Banned from CARM for Relying ONLY on the KJV? Come Here!!!

[GodB4Us]

Although Talk Jesus forum's go to Bible version is the NLT, like when you put your mouse pointer over a scripture reference, it pops up a little window showing that verse in the NLT and one can click on that reference and take you to that web page showing the scriptural reference in its entirety in the NLT, there is another option for using a Bible preference you can use here at Talk Jesus;

The link button will pop up a small window for you to insert a link to that Bible web site ( mine is Bible Gateway ) and there is another slot for typing in the Bible verse you are referencing and you can add the Bible version like KJV after it before pushing that "insert" button for when it will provide that link in green for readers to click on to read that Bible version's reference at your Bible website of your choice.

And you can reference any other Bible version that way too in case you wish to share a comparison for why the KJV is better as I have found the KJV to keep the meat, the truth, in His words so we can discern good & evil with His help whereas other Bible versions have been known to change the message in His words that supports false teachings and supernatural tongues which is gibberish nonsense and so assumed for private use, that is not of Him at all.

CARM forums should not represent all Christian forums if you have a beef against them for banning you like that. You probably have been warned by other members about the unfair moderation in that forum when it comes to believers that prefer the KJV in how they treat them as if they believe everything about the cultist KJVO. And yet no one can prove who is the authority of all things KJVO to be KJVO, but the anti-KJVO are coming across as anti-KJV, though they deny it.

Makes me wonder why they place that sub forum King James "Only" in the Theology sub section instead of the Cults/Groups sub section or the Religious Movements sub section for the way CARM treat those who prefer the KJV. Makes CARM look like they are baiting those who prefer the KJV as well as those who identify themselves as KJVO to think that CARM is KJV "Only" preference when it is not.

But hey. If you got banned, you ought to know what I am talking about because they did it to me.

God be willing, Talk Jesus & staff can provide a safe environment for those who rely on the KJV while seeking edification in the scripture. You can be KJV preference here even though currently, Talk Jesus go to Bible version is NLT.

Disclaimer; this message of invitation has not been approved by Talk Jesus staff. It is a political & legal statement in case CARM might take offense for drawing all banned members here although I do not see why they would or could. Of course, if active members leave CARM for here, then it's no one's fault but their own. Things may have changed since I have been banned from there, but I seriously doubt it, seeing how King James "Only" is still in Theology sub section.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Brother @GodB4Us
An option that anyone using Scripture verses in their Threads/Postings can do is by adding the initials of the Translation they prefer to use or are referencing after the Book, Chapter, verse.
Hover over the verses and you should see the same Translation that you have used. Apparently the KJV and the Amplified don't register so, if someone prefers those, then probably copying and pasting them is suggested. There might be others, but hopefully this will help anyone who has a preference.

John 3:16 ESV - "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16 KJV - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 NLT - "For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16 NKJV - "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 AMPC - For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.
John 3:16 NASB20 - "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:16 NASB95 - "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:16 YLT - for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.

Since I've been a member and moderator, I haven't been told that there is a specific Translation that is to only be used here on Talk Jesus. However, we have had some members who are KJVO and will attempt to denigrate anyone who uses anything else! The same can be said for those who are against the NIV. Each person has a preference. and I honestly believe that the Holy Spirit in a person can have them the understanding of what Scripture is saying regardless of the Translation being used.

Appreciate the "Disclaimer"

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator/YBIC
Nick
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[GodB4Us]

Dear Brother @GodB4Us
An option that anyone using Scripture verses in their Threads/Postings can do is by adding the initials of the Translation they prefer to use or are referencing after the Book, Chapter, verse.
Hover over the verses and you should see the same Translation that you have used. Apparently the KJV and the Amplified don't register so, if someone prefers those, then probably copying and pasting them is suggested. There might be others, but hopefully this will help anyone who has a preference.

John 3:16 ESV - "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16 KJV - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 NLT - "For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16 NKJV - "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 AMPC - For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.
John 3:16 NASB20 - "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:16 NASB95 - "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:16 YLT - for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.

Thanks for the added information for potential seekers out there on the internet.

Since I've been a member and moderator, I haven't been told that there is a specific Translation that is to only be used here on Talk Jesus. However, we have had some members who are KJVO and will attempt to denigrate anyone who uses anything else! The same can be said for those who are against the NIV. Each person has a preference. and I honestly believe that the Holy Spirit in a person can have them the understanding of what Scripture is saying regardless of the Translation being used.

Although I have come across Bible versions that supports false teachings & false tongues, for why they refuse what is written in the KJV, even those who claim to be KJVO, there is no point attacking others for using other Bible versions if God is not causing the increase for them to see & value to apply the KJV for the truth of His words in exposing the works of darkness in modern Bibles that support false teachings.

