'Baby Bible Basher' film

[Maureen]

This film was only televised here the other night, and seeing as this is the only sort of stuff I do watch on TV I did.

I'm wondering what your comments are on this, for those who have saw it or even if you haven't I'm sure you know the sort of thing.

My heart went out to the little seven year old, blonde boy, he travelled around in an RV with his parents, and they preached the gospel, giving out tracks and speaking. That little boy was very passionate for the Gospel, and pointing people to Jesus, I didn't see how he was 'brainwashed' as this was the intention of the film.

I didn't see the part outside the abortion clinic, but I can just imagine how that must have touched some hearts.
My husband who also watched it was of course totally appauled, then being unsaved that is a natural reaction, but so was my Mum and she is saved, I explainded about the little blonde boy, how sincere he was, he knew what he was talking about, and our own Pastor is saved from 7year old.

It made me wonder just what sort of man he'd grow into.
His Dad had said that he had come from a bad life of drunkeness and drugs and then Jesus saved him, only obvious he'd want to tell about it, and teach his children.

His little son had asked him at the age of 3 would sin take you to hell, so even at a very young age, he was learning.
I could see only good, I won't comment about the other 2 children, the little girl spoke mostly in her own language anyway.
The other was a black boy of 9yrs, all I will say regards him is that his Dad seemed to be running a business, and getting him to autograph photo's it seemed much to be about him and not the Lord, as I did hear him say (the boy) look how famous I am, I'm known all over the world'
Thats all I'd like to comment on those others.

Psalm 8 v2
Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.
Matthew 21 v 16And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?

These verses speak to me about it all.

 

[rizen1]

I've watched videos on youtube.

The boy at the abortion clinic, I'm not sure he's held as highly as the girl and the other boy. Those two play a part in their church ,plus I they are older.

The 9 year old boy I've seen him outside of the show meaning, without the propaganda. I saw them online over a year ago. The kids come from different denominations which explain their preaching style. The 7yr old is fire and brimstone...its cute coming from a kid but I can understand why others would shake their heads, they see a baby who hasnt yet seen the world yet condemns them.

My biggest problem with the documentary is that the goal is not to show the success of Child evangalist but rather a circus show of parents having their kids like puppets.

All three kids are the same, give the 7yr old 2 more years he'll be just like the 9yr old. The thing about the film industry, they can edit and create stuff for us to form opinions ( we think its our own thoughts but its really the story line they intended ).

I think the director was trying to show that none of the kids are real, that they are only repeating what their parents told them to do.

An adult who is not saved hearing a child talk about Homosexuality finds the child rude and hateful, repeating lies their parents brainwashed them with.

But Us born again believers, sit in awe at those kids.

All three kids are being coached by their parents and pastors. Until we sit with these kids personally it would be unfair to critic them based on this bias film.

I know I had great leaders who coached me, and thats why I'm the woman of God I am today.

I pray that God will continue using them, that all deceiving spirits and pride be put down in their lives....they have alot more growing to do. People with bad motives will always bring confusion. Thats why its important that parents pray for the youth department at church.

 

[Maureen]

The names of the children are:-
Samuel Boutwell the 7yr old from Mississippi
Terry Durham 9yr old from Florida
Ana Carolina Dias preaching from 3yrs old now about 9yrs from Brazil

Chad, hopefully will be setting up the poll for this.
I have asked nicely, well I hope nice enough.

Until we sit with these kids personally it would be unfair to critic them based on this bias film.
I know I had great leaders who coached me, and thats why I'm the woman of God I am today. to quote Rizen1
and I must agree,
also its cute coming from a kid but I can understand why others would shake their heads, they see a baby who hasnt yet seen the world yet condemns them.
They don't see it as coming from God, they only see the mouth that speaks it, so true, can't see past the speaker.

I saw many laughing at him, although he wasn't disturbed by them, but at one stage it nearly broke my heart for him, when he was really crying after arriving in New York it says this from Channel 4 online about it:-
but in Samuel's eyes, these people are rejecting God and embracing the Devil.
which was breaking his little heart, how I pray this little boy keeps holding onto Jesus hem, and walks with him, won't some people have to eat their own words.

