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Are you a Jacob or an Esau? You DO have a choice

Jimmie

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GENESIS 25:19-28:9


This study starts out with the generations of Abraham and Sarah. After years of waiting and praying they finally had
Yitzchak. The legacy continues, the promise of YHVH is revealed once more, but not without testing of faith. Yitzchak and Riv'kah also have to wait, about 20 years, yet they prayed and entreated the LORD to have a child. “The prayer of the righteous prevails” the following is from the Talmud (B. Yevamot 64: a)

“Why were our ancestors barren? Because the Holy One (blessed be He) longs to bless the prayers of the righteous”

Since Yitzchak and Riv’kah were righteous, and part of the covenant promise, YHVH (in HIS timing) answered their prayer. Does that mean that ALL prayer is answered? Yes, it is, but not always the way we want Adonai to answer it. The answer comes in three forms; Yes, No, and “later on” The sick are prayed over, and many are healed, others are prayed for, and YHVH takes them home. It doesn't mean to stop praying or pray once, God likes “continuous prayer” I prayed for 40 years for the LORD to reveal to me my biological family, and finally, about 4 years ago, HE DID! But in HIS timing.

The birth of the children of Yitzchak v’ Riv’kah” came as a surprise, “twins inside” and the battle ensued. Yet the LORD speaks to Riv'kah saying:

“Two nations are in your womb, two peoples shall be separated from your body; One people will be stronger than the other, and the older shall serve the younger”

When we look at this today, we see the prophecy revealed plainly as day. From “Ya'akov”, we get “Am Yisrael” the (Nation of Israel) and from “Esav” we get the name “Edom” which is almost the same as “Adam” with the exception of the “o” or in Hebrew the letter “Vav” (v) If we look at the paleo-Hebrew, one could get the symbolism of “Esau” who was made of “Blood and spirit” was connected (Vav) to “chaos” Esav was a “man of the earth, disinterested in spiritual things, he was materialistic, he related more to the “red” earth than the things of God. From “Esav/Edom” we get Haman (the Agagite) and from Haman, the nation of “Rome” was formed.

Rome was stronger and conquered a good part of the world, and Israel was under the yoke of Rome, YET today, we look at Israel, it has the strongest, and one of the most advanced and modern Militaries of the world. And it was indeed an honor to serve under the IDF two years ago, and I am looking forward to supporting the IDF again in the future.

Jacob and Esau, twin brothers but two separate nations, two brothers, yet worlds apart, One spiritual, interested in the things of God, then other, interested in the things of the world. Esau and Jacob represent the world of today. We have the “lost” “unrepented man” and we have the “born again believers” which include ALL who have accepted Yeshua the Messiah as LORD and Savior, doesn't matter if we are a Sabbath observing messianic believer, or a Sunday, church-going believer, we are ALL part of God's family.

Yet we see that Jacob exhibited “carnal behavior” he wanted things “his way” yet when God sent Jacob to uncle Laban's “school of hard Knocks” he came out different... (but that is in the next parashah). Jacob symbolizes “all believers” both carnal and spirit-filled. We ALL have growing and maturing to go through on this side of heaven.

I would like to take a look at three names; Adam, Edom, Esau, Jacob/Israel. How are we like these names? Adam and Edom are spelled almost the same. Adam was the first man-made in the “image of Elohim” he was made from the earth, “Edom” means “red” perhaps the earth with which Elohim made Adam was a reddish color.

Esau was a carnal man, and gave in to his hunger and ate of Jacob’s “red” lentil stew. Adam was made perfect in all ways, yet sin broke fellowship between him and God, thus, sin was passed down to all generations. Esau and Jacob, one could say were like “twins”. Yet one sought after spiritual things and the other, after carnal things. Jacob and Esau symbolize the spiritual man and carnal man, yet we can decide which “man” we want to follow and emulate

Esau despised his birthright for lentil stew, we can see the same today, many people will prefer a life of sin, money, fast cars, drugs, fame, you name it, and reject the gift of God, “Salvation” (YESHUAH) and then “perish” for all eternity. That's kind of like “exchanging” Eternal life with God for a “temporary life” of comfort and ease, riches, etc. Just doesn't make sense, does it?

We can also see this in believers. In believers, we have the “Esau” nature and the “Jacob” nature. The “Esau” nature is our carnal sin nature, that responds to the flesh, but the “Jacob” nature, is our “spirit-filled” nature which is attracted to the things of the spirit, the things of God. It is our choice which “nature” governs our lives.

The time of blessing comes, Isaac is old and blind, and there has been a family “division” Esau “Loved” Esau (because of his wild game) yet Rebecca “loved” Jacob. Does that mean that Isaac didn't love Jacob and Rebecca didn't love Esau? No, only means that there were “family favorites” which is a big NO, if we are to live in peace with our children today, even between “students and teachers” no favorites, please!

