And for some cases they must be. But who is to say these children are up for grabs like puppies in a window. Because of what one feels.
Males who or fight for custody. Well, guess what were you designed to nuture or nurse a child.
When a man or woman lie down together, guess what your married. Certificate or not.
How come it is when a couple produces a child the man can walk away and not be charged with neglect?
Leavin the fmaily to struggle and when the mother is left alone to care for her children. Theres hardly ever any support from many families. ( support and help doesn't mean taking their place because of weakness. )
Theres a lot of issues revolving around the growing issues of parentless children and adoption.
Yes its recognized that some have no family or known family. And most of those people will be the isolated(the vulnerable) many of them under the prison of the system.
And the wrong pupose that has been accepted with laws of Adoption.
The denial of the knowledge of Life and God promotes these things, and yes even abortion.
THE DENIAL OF LIFE...
People are allowed to give away children because of defomaities, sufferings, sickess, convenience, poor, ect.
And this is encouraged by the government.
Any questions or answers to why our nation is suffering.
One nation under God? hmmm
What is it really under?
I find it hard to isolate some things down to one catagory. When all the chaos is all connected.
The center problem isn't adoption. Its just a symptom.
Yes, there are many children happy with their families and may be a genuine witness to that. And there are many caring families who want to give children love. And have a lot of love to give. But what is being justifed under things that are not seen. What realites are we denying, if we just look at the positive. Not suggesting to be pessamistic either.
 
Yes, there are many children happy with their families and may be a genuine witness to that. And there are many caring families who want to give children love. And have a lot of love to give. But what is being justifed under things that are not seen. What realites are we denying, if we just look at the positive. Not suggesting to be pessamistic either.

Can i adpot? I want to adopt three girls.
 
you ask, can you adopt? My response was to look at the various points and people should consider, not what they want. But if one is in their life. What is best for them? I do not know the situation of the children who is being adopted. 1)Are you a fmaily member? 2)do they have any family. 3)Is adopting them going to take away from the family that is theres.' 4)will it take away from who they are. Theres no one command for it ..The thing is ..Is that what kind of love do people make these choices by. Someone can love children and want to adopt them. And those children love them in return. Love isn't that warm fuzzy feeling. Alone just enjoying someones company, and they bring a smile on your face. If one can't see beyond those emotions of it. Its a bliss. People in adoption compare their life to the life they would come from. Love also has sight. If I go to anothe coutry and pick out someones child because they live in a shack and them being there, will probably result in illness or poverty. And their mother or father is struggling to survive. I would have to say though I would hurt and long to give that child a healthy home, clean clothes, and a better education. I'm not really seeing the reality in love. Which comes wisdom, knowledge and understanding. And love would be that that child has a family. ( So one may ask, what if that family doesn't want the child or they are to much. It just shows what lack of values the country is dying from. and how long are we going to justify it.) ... I'm not that family. And in that I am not truely doing it in love. Because, I put poverty and the material world. Of first priority above family struggles and values. I can't tell you to or not. I can only say. Look around you. I do not know if you are a family member or not. Sometimes the best choices we must make is painful. But sometimes its the right thing. If they have family. It needs to be brought to them. No matter who they are. If there is no family. Then it should be a last option. But whatever happens, if one does adopt. Always be honest and acknowledge and be supportive. And never belittel their true parents. There will always be a connection to them. If that child desires their parent, even over you. You must love them on that condition.
 
I am one who was adopted, fostered into this family as an infant. There are many views I have regarding adoption and some may seem insencere to adopting families. But it deals with many insights of the reality from research and expereince. There are many different issues why adoptions occure and I cannot claim its all for good intent. Or Gods will. .

I will agree that not all adoptions are with good intentions. And there are some adoptee’s who have bad experiences. Some parents start with fostering to adoption just for a paycheck and medical care until they are of age and do not provide adequate raising. However, not for the true Christian whom has the heart and has been called BY God to adopt. I believe that God puts in on a husband and a wife’s heart to adopt and where to adopt from. He then equips us with giving up our lives to guide, teach and love on another. God does teach us about adoption in scripture. Aren’t we all adopted by God? (Ephesians 1:3-6)

For one I want to start with adoptions from foriegn families. I do believe that the children being adopted from forien backgrounds should be prohibited. Though it may seem to be a kind gesture of the American people. And it feels right. I do not believe that a child should be taken from its culture or people of thier nationality.( This is not a prejudice statement I stand that God created all nationalities and are to be loved equally. .