Example; some would use Romans 8:26-27 NIV as if the holy Spirit is uttering His intercessions directly Himself out loud for believing the lie that God's gift of tongues can be for private use, but in that same Bible, is John 16:13 NIV that says the Holy Spirit will only speak what He hears and so He cannot use God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people, to turn it around for His own use in uttering His prayers out loud in a secret language.

It is by Romans 8:26-27 NIV is why they would doubt His words in John 16:13 NIV but the KJV has with groanings which cannot be uttered meaning no sound at all for why it lines up with John 16:13 in that Bible version and since scripture cannot go against scripture as we are to use the meat of God's words to discern good & evil, is why I rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words in discerning good & evil.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. KJV

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. KJV

The KJV and a few other modern bibles has kept the truth in Romans 8:26 in lining up with John 16:13 and this is important to know because the Holy Spirit in every believer does this type of silent intercessions for each believer He inhabits. Verse 27 is really Jesus as the "he" as the One that searches our hearts as confirmed in Hebrews 4:12-16 as "he" is the One that knows the mind of the Spirit to give the Spirit's silent intercessions to the Father because this is in according to the will of God of Jesus being the only Mediator between God and man 1 Timothy 2:5 as the son is the One that answers prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers. John 14:13-14

This is how and why the Father knows before we ask anything in prayer.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

I can use any Bible verson to preach the gospel, but when it comes to false teachings for why not all Bibles are saying the same thing, & why there are so many false teachings out there, is why I use the KJV for reproofs.

So I agree with you that there are those who would denigrate others for not using the KJV, but that would mean they might as well not have said that because if they do not listen any more when that is done to them, then neither will others.

Best to correct by the scriptures in comparison and leave the increase to God. Address the issue and not the poster, and I sure do need His help and grace to do that. Probably why the Lord has moderators in Christian forums

Appreciate the "Disclaimer"

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator/YBIC
Nick
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You are welcome.

I appreciate all the Lord has used you for in moderating this forum and answering questions from the staff regarding that portion of Statement of Faith of Talk Jesus earlier. Thank you, Lord Jesus and thank you too, Nick.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Brother, @GodB4Us
Appreciate your reply. I'm not sure that I agree with you completely on the NIV verses you referenced.
Why say you?
Because is it with the Scripture Translation that the issue is with or with the interpretation that the individual is giving to the verses quoted?
Too often context is removed from what the person is quoting in order to make whatever point they desire to make.
For instance:

Example; some would use Romans 8:26-27 NIV as if the holy Spirit is uttering His intercessions directly Himself out loud for believing the lie that God's gift of tongues can be for private use, but in that same Bible, is John 16:13 NIV that says the Holy Spirit will only speak what He hears and so He cannot use God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people, to turn it around for His own use in uttering His prayers out loud in a secret language.

It is by Romans 8:26-27 NIV is why they would doubt His words in John 16:13 NIV but the KJV has with groanings which cannot be uttered meaning no sound at all for why it lines up with John 16:13 in that Bible version and since scripture cannot go against scripture as we are to use the meat of God's words to discern good & evil, is why I rely only on the KJV for the meat of His words in discerning good & evil.

If context is considered, then the Holy Spirit is not speaking of His own, but rather what He hears. So, John 16:13 in the NIV & KJV below are in agreement.
Note: I've underlined the appropriate portions to compare.

Jhn 16:13 NIV - But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
Jhn 16:13 KJV - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Now let's take a look at Romans 8:26-27 in both Translations.

Rom 8:26 NIV - In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.
Rom 8:27 NIV - And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God's people in accordance with the will of God.
Rom 8:26 KJV - Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Rom 8:27 KJV - And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.

My conclusion: Now about the only way confusion between both translations would exist is if one interpreted that in Romans 8:27 KJV & NIV "the mind of the Spirit" is speaking of other then man himself. Otherwise, whether "wordless groans" or "groanings which cannot be uttered" reflect that in truth what is being communicated is something that is in us "searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit", but for which we ourselves are not able to verbalize "for we know not what we should pray for as we ought", so that it is done for us. To me this just confirms what John 16:13 speaks of "for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak". I do believe that God knows us better than we know ourselves and for good reason!

My thoughts are that many will use whatever they read and it matters not which translation it is, to their own purposes, and not for what God has intended.

Which is sad really, because humility is hard to find, and even harder to hold onto brother! In truth I have to catch myself as well so as to not fall into that trap. I must be willing to be wrong, and God right! I guess in many ways that is why 1 Corinthians 13 for me is eye opening on many different levels, but the one that most especially important to me is how I interact with others, during even the most trying of times. Easier to do online since I can just move away from the PC, but not always possible face to face, and so my downfall, more times then I'd care to admit!

