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Are you aware of New Age philosophy infiltration into the Christian Churches?

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Are you aware of New Age philosophy infiltration into the Christian Churches? (MY COMMENT ALAN)
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5 Ways Progressive Christianity and New Age Spirituality Are Kind of the Same Thing

Think about the phrase "New Age." What comes to mind? Old documentaries of hippies at Woodstock experimenting with LSD and yoga? Shirley MacLaine holding a cluster of crystals on the cover of Time Magazine back in the ‘80s? Deepak Chopra teaching Oprah how to move things with her mind in the ‘90s? As old or out of touch as these images may seem, New Age beliefs are hotter than ever and have permeated our culture—but with a slick new image. The psychic hotline of the ‘80s has been replaced by winsome hipster gurus who have traded robes for skinny jeans—often translating Eastern religious ideas into Christianese.

Many Christians aren't even aware of how New Age beliefs have infiltrated Christendom through the Progressive Church. I've written about Progressive Christianity here, and talked about it here, here, and here. It wasn't until I recently did a study of New Age Spirituality that I realized how much Progressive Christianity has in common with it.

]Here are 5 ways Progressive Christianity and the New Age Spirituality are kinds of the same thing:

1. The redefinition or abandonment of the concept of sin

New Agers believe all people are inherently divine....that there is no such thing called "sin," but only the failure to remember our divinity. In her master class on the Oprah and Friends network in 2008, New Age leader Marianne Williamson led countless Americans through the book, A Course in Miracles. Participants were encouraged to affirm "There is no sin,"(1) and were taught, "The Atonement is the final lesson [a person] need to learn, for it teaches him that, never having sinned, he has no need of salvation." (2) And all of this information supposedly came from Jesus Himself. (3)

Several years ago I heard a Progressive pastor teach on Genesis 3, the famous passage in which Eve was tricked by the serpent into eating the forbidden fruit. Rather than reading the account as historical fact, he was unpacking the moral "truth" we could all learn from this creation story. He made the point that when this first couple took that fateful bite, it was their shame, not their sin, that separated them from God. In other words, they failed to recognize their belovedness...their inherent goodness and worth. If they were "separated" from God, it was they who were distant....not God. Progressive writer Brian McLaren describes it this way: "They lose their fearlessness in relation to God."(4)

Notice the similarity of language. Without original sin, we are all good, and we are only distant from God in our own minds when we forget that.


]2. The denial of absolute truth

New Age thought is marked by its relativism: a rejection of objective morality and absolute truth. If something feels true to you, it's true. If it feels right to you, it's right. If something feels real to you, it's reality. In other words, your own thoughts and feelings are your authority for what is true and real.

One distinctive feature of Progressive Christianity is its denial of biblical authority. But of course, no one operates without an authority—if you remove one authority, you will replace it with another. Typically, Progressive Christians shift the authority for what they believe is true from the Bible to themselves—by becoming their own moral compass which will inevitably ebb and flow with culture.


3. Acceptance of Jesus, but a denial of His blood atonement

New Age thought leaders almost always couch their teachings in Christian language. Jesus is an example of someone who attained enlightenment by connecting with the divine—an example any of us can follow. His death wasn't a saving act...the "saving" comes from within ourselves when we realize we have the same capabilities as Jesus already within us. This is often referred to as "Christ consciousness." This is why many New Agers see no contradiction in reciting the Lord's prayer while believing in karma and the healing power of crystals. Of course, this is an outright denial of His atoning death and resurrection.

Many (not all) Progressive Christians also deny the blood atonement of Jesus. Last year, popular Christian musician Michael Gungor took to Twitter to rant about the idea of God requiring a blood sacrifice for sin, calling it "horrific." In his controversial book, Love Wins, Rob Bell refers to this idea as something Christians simply picked up from surrounding cultures and used to explain the death of Jesus. In a 2016 lecture explaining the Eucharist (Communion for us Protestants), Bell joked about the ridiculousness of atonement theory, summing it up as: “God is less grumpy because of Jesus.” This gave the audience a good laugh, as Bell went on to explain that the real reason we pass the bread and wine is to "heighten our senses to our bonds with our brothers and sisters in our shared humanity."