I don’t agree as we have adopted a little boy from Vietnam. He was in a very poor orphanage and from a poor family who could not pay the taxes on the child. I see no problem with parents who, led by God, adopt from other countries. Especially since 90% of the Christian parents who do adopt, keep the child’s heritage a reality and make it possible to give the child an opportunity to have the option to meet their birth parents. The possibilities are endless ..

Now, our story is actually not your typical story. My husband and I didn’t choose to adopt from Vietnam, but my sister in law did. She died several months after, and we were asked if we would readopt him for several reasons. We prayed about the adoption, and we both knew right off the bat in our spirit, and following with many confirmations including provision, that this was right for us.

And no , I am not against interelationships either.) - Moses did marry an Ethiopian and approved by God.- Numbers 12. However to stray children away from their families of thier own national background. Should be forbidden. For the simple reason is. Is thats who they are. And their nationality should be valued. some my get caught up in thier feelings ."But what about the poor starving childrenwe can give a child a better life. A hope." I can assure you this is not the way. And not of God. .

Moses was adopted. (Exodus 2:10) How can you say that this was not of God? What about Samuel? (1 Samuel 1) There are even non-Christian parents who adopt and provide stable environments which is no different than that of a non-Christian family who has their own children.

For us personally, we are going to provide our little boy with education on his nationality, his country, even to learn the language where he came from so he can one day have the opportunity to go back to his home village and speak to his family if God leads him there. The majority of children adopted from other countries are not because the parents are seeking an American (or other) family to adopt. These children are in orphanages, not well cared for.

If you feel that adoption is wrong, then you might as well feel as if all the outreach centers in Africa, Haiti, China, etc… are wrong as well… We are called as Christians to reach up, and reach out. We are to look to God for guidance and give what He has given to us. If you feel that adoption is wrong, it may be wrong for you, but not wrong for someone else. And to encourage people not to adopt based on experience or opinion when it is clearly supported by God is wrong. There are no stipulations on adoption. Well, you can adopt if... You can only accept someone elses child if.... If one is equipped financially, emotionally there should be no doubt. I have family who has adopted as well who are not "Christians" but absolutely LOVE those children and has provided them with a wonderful life. Me, as the "Christian" family member, has opportunity to plant the seed as a witness of Jesus Christ.

Next, Those families who deny responsiblity for maybe a cousin, a brother/sister, an aunt., grandmother, ect. if say the child is not taken care of properly, should not even be allowed. In observation of past principle, concerning Jewish law. If a womans husband dies. and the brother did not take on responsiblity on caring for the woman and their family. They were to take the brother in law to court and if he still refuses, is to spit in his face and it be counted a shame to that man. No I don't suggest widowed women go marry their briother in - law. My point is. Is that families should take their own responsiblities to their families. And the thing is, is their not. They will deny the burdon for themsleves to live a comfortable life. My view was on law. And what influences they have on people according to what society accepts.

I totally agree with you that family needs to step up to the plate. We did. Esther was an orphan who was adopted by her cousin Mordecai. And, what about when Isreal (aka Abraham) Gave his two son’s to their brother Jacob (Genesis 48).
As for society, well, it depends on where you live honestly. I know plenty of adoptive families who have raised functional adoptees who are assets to society. If we based our choices on what "society" accepts, that alone in and of itself will engulf one away from God and their calling in life 100%. Yes, there will always be issues. Whether one is adopted, fat, scrawny, black, white, tall, short, rich or poor.


- One day I walked into a police station and on the wall it talks about permission leaving an unwanted child there. Saying, " No shame, no blame, no name." They do not take responsiblity for an unwanted child." They don't bear any shame for abandoning a child. WHY?
Though I can understand the purpose and its intention for this law. Such as, preventing child abuse, preventing babies being left in dumpters, and such. Personally I think things only got worse. Where is the teaching of valuing life. Is it that if we are taught to value life that the reality of a God just can't be seperated from that.People just trying to make things easier. Isn't always the way. .