We see in Chap 27, that Jacob passes for Esau, and Esau gets the shorter end of the stick. Taking advantage of poor Isaac's blindness, yet there is a saying “The chickens come home to roost” and “What goes around, comes around” We will see LATER, what happens, Jacob is the younger, and pretends to be the older. When Jacob gets married, he thinks he's getting the younger daughter but gets the older daughter. Jacob deceives Isaac in his “darkness” (blindness) and Jacob gets deceived being in the “darkness” (night time, dark tent) and maybe he had too much to drink to know who got in bed with him.

Esau doesn't change, he marries a “Hittite” woman and then gets another wife from his uncle Ishmael, all to “get back” (maybe) at Isaac for giving away his birthright, but didn't he already sell it? Hello?

So, the question is; “Jacob or Esau” who do we resemble most? It might be a thought-provoking question, but it is a question we must ask ourselves. We may be born-again believers, yet if our thoughts are earthly, and God’s Word doesn’t fill our minds daily. If our daily life is more carnal than spirit-filled, and our words are less than kosher, then, we would have to be honest with ourselves and say; “We are Esau!” yet it doesn’t have to be that way.

If we say; “I take after Jacob!” then, are we guided by God’s Word, his Spirit? Remember that his name was changed to “Israel” (Yashar-El) “Straight to God” Do our thoughts go “straight to God?” Are we living our own lives, or are we living the “God-in-us” lives? Is it really our life or God’s life that is within us?

Shalom....Ben Avraham
 
Greetings
What is Jacob, is it like James and John, why did Jacob's mother favor, Jacob? and not Esau, and in their mother's womb what was going at birth?
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Well, that is a good question, with no solid answers. We might say that Jacob (which is "James" in Hebrew) took after Rebecca's personality, he stayed around the home and did chores, helped mom and dad out, did some cooking, some might say he was a "mama's boy" So, she might have favored him for that, while Esau, was an outdoorsman, a man of the field, and perhaps, that's why Isaac favored him.

Inside Rebecca's womb, the two boys were struggling, that's all scripture tells us, but their destinies were already in motion, because God could see and still can see the future, of ALL of us.
 
Well, that is a good question, with no solid answers. We might say that Jacob (which is "James" in Hebrew) took after Rebecca's personality, he stayed around the home and did chores, helped mom and dad out, did some cooking, some might say he was a "mama's boy" So, she might have favored him for that, while Esau, was an outdoorsman, a man of the field, and perhaps, that's why Isaac favored him.

Inside Rebecca's womb, the two boys were struggling, that's all scripture tells us, but their destinies were already in motion (struggling) because God could see and still can see the future, of ALL of us.

Genesis 25:24-26 (NKJV) So when her days were fulfilled for her to give birth, indeed there were twins in her womb.
And the first came out red. He was like a hairy garment all over; so they called his name Esau.
Genesis 25: Afterward his brother came out, and his hand took hold of Esau's heel; so his name was called Jacob. Isaac was sixty years old when she bore them.

Genesis 3:15 (NKJV) And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel."


Rebecca’s birth
Genesis 25: Afterward his brother Jacob came out, and his hand took hold of Esau's heel

Eve’s birth
Genesis 3: Satan And you shall bruise His heel." Christ

Esau, I hate but Jacob I love
(a struggling between Satan and Christ a struggling between Christien and Satan Children )
Satan I hate, but Christ I love
 
Genesis 25:24-26 (NKJV) So when her days were fulfilled for her to give birth, indeed there were twins in her womb.
And the first came out red. He was like a hairy garment all over; so they called his name Esau.
Genesis 25: Afterward his brother came out, and his hand took hold of Esau's heel; so his name was called Jacob. Isaac was sixty years old when she bore them.

Genesis 3:15 (NKJV) And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel."


Rebecca’s birth
Genesis 25: Afterward his brother Jacob came out, and his hand took hold of Esau's heel

Eve’s birth
Genesis 3: Satan And you shall bruise His heel." Christ

Esau, I hate but Jacob I love
(a struggling between Satan and Christ a struggling between Christien and Satan Children )
Satan I hate, but Christ I love
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Also, we see that Jacob and Esau were fulfilling a prophecy that God spoke to Rebecca. That they would be "two nations against each other" They started out in the womb, and a thousand years later, it was fulfilled, Esau was the ancester of Rome, and Rome overpowered Israel. We can also see that in the future, Israel will be the main nation in the world when Messiah Yeshua returns. ALL nations will subject to Israel.
 
Also, we see that Jacob and Esau were fulfilling a prophecy that God spoke to Rebecca. That they would be "two nations against each other" They started out in the womb, and a thousand years later, it was fulfilled, Esau was the ancestor of Rome, and Rome overpowered Israel. We can also see that in the future, Israel will be the main nation in the world when Messiah Yeshua returns. ALL nations will be subject to Israel.
 