I have a little Grandson who's 10yrs and I would love nothing better for him to be on fire for our God, but I know at the same time he'd be ridiculed even from my own family and me along with him for inspiring him, it's the same thing for these kids, they're not even getting giving a chance before the world condemns them but that's typical.
When he did get saved, someone said to me, that's you, can't remember who said it, but its in my memory, I said no, that's Jesus, I do believe it was my husband, I don't think he meant it harmfully though, he just got it wrong.

 

[Chad]

Poll added per OP's request

 

[Maureen]

Chad thank you
I've another request, via p.m. for you.
if you would be so kind again.
Thank you again brother.

 

[rizen1]

I said yes..because it takes maturity to become Men and Women of God.

When my brother went to India, one of the leaders took his kids. And they helped out with the missionary work, they enjoyed the experienced.

Preaching can be broken into 2 actions.

A pastor ordained by God who delivers the word
or
Anyone spreading the gospel or talking about the word.

Making a Child a Pastor is like putting a lamb to watch the shepherd. I believe the lamb could be a leader over other lambs but all submission must be to the shepherd.

I think all kids should be able to understand the bible and share it with others. You can start training your Child from young and taking them out for training.

But we can not limit the Holy Spirit and who he wants to use. God will use anyone, but he would not do anything to go against his word.

I was a sunday school teachers and I knew who the future leaders were going to be.

The biggest problem with kids in these position, is that the ministry is more the "Parents will" rather than " God's will " and the by standers are so in awe with whats coming out of their mouths that they dont question if its God's will.

They say " well Jesus was preaching as a child "
I say " Jesus can not be compared with a child because he came on a special mission..the saviour. "

If Chad was to retire today and give the site over to a 7yr old would talkJesus be the same ?



Kids should be allowed in ministry having authority over adults or condeming adults is another question.

My thoughts on 7yr old Samuel..ask him a question outside of his parents script, then we'll see how much he truly understands. A child can get away with protesting in front of an abortion clinic, no one is going to call the police on him. An adult talking about Homosexuality in public is a hate crime. Sam is being sent out on the battlefield because no one can touch him.

The director calls it brainwashing, I see a church being creative.
I hope the parents of Sam is teaching him compassion and not just Hell and sinners.

Sam represent Hate, Ignorance and judgemental attitudes
Terry represent those mega churches run by famous pastors.
Ana represent spiritual abuse that religion can bring.

Each child represent a problem the world sees in adult Christians or Christianity on a whole. The director is now showing these problems manifested in kids or babies. The question is it abusive and brainwashing..yes to them.

No to God..he wants us to bring our kids up in the Church, all kids should be able to pray like Terry and Ana and all kids should be taught hell and Sin like Sam.

"Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it."
[Proverbs 22:6]

 

[Maureen]

Many great points there Rizen1
I personally think it will be in time, that will tell what way these children will develope.
They will either peter out, or be great people of God.
I know I'd prefer it to be the latter.
The whiles of the world have to hit them yet, and I pray that if they are really sincere that our Lord will protect them from what's ahead.

We shall know them by their fruits.

 

[rizen1]

I praise God for using you Maureen .

There is a message in this thread to parents.
I want to say something, this generation is full of kids and adults that " watch".

The pastor ask for volunteers we sit and watch the hands that raise.

Kids spend most of their time watching tv, surfing the web and playing video games.

What we are doing with our time ?
If 7yr old Sam can hit the streets..whats stopping your 14yr old. What is stopping me and you ?

I rather brain wash my kids with the word of God, than have the school system and internet brainwash them with lies of the devil.

Parents your kids are not to young to get involve in church.
Make it happen....

"Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it."
[Proverbs 22:6]

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[Dreamer]

Children can be saved at a very young age. No, they do not always necessarily preach, but one can see fruit in their lives!

Amy Carmichael, the great missionary to India, was saved when she was 4 years old. She remembers it well. She also remembers when God called her to missionary work. I believe she was about 7 when she surrendered to ministry.