You have a great contradiction here. You say that you don’t agree with most adoptions, but yet isn’t adoption valuing life? Because of people’s selfishness, foolishness and walk in life with out God, there are terrible people out there who just leave these children. I think it is with great honor that God’s children rise up to the responsibility and lead these little lost souls to Him and provide them an avenue to a relationship with our Lord instead of being left for dead and not having a chance, or being raised in a drug infested, unhealthy neglectful type home.

I am not one who is unaware of babies being born on drugs, by prostitutes, ect. I see it all the time in this area. And the things I've seen and heard over the years. Has been appauling.In learning things in my ministry I spoke to this woman who boasted in drugs , them not knowing who I was. They stood there boasting on how their children was well taken care of and healthy. She had approx. 5 children. And how the last time she was pregnate she was running from the police in crack houses. So she can get her high. I wound up crying and getting into a disputed arguement. She justified it making excuses saying, well I'm a drug addict. I replied and said, No, your just selfish. Her dad takes care of her children, sounds like an oppositional delema. Can a solution be found in the back and white letter of the law. No. I myslef was adopted into a family who called themsleves Christain. Abandoned by them at the age of nine to another part of the family their parents who fostered a number of children. Most of thier abuses reported by them happened not in their home, but in foster homes, a couple of families one in particular who I befriended most of my life wound up in there, simply because the mother wound up homeless. Later wound up going through a nervous breakdown, because of ridicules and lack of support. But she wouldn't leave her children. And at the end years of thier life taken away from eachother. Is happier with their mother at the latter, than they have ever been. With amny years lost. Her husband was there with his child. Who his new wife and half sister of their had a secure life. a mother. And even though he seemed to be a supporting dad. And to their children. Then where was he? When the mother of their children were seperated and struggling. Kindness can be selfish. There is such a thing as blind kindness. Don't stop being kind, but don't be blind. What did Cain say." am I my brothers keeper?"

I am sorry that you had a bad experience. Only God can heal your heart and your mind from that. I imagine it infuriates you to no end (as it does myself also) to see what that lady did with all those kids on drugs, or even on a personal level, all you went through yourself. However, to say that it is wrong, or it is being blind is an unfair statement. What about all the good that have come out of adoptions? What about all the other ministers and outreach centers that were created in an adoptee’s country where souls are being reached for Jesus because a nice Christian family felt the tugging at their hearts to adopt?
Everyone has struggles. No matter if they are Christian or not. We will have struggles as adoptive parents with all our 4 children, it’s called life. It is a daily effort to keep our hearts right and keep our eye on the prize and take the awesome responsibility of caring for “GOD’S” children (adopted or fostered or our own biological) and do what God has called us as parents to do.

Today, children are amde to make the descisions. Adults are playing children and thier families against eachother. For the most part I don't believe children should be separated from their mother, their fmailies. And for some cases they must be. But who is to say these children are up for grabs like puppies in a window. Because of what one feels.
Males who or fight for custody. Well, guess what were you designed to nuture or nurse a child.
When a man or woman lie down together, guess what your married. Certificate or not.
How come it is when a couple produces a child the man can walk away and not be charged with neglect?
Leavin the fmaily to struggle and when the mother is left alone to care for her children. Theres hardly ever any support from many families. ( support and help doesn't mean taking their place because of weakness. )
Theres a lot of issues revolving around the growing issues of parentless children and adoption.

I see here that the built up anger towards deadbeat parents have help aid you in your opinion about this topic. I am just as angry and wish that I could borrow the hand of God to pound out all the stupidity these parents walk in. No, it’s not ignorance, it’s plain stupidity. These are not valid reasons not to adopt. As a matter of fact, these would be reasons TO adopt.

Yes its recognized that some have no family or known family. And most of those people will be the isolated(the vulnerable) many of them under the prison of the system.
And the wrong pupose that has been accepted with laws of Adoption.
The denial of the knowledge of Life and God promotes these things, and yes even abortion.
THE DENIAL OF LIFE...
People are allowed to give away children because of defomaities, sufferings, sickess, convenience, poor, ect.
And this is encouraged by the government.
Any questions or answers to why our nation is suffering.
One nation under God? hmmm
What is it really under?
I find it hard to isolate some things down to one catagory. When all the chaos is all connected.
The center problem isn't adoption. Its just a symptom.
Yes, there are many children happy with their families and may be a genuine witness to that. And there are many caring families who want to give children love. And have a lot of love to give. But what is being justifed under things that are not seen. What realites are we denying, if we just look at the positive. Not suggesting to be pessamistic either.