Well that last paragraph was kind of off topic but I do want to say I appreciate your sharing what you have. Not only here but in your other postings as well.
God Bless Brother.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[GodB4Us]

Dear Brother, @GodB4Us
Appreciate your reply. I'm not sure that I agree with you completely on the NIV verses you referenced.
Why say you?
Because is it with the Scripture Translation that the issue is with or with the interpretation that the individual is giving to the verses quoted?
Too often context is removed from what the person is quoting in order to make whatever point they desire to make.
For instance:

If context is considered, then the Holy Spirit is not speaking of His own, but rather what He hears. So, John 16:13 in the NIV & KJV below are in agreement.
Note: I've underlined the appropriate portions to compare.

Jhn 16:13 NIV - But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
Jhn 16:13 KJV - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

That is correct but as those who misapply Romans 8:26-27 NIV as supporting tongues for private use would ignore John 16:13 NIV and doubt Jesus meant that for why many tongue speakers today assumes the Holy Spirit is praying in tongues.

Now let's take a look at Romans 8:26-27 in both Translations.

Rom 8:26 NIV - In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.
Rom 8:27 NIV - And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God's people in accordance with the will of God.
Rom 8:26 KJV - Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Rom 8:27 KJV - And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.

Out of quote box for better reading....

My conclusion: Now about the only way confusion between both translations would exist is if one interpreted that in Romans 8:27 KJV & NIV "the mind of the Spirit" is speaking of other then man himself. Otherwise, whether "wordless groans" or "groanings which cannot be uttered" reflect that in truth what is being communicated is something that is in us "searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit", but for which we ourselves are not able to verbalize "for we know not what we should pray for as we ought", so that it is done for us. To me this just confirms what John 16:13 speaks of "for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak". I do believe that God knows us better than we know ourselves and for good reason!

Clarity is needed because I see this "he" that searches our hearts is Jesus of Whom we have to do per Hebrews 4:12-16 KJV as I see "he" knows the mind of the Spirit to give the Spirit's unuttered intercessions to the Father because Jesus is the only Mediator between God and man that the Son answers the prayers for whatever intercessions the Father agrees with s that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers per John 14:13-14 KJV. In other words, all intercessions to the Father, including the unuttered intercession of the Spirit's have to go through Jesus Christ to the Father as the Son answers the prayers so the Father may be given thanks in Jesus's name. I believe that is the truth at the latter end of Romans 8:27 about being according to the will of God that Jesus is the only Mediator between God and men 1 Timothy 2:5 ; and not referring to the Holy Spirit at all which the Romans 8:27 NIV says it does in error.

It is a grammatical error being committed in Romans 8:27 NIV in that this "he" has to be separate from us in searching our hearts and therefore separate from the Spirit in knowing the mind of the Spirit for why it is not of man or ourselves but Jesus doing the searching of the hearts & knowing the mind of the Spirit.

Also in Romans 8:26 NIV, wordless groans would suggest sounds are being uttered as if the Holy Spirit is uttering groaning sounds from Himself while uttering His intercessions which is not true because that would mean He is speaking from Himself and John 16:13 NIV and KJV says He cannot do that.

Anyway, you are right about how a believer applies Romans 8:26-27 NIV to mean as some will say that is about tongues for private use whereas others that use tongues for private use will say it is not saying that even for the KJV, but the KJV testify that the Holy Spirit cannot even utter His groanings for why there is no sound at all thus aligning with John 16:13 in the KJV as not being able to speak from Himself but speaks what He hears, and He cannot utter groanings from Himself even though He can be grieved ( Ephesians 4:30 ) and thus having groans within Himself that cannot be uttered.

My thoughts are that many will use whatever they read and it matters not which translation it is, to their own purposes, and not for what God has intended.

I cannot cause the increase for why I am led to rely on the KJV in these latter days, but I do have trouble correcting tongue speakers today where some do apply that to mean tongues for private use for why it is gibberish nonsense. When the NIV says the Spirit intercedes Himself rather than how the KJV has it with "itself" thus inferring the Spirit as a means by which His intercessions are given to God, since He cannot give them Himself but Jesus can and does by knowing the mind of the Spirit, It rebuffs tongue speakers today because Romans 8:26-27 in the KJV is for every believer so that non tongue speakers do not feel left out as if the Spirit is not making any intercessions for them and wonders if they have the holy Spirit at all. But the next thing we know, they are seeking to receive the Holy Spirit by that sign of tongues and it happens but it is not God's gift of tongues and neither is that phenomenon later in their life as a saved believer.