James Dobson (Focus on the Family) remembers giving his heart to Christ when he was 3 years old. He is a mighty man of God who has influenced Christians, marriages, and children for all time! The generations to come will benefit from his work as he passes it down to new generations of believers.

Dobson and Carmichael may not have roamed the streets preaching as little tykes, but they certainly had the Holy Spirit inside of them to guide them and to give them Light to walk forward in the right direction. It's not always about what we say, and preaching isn't everything. Living the life is more important than what is said.

Abortion is wrong and if it takes a child to show the world, then I see no wrong. Only if that child were hurt in the process or the child was forced into saying those things. Children know by instinct that abortion is murder. Children have more sense than adults sometimes.

Remember the Lord calling little Samuel? At first, Samuel thought it was his master, Eli, calling him. But it was the Lord speaking to this precious little guy! Samuel replied, "Here I am, Lord!"

Jesus loves the little children. And they love Him too.

 

[Maureen]

My oldest Grandson is 9yrs.
While we were attending church, he would gest with me, that he was going to raise his hand at the alter call, he knew what it was about.
I kept telling him, don't you do it unless you really mean it in your heart.

A few weeks went by, and one Sunday night after the service, he said to me, Granny I raised my hand, I told him to stop keeping me going about that, but when I looked again at his wee face, he was so solemn and repeated, Granny I did raise my hand, I thought, he's not going to like this, (it was for my assurance) okay, we'll have to go into the Magee room, he wanted to know why, I told him, to give in your name and address, and let the Pastors know what you've done, well he just answered ok, I knew then he was telling the truth.

I really knew it when I just looked into that face, and it was solemn.
I can still see the look he had on it.

The first thing the Pastor told him was 'don't let anyone tell you your too young, I was 7, younger than you are now, and I'm now 33yrs and the Lord has kept me all through school and college.'
The first thing his Mum said was 'your too young' so weren't those very wise words of that young Pastor to him.

as you've just said yourelf Rizen1
Parents your kids are not to young to get involve in church.
Make it happen....

Kids are amazing, they have such big faith, they 'just' believe, that's why its easy for them to accept, not like us adults, we have to him and haw over it, it's a shame when that gets lost as age develops.

 

[emily445455]

I believe 100% children should be taught the Truth, ideally by their parents.

 

[Maureen]

Amen emily445455
Proverbs 22 v 6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

 

[threeyetone]

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Yes, I believe its wrong only because he is not old enough to know the Bible , He is still a child 7 years old is to young. If his parents are raising him up that way thats a good thing nevertheless the preaching should be done by an adult.

 

[mounty]

I have thought about this on and off for some time, i have watched the programme and some parts worried me greatly.

Although i was impressed by the fire these children had for Jesus and Faith, i felt the parents were pushing far too much. At one part of the programme the child was confronted by an angry mob on the streets while preaching and the fear and terror on that childs face was hard to watch.

At the end of the day these children are only children and being put in a situation were they are being verbally attacked by adult strangers is too much for such a young child.

Yes i agree with feeding their minds with passion and love for our King, but making them face some of the situations they were put in is not suitable for such a young child.

God Bless and Much Love

 

[KelliDett]

Yes, I believe its wrong only because he is not old enough to know the Bible , He is still a child 7 years old is to young. If his parents are raising him up that way thats a good thing nevertheless the preaching should be done by an adult.

I agree with this.

I have thought about this on and off for some time, i have watched the programme and some parts worried me greatly.

Although i was impressed by the fire these children had for Jesus and Faith, i felt the parents were pushing far too much. At one part of the programme the child was confronted by an angry mob on the streets while preaching and the fear and terror on that childs face was hard to watch.

At the end of the day these children are only children and being put in a situation were they are being verbally attacked by adult strangers is too much for such a young child.

Yes i agree with feeding their minds with passion and love for our King, but making them face some of the situations they were put in is not suitable for such a young child.

God Bless and Much Love

I didn't see the film, but this would definitely bother me. Great that the kids have passion, but putting them in these types of situations is wrong, imo.