Wild how thier descendants were also in conflict ( although the messiah didn’t know it) as king Herod was a descendant from esau and was so threatened that we know what he did

Iacob was deceptive but then was deceived on his wedding day
All the younger sons from issac to Jacob all went against the natural order of inheritance which always went to the eldest son
The lord gave the inheritance to the younger brother instead in each case
The lord had a plan
SHALOM :love:
 
Rom 9:11; for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God's purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,

Rom 9:15; For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION."
Rom 9:16; So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.

This is a difficult passage for me. I believe in free-will. But I have to confess, this passage is either saying God foreknew what would happen, or He caused it to happen this way.

Rom 9:27; Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, "THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE SONS OF ISRAEL BE LIKE THE SAND OF THE SEA, IT IS THE REMNANT THAT WILL BE SAVED;
Rom 9:28; FOR THE LORD WILL EXECUTE HIS WORD ON THE EARTH, THOROUGHLY AND QUICKLY."

I believe just a small portion of the human race will be saved. ( Less than 10% would be my guess, but it's only a guess ) But also, only a small portion of Israel will be saved.

( I apologize for the caps, my Bible has these verses in caps )

Rom 10:12; For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;

Everyone gets saved the same way. There is no special dispensation for the Jews.
I am wondering can it be both ways? Is there free-will for most of us, and yet in cases like Pharaoh, Esau, and Judas... was it pre-ordained?
What makes this even more difficult for me is..

Heb 12:15; See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;
Heb 12:16; that there be no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal.
Heb 12:17; For you know that even afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears.

The Bible says we are joint-heirs with Christ. ( Rom 8:17; Gal 3:29; Eph 3:6; Tit 3:7; etc... )
Esau had a birthright, an inheritance, but he gave it away. ( For a bowl of stew no less ) Just like Esau we have an inheritance, but it appears we can be like Esau and give it away as well.
I've heard many preachers preach on this passage over the years. It is possible to fall short of the grace of God. It is possible to give your inheritance away.
In Esau's case he was born with the birth-right. He was born with the inheritance. He didn't have to do anything to earn it, he already had it just by virtue of being born first.
All he had to do to get it, was simply not give it away.
How many of us may be giving away our inheritance, for a moment of pleasure? ; A few minutes of sin?
 
How many of us may be giving away our inheritance, for a moment of pleasure? ; A few minutes of sin?
1John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

We do not give away our inheritance gained through Jesus our Saviour by stumbling in the flesh; but rather we walk away from our inheritance because we do not give this promise of salvation
the value it deserves. Thus like Esau we walk in the flesh and seek our gain in this world. A saint must in the end despise the gospel.
Genesis 25:32 Esau said, “I am about to die; of what use is a birthright to me?”
34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and lentil stew, and he ate and drank and rose and went his way. Thus Esau despised his birthright.
compare with
Isaiah 22:12 In that day the Lord GOD of hosts called for weeping and mourning, for baldness and wearing sackcloth;
13 and behold, joy and gladness, killing oxen and slaughtering sheep, eating flesh and drinking wine. “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.”
 
We do not give away our inheritance gained through Jesus our Saviour by stumbling in the flesh; but rather we walk away from our inheritance because we do not give this promise of salvation
the value it deserves.

Well I definitely disagree that we don't lose our salvation because of continuing to live in sin and practice sin. But what exactly does "give this promise of salvation the value it deserves" mean?
 
The first born Esau sold his birthright, as did Israel ( Israel the nation ) so to speak .. 30 pieces of Silver
 
Well I definitely disagree that we don't lose our salvation because of continuing to live in sin and practice sin. But what exactly does "give this promise of salvation the value it deserves" mean?
Matthew 13:45 Again the kingdom of the heavens is like a merchant seeking goodly pearls.
46 And having found one pearl of great price, went and sold all he had, and bought it.
Luke 8:14 And what fell among the thorns, these are they that have heard, and while going on are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no perfect fruit.
 
  • Hebrews 10:26-29:
  • "For we—sinning wilfully without compulsion after receiving the full knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and fiery zeal about to consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Mosesdied without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think those deserve to be punished who have trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has considered as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who have insulted the Spirit of grace?"
  • It’s better you didn’t know the law than to know the law and willfully break it— and it says there is no sacrifice ( no forgiveness) for doing this:: that’s what I got from it
  • BUT
  • According to the Catholic Catechism, there are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit. Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss.[1]

    However, the Church further believes there is no offence, however serious, that the Church cannot forgive—that no one, however wicked and guilty, may not confidently hope for forgiveness, provided his repentance is honest.
  • SHALOM :love:
 
Reminds me of Paul who in 1Corinthians is talking about the guy that is having inappropriate relations with his fathers wife
That is a sin according to torah is punishable by death
BUT
in 2 Corinthians he says I respect the decisions of the masses and if this guy is “ truly “ repentant than ease up on him and support him
The lord knows what is in your heart if you repent I don’t believe any sin means eternal damnation
Shalom
 
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