This goes in every aspect of life, not just adoption. See, a handful of bad adoptive parents give the whole adoption a bad name. One person’s bad experience will determine the minds of those who have a heart to adopt. You cannot isolate anything to one category without connecting everything that is chaotic.
No matter what you look at, we are, as Christians, fighting the good fight. This includes adoption, sponsorship, giving, reaching out to a family in need to lead and education them in the things of the Lord and plant seeds into the lives of those who need to know God’s love. This is why we as Christian are called walk with character, integrity, love. Lead by example, be held accountable, and not stand in judgment of others.
I could write so much more, but it’s late.
Be Blessed,
Cathi~
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Well I veiw some of your writings to be sincere in heart. And I also want to add. That I have never in my statements ruled out all adoption. Matter of fact if I recall coreectly. I did give indication where people don't have a choice but to adopt. That is not the principle of the message I was getting out.

You have seemd to make unjust defences to stand on your ground. And might I add. I do not see you as a wicked person or something for adopting.
That is not the point of the principle.

The thing is you have sated that you adopted from an orphange. I did make a statement that if they do not have family they should be adopted. I am not against that. There was nothing in my article at all that implied any relation of chidlren without family should remain in some orphanage or something.

Next. Using campartive areguements such as...

" If you feel that adoption is wrong, then you might as well feel as if all the outreach centers in Africa, Haiti, China, etc… are wrong as well…"

This is not of my spirit and an unjust defence on your part. This is not the same eqiuivalnece in comparison. It does not have the same princliple.

Because I am not against outreach...At all. I am against people going out and outreaching; blindly with no knoweledge of Gods will in that outreach mininstry. Not knowing the things of God.

We also need ot be careful not to use scriputre and take it out of context to adjust it to our feelings with no relation to the insight to the truth.
The pupose of Moses being given and sent down river. Well for one. Is because he was chosen by God and predestined for this purpose, to save Moses.
Moses wasn't put up for adoption. The children were ordered by the Pharoh to be murdered; thrown into the River. To take and misuse scriputre to take out of context to justify a feeling isn't based on truth or Gods will. Next. Moses was used and placed in Egypt in Gods plan to free a the Hebrew people from the bondage of the cruitlies of Egypt.


And that is one of the points I make about people doing things based on feeling.
The idea of what I have heard so many times. Of adopting to give a child a better life and give more opurtunities because the family is poor and from a poorr village. According to the ideas of man. Is deisgraceful.
To take a child away from parents because they are poor. Is not of God.
and devalues Gods design of family. People are conving poor viallges and having people get all feeling based. As though they can love the children more and do more for the children than thier own families.

Yes, I have seen that you exporessed your situation different from that. And that the child was in an orphanage. So its not based on the same principle.
The problem is from your testimony the laws of thier dwelling. Are putting children in orphanges because the family were poor and could not pay the taxes on them. And I think you..for that. you do have a testimony of what goes on. But the problem isn't the family. But the evils of an unjust government.
The Chirstain faith isn't the ones to give these children a home. But the Christain faith is to traget the unjustness of the ways of a goverment. Instead of clipping off the ends of thier practice.
The thing is. When people only go to adopt the children. and do nothing else, these people are only feeding this evil practice. It wil only justify and grow thier ways.
In these practices its only a way for thier practice to make a market out of the families children.
They set up a law as you expressed, hold the children in an orphange and make money from them. Many people are adopting children in this coutry and other places to families.
And they had a family. They feed the adoptees some story. They fell pity. and they have a child.
This is happening all over in the coutries.

YES, THE TRUE CHRISTAIN FAITH SHOULD STP ANY USE OF ANYONE MAKING ANY MONEY OFF OF ANY CHILD AND THE ABUSE OF ADOPTION.
People Are fostering and adopting in our own coutry just for the money. Or feeling based motives.

The law is by God. Is that families are repsonsible for thier own families.
Peoples thinking has changed anf justifed and devlaued human life and many children are being born just being adopted. BECAUSE THEY HAVE REFUSED THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD AND ACCPETED THE LAWS/DOTRINES OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF MAN.


