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Are these common sayings in your Christian communities?

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"Hate the sin, love the sinner?" credit Mahatma Gandhi

"Every saint has a past and every sinner a future?" credit Oscar Wilde

any others that could shine some light on the root of their intended meaning?
 
The first one I hear a lot more than the second. Of course both aren't from the Bible but we can take something and "shrink" it down or put in lay terms so more people can understand it.
Jesus "loves the sinner and hates the sin" and there are many examples of it in the Bible.
He used anger and threat of violence at least once. Pretty sure those tables being all wood were quite heavy so Jesus was also ripped.
Given He is on a level we'll never obtain, he did set a standard. No person approves of another 100%.
Jesus spent time with sinners and it is likely that He didn't speak God every minute of every day to all who was around him. He was the greatest public speaker and after a sermon was over if he didn't leave then who knows how He was.
I've found that my actions can show God to others without me saying anything.
 
The first one I hear a lot more than the second. Of course both aren't from the Bible but we can take something and "shrink" it down or put in lay terms so more people can understand it.
Jesus "loves the sinner and hates the sin" and there are many examples of it in the Bible.
He used anger and threat of violence at least once. Pretty sure those tables being all wood were quite heavy so Jesus was also ripped.
Given He is on a level we'll never obtain, he did set a standard. No person approves of another 100%.
Jesus spent time with sinners and it is likely that He didn't speak God every minute of every day to all who was around him. He was the greatest public speaker and after a sermon was over if he didn't leave then who knows how He was.
I've found that my actions can show God to others without me saying anything.
Do not get mad at me. But I cannot help it, I got to say it.

Your quote:
“Jesus "loves the sinner and hates the sin”

But

GOD does Not send “Sin” to Hell, He Sends “Sinners”!
 
@MedicBravo
Thank you for taking time to read and respond to my post about 'quotes'. I just started looking into them one day and thought "who said these things, and are they true?" I certainly do not ascribe to these. Furthermore I would not use them to convey any element of truth.

In my experience those who claim Oscar Wilde's quote are usually in stark rebellion to the God of the living. So what is the answer to his statement? All sinners are headed for destruction, that is their future without God's intervention, and His wrath abide on them. And really, does every saint have a past? I realize that I once dead in sin, but God is so much more than that. Does He remember our sins? I think not, as far as east from west, does God remove our transgressions, Psalms 103:12. We are new creatures indeed.

Also about the love thing, I think it would be a grave error to tell an unregenerate that God loves them without telling of His other attributes for these reasons: 1) the love of God and the love of the world, though the exact same word, have opposite meanings, completely opposite, and 2) separating God's love from his justice leaves the inside of the windshield uncleaned.

The former could lead to agreement about love when in fact, truth went awry. The ladder could lead someone to think why would God need to love me, I mean look at me, I love me! Again, an incomplete message.

I can't tell you how many times people say that God loves everybody [to justify their lifestyle or denial to repent] and we fail to mention the abiding wrath upon them living in disobedience.

Mark Twain certainly had some 'Christian sounding' pithy quotes and was a stark opponent of the God as revealed in the BOOK.
 
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@MedicBravo
Thank you for taking time to read and respond to my post about 'quotes'. I just started looking into them one day and thought "who said these things, and are they true?" I certainly do not ascribe to these. Furthermore I would not use them to convey any element of truth.

In my experience those who claim Oscar Wilde's quote are usually in stark rebellion to the God of the living. So what is the answer to his statement? All sinners are headed for destruction, that is their future without God's intervention, and His wrath abide on them. And really, does every saint have a past? I realize that I once dead in sin, but God is so much more than that. Does He remember our sins? I think not, as far as east from west, does God remove our transgressions, Psalms 103:12. We are new creatures indeed.

Also about the love thing, I think it would be a grave error to tell an unregenerate that God loves them without telling of His other attributes for these reasons: 1) the love of God and the love of the world, though the exact same word, have opposite meanings, completely opposite, and 2) separating God's love from his justice leaves the inside of the windshield uncleaned.

The former could lead to agreement about love when in fact, truth went awry. The ladder could lead someone to think why would God need to love me, I mean look at me, I love me! Again, an incomplete message.

I can't tell you how many times people say that God loves everybody [to justify their lifestyle or denial to repent] and we fail to mention the abiding wrath upon them living in disobedience.

Mark Twain certainly had some 'Christian sounding' pithy quotes and was a stark opponent of the God as revealed in the BOOK.
You're welcome.
I may be new here but I'm not blind or glued to the tv, phone, internet, etc.
Jesus never said those words but the concept is throughout the Bible. He personified it and set a realistic standard that any person (though not easy) can do.
I don't like inspirational quotes. Most are largely words strung together in fonts to make someone feel good about themselves. This is the worst one, "You are enough."
I recognize our church fathers for what they were. Mortal men who got the best opportunity and still were a WIP until they died. By definition were they saints? I doubt it. Were they on some level more like Jesus than anyone since then? Most certainly. Another fun fact "saint" Theresa wasn't as good as people thought but that's a whole other topic.
People are often confused by the bible or any topic. Putting something on a general or lay level will be understood by most.
God does love everyone but not their sins repentant or not. He does not "love them in their sin" that's absurd.
I haven't read Mark Twain in years.
 
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