And yet tongues were not supposed to serve as a sign to believers at all but to the unbelievers.

Which is sad really, because humility is hard to find, and even harder to hold onto brother! In truth I have to catch myself as well so as to not fall into that trap. I must be willing to be wrong, and God right! I guess in many ways that is why 1 Corinthians 13 for me is eye opening on many different levels, but the one that most especially important to me is how I interact with others, during even the most trying of times. Easier to do online since I can just move away from the PC, but not always possible face to face, and so my downfall, more times then I'd care to admit!

Well that last paragraph was kind of off topic but I do want to say I appreciate your sharing what you have. Not only here but in your other postings as well.
God Bless Brother.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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I appreciate you bringing a different perspective regarding man ... not really sure if I understand that since no man can know the mind of the Holy Spirit and so I am probably misunderstanding you there. Sorry if I did.

I can hope He has helped me to convey what I have come across regarding this issue with the Romans 8:26-27 NIV for why I am relying on the KJV, but only He can show the value of it for why I rely on the KJV for the meat of His words.

I do thank you for sharing. I have to make supper for my folks and myself.

May God bless you & keep you. May He shine His face upon you and give you His peace.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Brother,
I'd have to disagree with how you stated the below, for clearly John 16:13 KJV does not say "He cannot do that", but rather "He will not" (underlined below in the verses as well in your statement). Does it mean that He is constrained or lacks the ability to do so if I were to accept your take below to be true? I don't believe so, but rather His place in the hierarchy of the Godhead in this instance does not require Him to communicate anything but what He has hear.

Also in Romans 8:26 NIV, wordless groans would suggest sounds are being uttered as if the Holy Spirit is uttering groaning sounds from Himself while uttering His intercessions which is not true because that would mean He is speaking from Himself and John 16:13 NIV and KJV says He cannot do that.

Jhn 16:13 NIV - But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
Jhn 16:13 KJV - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Now below you might take it to mean that the NIV in Romans 8:27 is stating that He is taking the place of Jesus, but I'm sorry but I don't read it that way. The reason being that what is done is in accordance with "the will of God". So, both translations are communicating the Spirit as being the Holy Spirit or Jesus Christ (?), which leaves the interpretation of this verse regardless of Translation up to the understanding of the individual of who is being spoken of here and not because the Translation incorrectly suggests something else.

Clarity is needed because I see this "he" that searches our hearts is Jesus of Whom we have to do per Hebrews 4:12-16 KJV as I see "he" knows the mind of the Spirit to give the Spirit's unuttered intercessions to the Father because Jesus is the only Mediator between God and man that the Son answers the prayers for whatever intercessions the Father agrees with s that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers per John 14:13-14 KJV. In other words, all intercessions to the Father, including the unuttered intercession of the Spirit's have to go through Jesus Christ to the Father as the Son answers the prayers so the Father may be given thanks in Jesus's name. I believe that is the truth at the latter end of Romans 8:27 about being according to the will of God that Jesus is the only Mediator between God and men 1 Timothy 2:5 ; and not referring to the Holy Spirit at all which the Romans 8:27 NIV says it does in error.

As you have clearly shown the first part of Romans 8:27 KJV "And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit" " and NIV "And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit" would first have to have clear understanding of Who searches our hearts, and as you have clearly shown it is Jesus, who is the Word of God (Hebrews 4:12-19 KJV or NIV).

For me there is no conflict between Translations though it appears you believe one exists.

Rom 8:27 NIV - And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God's people in accordance with the will of God.

Rom 8:27 KJV - And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.

1Ti 2:5 KJV - For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:5 NIV - For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,

I appreciate you getting back to me. It's always a joy for me to go through Scripture. Sadly, I don't always make as much time as I should to do so!

I hope that dinner for you and your parents comes out in a fashion that receives only accolades for how well it came out!!!
Now to go see about leftovers for my family! LOL

God Bless you Brother.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[GodB4Us]

Dear Brother,
I'd have to disagree with how you stated the below, for clearly John 16:13 KJV does not say "He cannot do that", but rather "He will not" (underlined below in the verses as well in your statement). Does it mean that He is constrained or lacks the ability to do so if I were to accept your take below to be true? I don't believe so, but rather His place in the hierarchy of the Godhead in this instance does not require Him to communicate anything but what He has hear.

I suppose it is questionable, but if one asks can the Holy Spirit stop one moment in not being the Spirit of Christ and speak from Himself, His own words? Then I would believe He cannot do that and not just He will not do that.

