Are these two great contradictions of the Catholic Faith

[Solemn Man]

hello friends

Are these two great contradictions of the Catholic Faith


Catechism Of The Catholic Church


The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: ” Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its " procreative " and unitive purposes



The Catholic Church teaches that condoms - birth control, and any means of avoiding or deviating away from the fertizilating the egg with the ***** while having intercourse - is unholy, - sexual intercourse cannot be just for enjoyment with your wife or husband

Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its " procreation " fertilization , to furthering the DNA - GENETICS to be passed down through a conception ...

II. The Vocation to Chastity # 2351
https://www.vatican.va/content/catechism/en/part_three/section_two/chapter_two/article_6/ii_the_vocation_to_chastity.html


Furthermore

Roman Catholic Father - St. Augustine, demands that “ Sexual desire a significant role in original sin's transmission, - sexual intercourse is the daughter of sin, is also the mother of sin ... LUST - Lust becomes causally involved in the transmission of original sin ...

Sexual lust thereby becomes not merely a symbol of carnal concupiscence, but its cause.

this is basic foundation of all Catholic Teaching regarding sex and Original Sin


The Reality is that the Catholic Church demands that because Jesus was not born with sexual intercourse by an earthly Father, he was completely free from Original sin

the Roman Catholic believes that original sin is CAUSE AND EFFECT and by the literal sex act - by having a sexual interaction - a man and woman having romantic relations, this is what has literally CAUSED ALL to be born with original sin - the sex act itself causes the sin - sex is sinful but tolerated by God

THIS IS WHY MARY'S VIRGINITY IS SO IMPORTANT TO ROMAN CATHOLICS

BECAUSE - Mary was PURE - HOLY , SEXUALLY PERFECT - - - Mary was guarding her virginity - abstaining from having sex - Mary was righteous - Holy Virgin -



the Roman Catholic believes that Jesus is FREE of Original sin because he was not born from ***** and egg conception with an earthly father ...... But this is contradicted by the fact that both Adam and Eve were born without the sex act,


both Adam and Eve were born without a human father or an earthly mother - yet this Immaculate Creation of Adam and Eve - this did not help them or prevent them from committing sin, this did nothing for them even though they were not born nor created from a sexual act.

Adam and Eve even lived at a time where purity was at its most powerful and potent form and they both existed as the very best potential and perfect example possible, purity was at the strongest and most powerful and purest form that has ever existed for human kind

And still their decision and temptation and weakness to commit immoral acts, to sin, to defile their bodies and disobey God’ s commandment was not prevented - by the state and the situation , the status , and circumstance and condition “ Immaculately Created “ they were not even born from human mother nor father nor created by any sexual relations - __


Do Catholics deny that Jesus had “ FREE WILL “ ?

Was the Roman Catholic Jesus free from all temptation and someone who did not have “ FREE WILL “ ?

This is what Catholics seem to suggest.


In conclusion, another great contradiction is the following Roman Catholic Catechism teaching


Catechism of the Catholic Church - Second Edition - # 404
""_ The transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. _""


but this is not simply an untruthful contradiction, there are 66 total books of the bible that clearly explain what original sin means

these scriptures explain in complete detail the understanding of Original Sin. The Bible fully explains what caused Original SIn and the result and effect and the solution that God has provided to remedy the original sin.


How can Roman Catholics resolve and explain these 2 great contradictions ?


For Roman Catholics to demand that being created without the sex act prevents someone from committing sin - and removes the choice, and Free Will and also Temptation


Why do Catholics deny that Jesus was faced with the challenge of “ FREE WILL “ and temptation, and was tempted in all the ways that all humans are, just as Adam and Eve but Jesus overcame his own will , denied himself and submitted to the will of God. ?


For Roman Catholics to demand that -- The transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand

Why do Catholics deny that God has fully explained the cause and effect of the curse of Original Sin and has also provided the clear remedy. ?

 

[KingJ]

It is very interesting. You say RCC contradictions but don't state actual contradictions, rather something you disagree with. But does it really matter? Much ado about nothing really.

I found myself typing a post that seemed very inappropriate for a Christian forum. Perhaps you have other items you wish to discuss?

 

[Solemn Man]

hello

You are right, I did not state or even mention the specific contradictions

My intention was to show that these two claims of the Roman Catholic concerning their faith contradict the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament.

If someone knows very much about the Bible and believes that God's word is truth
then the Great Contradictions Of The Catholic Faith
would be very important because Catholics are contradicting the bible and turning truth into perversity and attempting to change the truth to untruth.​

 

[Solemn Man]

in retrospect

is it true that the nature of Jesus is rooted in the things he has earned and championed in victory ?

can we remember that Jesus started out as a little newborn baby,

is it not true that the nature of Jesus is rooted in the things he has been given as a right and given of God because of his obedience and the things he suffered and he has overcome darkness by being compliant and obedient to God

he earned the favor of God,
he earned the wisdom of God,
he earned the ability to know the will of God,
he earned the right to know the will of God,
he earned the right to know the will of God,

he went through the process of being circumcised
he went through the process of being baptized

he went through the process of fasting and praying, seeking, searching for the will of God, removing himself from all temptations of sin, he had no earthly possessions, he had no home, no bed, no family, no mother there to guide him, he even limited his personal friends to just a very small handful of people.

all of these things did not come to him due to his condition of being born without an earthly father or being free of : original sin " in fact, he was 100 % born in the curse of original sin

he grew tired, feeble, weak, grey, he was at times completely drained of energy, he wrinkled and felt sad and alone, after his crucifixion he was marred and scarred, his side where he was stabbed / pierced still was scabbed, hallow and wounded, his hand had holes and scabs, his back was still wounded with 39 whip lashes, his head still was scarred from the crown of thorns

if Jesus would have lived long enough he would have died from old age just as any other 70 + year old person.