Many Progressive Christian leaders have popularized the phrase "cosmic child abuse," a term first coined by Steve Chalke to protest the idea that a loving God would require a blood sacrifice for the sin of mankind.


4. It's all about "me"

New Age thought revolves around the "Self." Self-empowerment and realization of our innate divinity are central to its teachings and practices. According to New Age blogger Kalee Brown, when Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life" in John 14:6, "The 'me' Jesus referred to isn’t himself, but rather the Self within you" (emphasis mine). A Course in Miracles also asks the participant to affirm: "My salvation comes from me."(5) And hey....if we are all divine, why shouldn't it be about us?

The typical Progressive Christian will probably not agree that it's all about them—in fact, they tend to be very focused on social justice. But that's not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about the atheological shift. Progressive favourite Richard Rohr even goes so far as to write that each of us and sometimes "creation" is the "fourth member of the blessed Trinity," implying that the fullness of God isn't complete until we become a part of it. (6)

Generally speaking, the concept of sin is abandoned or redefined, truth becomes relativized, and a mere martyr’s cross gives us a more palatable Jesus who is a great teacher, moral example, and doting BFF—but not the all-powerful warrior King who will one day return in a blood-dipped robe to judge the living and the dead. (Revelation 19:13; 2 Timothy 4:1)


5. Universalism

Former New Ager and now Christian believer Steven Bancarz noted that New Age proponents affirm the idea that all roads lead to God. He wrote:

"The New Age movement holds tightly to religious pluralism and universalism, which is the view that all religions are inspired by a common Source and they all point to the same truth that we will one day reach, regardless of what path we choose to get there."

Many Progressive Christian authors affirm some form of universalism—implicitly, by denying the concept of a literal hell, or explicitly, by declaring that all people will be reconciled to God, regardless of their beliefs or religious practices.

The concept of universal reconciliation (that Jesus will reconcile all sinners to Himself,) was smuggled into the mainstream consciousness of the Evangelical church through the wildly popular 2007 book, The Shack. Years later, its author, William Paul Young, confirmed his intention in his book, Lies We Believe About God. He wrote, "Are you suggesting that everyone is saved? That you believe in universal salvation? That is exactly what I am saying!" (7)

None of this is new. Throughout church history, these ideas have emerged again and again. They are old pagan dogmas recycled as new and edgy ideas, dressed up in modern garb and given a Christian make-over. Trevin Wax put it perfectly on Twitter:


Progressive Christians may think they are being cutting-edge and relevant by stepping outside the bounds of orthodoxy, but in reality, they are simply falling for the ideology that has kick-started every false religion since the fall of man:

"They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator" (Romans 1:25).

It is no less damning if the "creature" is....yourself.

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5 Ways Progressive Christianity and New Age Spirituality Are Kind of the Same Thing ]
 
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i belive this is one of the greatest threats to christanity today we got to be aware of these wolves in sheeps clothing
 
Well, what about women hating to hear stuff like Ephesians 5:24 or Romans 7:2, guys? The Apostle was guided by the Holy Spirit when he wrote such a verse. If you know he was appointed by God Himself, then how can you, women, think he is wrong about it? Of course, those passages will never justify abuses committed against either the husband or the wife; wisdom should never be disregarded in those cases.

Let's talk about "the denial of absolute truth" here. How would God call that? People rejecting His Son! John 14:6 shows us Christ called Himself the Truth! So this one is one of the most dangerous lies that are spreading out there nowadays. Even so keep this in mind, people always keep getting fooled by those that apply some "brand new" makeup on the old lies the serpent told Eve!

What's the actual translation of "universalism"? It's ecumenism! In plain words it's Babylon, the apostate ***** that is mother of all ******! At the end of times all religious beliefs will be united as much as possible. Then the devil posing as the antichrist will ask all people living on earth to worship him instead of the True God.
 