To take a child away from thier culture people and thier herrtige is an abomibnation against God.
NO, I do not speak against outreach and helping families of other people. BUT NOT TAKING THIER CHIDREN.
AND THEN THEY COME UP WITH. OH WELL THERE IS OPORTUNITY, THEY CAN SEE THIER PARENTS AND MEET THEM.

WE AS CHIRSTAINS FIGHT THE TRUE GOOD FIGHT. OF PRINCIPLE...

FALSE KNOWLEDGE AND CONFUSION WIL GROW IF ONE DOES NOT ATTACK FLASE WAYS OF MAN AND LAWS OF GOVERNMENT ...BY TRUE KNOWLEDGE...THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD.
Christains are given the ways of the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and the knowledge of the prophets.

Ephesians 6:12
For we do not wrestle agsint flesh and blood, but agsint principalities, agsint powers agsint the rulers of darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wicheness, in the heavenly places.

I speak by knowledge and experience. I speak by truth. AND WHAT GOD HAS GIVEN ME.

THE TESTIMONY OF WHAT I SPEAK AND THE KNOWLEDGE I HOLD IS GIVEN TO ME BY GOD. I SPEAK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AND AGAINST WHAT IS EMOTIONALLY MOTIVATED WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE.
An opinion isn't a testimony of authority.
and we also must be careful not to twist the princilpe of what is written in the bible hwich was asked to be recorded for knowledge of who he is to the human race.
We also must be careful not to view it from the mind of the World. And the false ways the world has accepted by the traditions of man that is destructive to humanity.

By the way . The fmaily I was adopted into. Were church members. Thier motives for adoption. Was because they lost 2 children. And what you yourslef imlpied about my parents..was from lack of knowledge.
My dad was a nice guy. By the way. He was just a little nieve. They were church goers.and I grew up in private school half my life and always in church. Unfortuntely my adopted parents were sleepers. The adopted Dad. Was a nice guy and worked hard. He was manipulted by his wife. When he went bank rupt. The family split up and the 2 of us who were adopted out of the 3. Were sent to Jersey with thier parents. Who were foster parents. Of many children. The parents I had . Who I thought were my parents. Were all of a sudden no longer a parent. and I became I foster child in the same fmaily I thought were my real family. As I was sent to the mothers parents place. They had many foster children some long term and some short term here and there. I heard all thier testimnoies and stories and thier stories from being in other foster homes. Going through a lot of them before coming there. And the thing is. They just wanted to go home. And thier life was so much worse than it was in thier own home. Just because a couple of them were poor or struggling. So the grandparents. They were also church members lead the youth group, We were in church every Sun. Mornng night and weekdays and in Christian school. They manipualted my Dad. And he had no idea I was there. He was sent to Jersey to look for a job. Because that waht they told him. And he thougfht I was stil in GA. With the rest of my brothers and sisters. By the way. They had 2 children biologically after they adopted us. Anyway.

Aside form all the experinces and knowledge of the testimony from all these children. In the adoption system.
My refute is not only based on just these stories. And not only from my own personal experience.
I study culture.
Gods law.
humnity.
And traces of black marteting children.
The laws that cause the chaos and the state .
Also I have befriedned a woman who in like exsperince.
And this womans child was taken and put up for adoption simply because she was Abused. And got depressed. And they told her. That her child would have a better life without her. Which is happening all over.
They didn't help her.
They just took her child.
You say , Well 90% of people who adopt ( or in the same forster system)are Christian.
Really. Because about more than half of them are abused and maltreated or used for many purposes. Moeny, making a name for themsleves. Family labor. Servants. Or feeling based like in comparisons of people who say awe I want a puppy...And then after the joy is gone. And they don't get as much attention anymore. So the same reaction happens...

Of course there are lovely people who are good caretakers. Who love thier adopted as thier own and the same for the children. but some of them have no business having them. And the parents I am sure have good intent. Some of them.
But I am not goingot justify adoption by it.
I know there are abusicve fmailies and another reason to seprate from the parent. I don't speak against that.
Adoption is not the answer to the problem that is occuring. Adoption is bieng abused and becoming like a pet store.
And that is the truth.
I look at things as a whole. Concenring the people the nations the world.
All I know is that meteralistic places. Loom at poverty and say and look at other peoples children and say. I can give that child a better life then thier parents can.
THIS IS NOT THE CHRISTAIN FAITH. IT IS NOT CHIRSTAIN INSIGHT. IT IS NOT CHRISTAIN KNOWLEDGE.