He lived in a body that was totally subject and under the curse of original sin.

The body of Jesus was not free of Original Sin - he went to heaven and was given a new body - a glorified body of immortality, free of the curse of sin.

Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: ........... I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
:34 I receive not testimony from man:

how can we continue to say that Jesus received anything without first seeking it and it being given from God alone.


Rev 5:12 Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Jesus seems to have earned this value, he worked daily to submit and obey, he had to fight every step of the way,

if he did not earn this value then he was simply the one receiving the pre existing Gift of Righteous that he did not secure and earn - nor provide by his actions, obedience and own works on the cross - he would then remain a Roman Catholic plan that was already born into an artificial world of man made salvation and the sacrificial death of the cross was not needed

because -- Catholic Mary never having had gratified herself carnally has already made Jesus perfected and glorified ?

was Jesus truly great because his mother had never stimulated or gratified herself carnally, nor had a sexual orgasm, nor conceived seed $perm that fertilized her eggs ?

1Pe 1:2 saying that “

The foreknowledge God the Father, determined that

through the sanctification “ OF THE SPIRIT “ unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus “ THE ANOINTING “

1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

the spirit was sanctified by the obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus

 

[Solemn Man]

had the complete and full act of sexual intercourse been involved in her own conception or in the conception of her son, neither herself nor her son would have been free of " Original Sin "

a sexually active Mary = is not a Mary free of original sin and not a Mary assumed and taken to heaven,

Had Mary had sex at any time in her life she would not be called the Queen Of Heaven - nor assumed upward to heaven.

 

[Rxlx]

hello

You are right, I did not state or even mention the specific contradictions

My intention was to show that these two claims of the Roman Catholic concerning their faith contradict the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament.

If someone knows very much about the Bible and believes that God's word is truth
then the Great Contradictions Of The Catholic Faith
would be very important because Catholics are contradicting the bible and turning truth into perversity and attempting to change the truth to untruth.​

Catholicism is Satan's own evil pagan religion based on the worship of Ishtar and Tammuz of ancient Babylon in the guise of Mary and baby Jesus.
Throughout the centuries Catholics have murdered many Chrsitians who exposed their pagan doctrine - including William Tyndale who dared translate the Bible into English so everyone could read it. He did this in 1526 and a few days ago I bought a copy and treasure it. They tracked him down, half strangled him then burnt him at the stake.
The Conquistadors also murdered countless South American Indians by cutting their chests open and tearing out their hearts to offer to the sun - their god - juts as catholic priests offer the wafer and wine to the sun shining through the east windows their churches have.
Jesus just blessed the bread?
....................
the cult of Mithraism or sun-worship was the official religion of the Roman Empire. It stood as the greatest competitor to the new Christian religion. It had its own organization, temples, priesthood, robes—everything. It also had an official worship day on which special homage was given to the sun. That day was called “The Venerable Day of the Sun.” It was the first day of the week, and from it we get our name Sunday.
........................

What is important to remember about sabbath is that Jesus said his followers aka Christians should ignore it and treat all days the same - just as he did.

 

[Solemn Man]

does artificial tube baby fertilization and artificial environmental development make someone more pure -

since there was no lust involved ?

 

[Rxlx]

Mary had lots of sex with Joseph after Jesus was born - that is why Jesus had brothers and sisters.

And more to the point: at age 12 he went to the temple with his parents so we can be sure that for at least 12 years Mary and Joseph regularly got sexy together.
We aren't told when Joseph died so we don't know if their sex life continued until Joseph was too old.

 

[Rxlx]

Catholics are pagans doomed to destruction when Jesus returns.

 

[Rhema]

does artificial tube baby fertilization and artificial environmental development make someone more pure -

since there was no lust involved ?

Interesting question.

Given that I fit the criteria, I'm going to have to think about this for a bit.

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Mary had lots of sex with Joseph after Jesus was born - that is why Jesus had brothers and sisters.

The Greek word adelphos (G80) makes no specific distinction between a sibling and a cousin.

Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother-G80 of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters-G79 here with us? And they were offended at him.​

- Mark 6:3 KJV

LINK to the Liddell Scott Greek Lexicon for G80

A. 2. kinsman​

Same with "sister:
LINK to the Liddell Scott Greek Lexicon for G79

A. 2. kinswoman​

(Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer choice.)

 

[Rhema]

the cult of Mithraism or sun-worship was the official religion of the Roman Empire.

Well I'm pretty sure you're flat out wrong on that, but don't let my academic studies get in your way.

Rhema

 

[Rxlx]

LOL .Once again, Rhema gets his panties in a twist out of sheer ignorance.
But Satan loves Rhema.

 

[Rxlx]

Mary had lots of sex with Joseph after Jesus was born - that is why Jesus had brothers and sisters.

Rhema is got to be a rabid Jews in lambs clothing.

 

[Rhema]

Mary had lots of sex with Joseph after Jesus was born - that is why Jesus had brothers and sisters.

...silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.​

- 2 Timothy 3:6-7 KJV