The preacher and his heresy BILL Johnson is at the for-front of latter-day heresy The go and lie on the graves of famous passed away Christians graves to soak up the anointings from their dead bones They have gold dust falling on them and glory clouds appearing during services? They sell books with titles like Gods quantum field vibration? They claim to be latter-day apostles just like those of the Lord Jesus but apparently greater and with more authority? We now have a woman by the name of Kat Kerr who claims to have visited heaven thousands of times even sitting on the lap of Almighty God the father who apparently is a huge caucasian white man with a neat moustache long flowing white hair who has a sweet tooth and eats candy? Kat Kerr is allowed to sit on Gods lap because she is without sin? She tells us that Jesus is a tattoed biker with his own Harley Davison motorbike which he uses to get around heaven faster And OH! Yes, Jesus loves to play golf up there. NOW KAT KERR CAN LIE HERSELF RIGHT DOWN INTO HELL BUT WHAT CONCERNS I IS THOUSANDS BELIEVE HER OUTRAGEOUS LYING GARBAGE
 
The preacher and his heresy BILL Johnson is at the for-front of latter-day heresy The go and lie on the graves of famous passed away Christians graves to soak up the anointings from their dead bones They have gold dust falling on them and glory clouds appearing during services? They sell books with titles like Gods quantum field vibration? They claim to be latter-day apostles just like those of the Lord Jesus but apparently greater and with more authority? We now have a woman by the name of Kat Kerr who claims to have visited heaven thousands of times even sitting on the lap of Almighty God the father who apparently is a huge caucasian white man with a neat moustache long flowing white hair who has a sweet tooth and eats candy? Kat Kerr is allowed to sit on Gods lap because she is without sin? She tells us that Jesus is a tattoed biker with his own Harley Davison motorbike which he uses to get around heaven faster And OH! Yes, Jesus loves to play golf up there. NOW KAT KERR CAN LIE HERSELF RIGHT DOWN INTO HELL BUT WHAT CONCERNS I IS THOUSANDS BELIEVE HER OUTRAGEOUS LYING GARBAGE

LISTEN TO KAT KERR ANSWERING QUESTION ABOUT "HEAVEN"?
 
3. Acceptance of Jesus, but a denial of His blood atonement

New Age thought leaders almost always couch their teachings in Christian language. Jesus is an example of someone who attained enlightenment by connecting with the divine—an example any of us can follow. His death wasn't a saving act...the "saving" comes from within ourselves when we realize we have the same capabilities as Jesus already within us. This is often referred to as "Christ consciousness." This is why many New Agers see no contradiction in reciting the Lord's prayer while believing in karma and the healing power of crystals. Of course, this is an outright denial of His atoning death and resurrection.

Many (not all) Progressive Christians also deny the blood atonement of Jesus. Last year, popular Christian musician Michael Gungor took to Twitter to rant about the idea of God requiring a blood sacrifice for sin, calling it "horrific." In his controversial book, Love Wins, Rob Bell refers to this idea as something Christians simply picked up from surrounding cultures and used to explain the death of Jesus. In a 2016 lecture explaining the Eucharist (Communion for us Protestants), Bell joked about the ridiculousness of atonement theory, summing it up as: “God is less grumpy because of Jesus.” This gave the audience a good laugh, as Bell went on to explain that the real reason we pass the bread and wine is to "heighten our senses to our bonds with our brothers and sisters in our shared humanity."

Many Progressive Christian leaders have popularized the phrase "cosmic child abuse," a term first coined by Steve Chalke to protest the idea that a loving God would require a blood sacrifice for the sin of mankind.
This is an extremely important difference manifesting itself to the point where many are receiving a 'another Jesus' (2Cor 11:4) and many Christians barge into His presence without any thoughts of the cost it took for such a great privilege, thus resulting often with proud presumptuous and unthankful hearts.
 
Jesus spoke about the time from Moses up to the present time in which John and Jesus proclaimed the Gospel to the masses.

Mat 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and the violent take it by force.

We normally think of a "violent" person as someone who harms people. But a violent person is also someone who does things without first thinking about the cost, and or the consequences of their actions. Many people followed Jesus and heard his words he spoke for many different reasons. Jesus spoke about hell and the results of not believing. How many would say they believe, but never considered the cost of being a disciple of Jesus? There are many violent people in the Church today who want salvation based on their own works, and their own ideas of what truth really is. Who would really deny themselves, and hate their own life to follow Jesus?

The same kind of mental mindset is found when Jesus fed the five thousand. After Jesus had fed the five thousand he went to the other side, and the masses followed. When they found Jesus, Jesus said to them.......

John 6:25 And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?
John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
 
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