So on another note. We Christains don't go around making up things about people either. On things we do not know. No I do not have built up nager on dead beat parents.
Because my Dad wasn't a dead beat thak you very much.

I speak to give awareness of principle.
Yuor discernment and judgement toward me has been completely wrong.

No matter what you feel may be. It is wrong to adopt someone out of thier culture country and isolate them from thier people.
Yes, I do pray you care and other love and care for the children they adopt. You can't confuse them and just try to undo what is done. Because you can't undo a path.
Laws should be changed. That what I am saying.
Yes, It is ungodly to take children from thier parents because of poverty or related issues. People who adopt adopt on puppy love emotions. And it is quite selfish.
But your testimny does not line up with that.
but as Christians people should of made a big effort to stop these things from happening.

I DO NOT SPEAK OFF OF NAGER. I SPEAK OFF OF KNOWLEDGE.
And also ...everyone who is Christain has an anger of unjustlness going on in the world. The true Christain...Seeks to do something. About the dark principlaity relying on the knowledge of God.

Aside form all that.
Israel is not known as Abraham.

It was Jacob who was called Israel. The first time the name was given. Who Jacob was the first ruler.

Also we do not make our desicions based off of other peoples lives in the bible. For exmlae. My experience to who I am to God and what he puts in my life. Is not the same as Ruth or Deborah so to say. Everyones life in the bible is ot thier own purpose. I can only use that in concerns regarding principle and knowledge given. I cannot exactly compare circumstances. I can relate to them. And if I use the passages in the same subjective principle in caomparison. I can make that comparison. Other iwise it is not a comparison.
But in that you only confirm my point. That The peoplw who cared for one anothers children. WERE FAMILY. But hat is not what it is saying.

and they WERE Jacobs sons.

And there i s no cnotridiction. Becuase I say I do not believe in most adoption...
AND NO MOST ADOPTIONS IS, NOT VALUEING LIFE.

ACTUALLY A LOT OF PRINCIPLES BEHIND ADOPTION IS DESTROYING LIFE/ HUMNITY.
AND DEVALUES LIFE.

People with the promotion of Adoption is the option. IS a tradition of man. and not form the nowledge of God. Though it does meet a need to experess another way instaed of abortion.
BOTH OF THEM EXPRESS CLEARLY THE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOD AMONG A PEOPLE. BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN NOT TAUGHT THE VLAUE OF LIFE.

THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION ...ITS CALLED THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD...WHICH PEOPLE HAVE RELIED ON ANOTHER WAY. THEIR WAY.
THERE IS NO BETTER WAY. THAN GODS WAY. ALL ELSE IS MEDIOCRE.
 
I would like to do both if its God’s will. I don’t want one more over the other I’d like to experience a pregnancy but I also wanted to give a home to children who need it. I was adopted from Foster Care.
 
My oldest niece has three children - all girls, all under the age of ten - two of whom are adopted (one from China). With God's grace, she and her husband are molding a truly healthy family, a family held together by love. I've never asked her whether or not adoption is worth it because all I have to do is observe Mom and Dad interacting with those kids to know that the answer would be a resounding "Yes!"

SLE

What a touching answer! To me, adoption is worth it.
I was adopted by my grandparents, and if it weren't for them,
I would probably have been with people I didn't even know, or worse, people who will abuse me.
 
I personally believe Adoption is very important. I cant have children on my own.Firstly I adopted my nephew when he was 17 because his father,my brother was abusive to him. I didnt want him to be treated that way. Secondly I had learned that one of my nephew's friends was living in a foster home. He had no parents. His mother died at birth and when he was 10 years old his father killed himself. He was put in a foster home. When I learned his story it touched my heart. I asked God if it was the right thing for me to take him in. I adopted him when he was 15 I couldnt be more blessed. If my wife and I decide to adopt a younger child in the future than I think it will be well worth it.
 
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