Now below you might take it to mean that the NIV in Romans 8:27 is stating that He is taking the place of Jesus, but I'm sorry but I don't read it that way. The reason being that what is done is in accordance with "the will of God". So, both translations are communicating the Spirit as being the Holy Spirit or Jesus Christ (?), which leaves the interpretation of this verse regardless of Translation up to the understanding of the individual of who is being spoken of here and not because the Translation incorrectly suggests something else.

I would always refer the Spirit in scripture as testifying to the Holy Spirit. Otherwise, to blur the line between the Son & the Spirit would probably bring about the falsehood that it does not matter Who we go to in prayer or when coming to God the Father when it does. The role of the Holy spirit is to point us to the Son thru us ( John 15:26-27 )as scripture does as well ( John 5:39-40 ), and so scripture would be definite in assigning Who is being addressed in scripture to be clear.

As you have clearly shown the first part of Romans 8:27 KJV "And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit" " and NIV "And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit" would first have to have clear understanding of Who searches our hearts, and as you have clearly shown it is Jesus, who is the Word of God (Hebrews 4:12-19 KJV or NIV).

For me there is no conflict between Translations though it appears you believe one exists.

Well when you try to correct somebody using that reference in the NIV for supporting tongues for private use in how the "Holy Spirit" will turn Gods gift of tongues around to "pray" back to God, you may see my problem then.

I understand that you see nothing wrong between the translations, but I do when others use it to support tongues for private use by what is plainly written in the NIV for that support. Maybe by coming across such believers in how they apply it, you may see how idle those words are in the NIV that to avoid any lie, the meat of His words is kept in the KJV after all, where I do not see any wiggle room for supporting tongues for private use.

1Ti 2:5 KJV - For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:5 NIV - For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,

I appreciate you getting back to me. It's always a joy for me to go through Scripture. Sadly, I don't always make as much time as I should to do so!

Well I appreciate you in being straight forward with me in what you see and although I know I cannot convince you, if the Lord will judge us for every idle word we speak, then I cannot how see His words ever being idle to be taken the wrong way.

Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

Again, I suppose you may see the validity of my concern between translations when you come across those that apply Romas 8:26-27 NIV as is, for supporting tongues for private use.

I hope that dinner for you and your parents comes out in a fashion that receives only accolades for how well it came out!!!

I wish. It was one of those frozen skillet meals and so it was quick and easy to fix.

Now to go see about leftovers for my family! LOL

May God bless you & yours.

God Bless you Brother.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Thank you, brother Nick.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Brother, @GodB4Us
I would only tell you to not hold it against others who happen to use other translations dated after the KJV.
To avoid difficulties in the future, when discussing certain doctrines, or any doctrine for study. Allow yourselves to come to an agreement by which a specific translation will be used.
Hopefully, this way there will be less chance of butting heads on certain words that in truth should not change the understanding of what God has to tell us through Scripture.

Glad to hear the frozen skillet meal went over well (?). I use them more often than I would want to, but in truth I'm not that much of a cook! :-( To the chagrin I'm sure of both my wife & son! My wife was the real cook of the family, but now that she is disabled, cooking is out of the question. I do appreciate her all the more for the years she did do the cooking!!!

Anyway, God Bless, and may God's Grace be showered upon your family and you!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[GodB4Us]

Dear Brother, @GodB4Us
I would only tell you to not hold it against others who happen to use other translations dated after the KJV.

I do not, thanks to the Lord for that. Sometimes I come across those that claim they rely only on the KJV but when confronted with scripture that reproves a false teaching they are in, they switch to another Bible version, and if I recall correctly, it was Bible NET or something in that regard on the internet more so than another Bible version, but it has happened. I may emphasize the KJV in comparison, but only God can cause the increase to see why I am reliant on the KJV.

To avoid difficulties in the future, when discussing certain doctrines, or any doctrine for study. Allow yourselves to come to an agreement by which a specific translation will be used.
Hopefully, this way there will be less chance of butting heads on certain words that in truth should not change the understanding of what God has to tell us through Scripture.

Well, to be fair, when translations comes into question, Jesus did warn us that we will need His help to discern who loved Him to keep His words from those that do not as this warning was from the Father.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

There is a specific Greek word which is "pneuma" for spirit and other Greek words for pronouns like "ho" that has to be defined by how it is used in the verse to what that message is since "pneuma" is not always referring to the Person of the Holy Spirit. Example John 6:63 & 2 Corinthians 3:6 in some Bible versions has capitalized spirit when they should not have.

The varied definitions of pneuma or spirit is "from pnew - pneo 4154; a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit:--ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind. Compare yuch - psuche 5590."

The highlighted is what I believe is why spirit should not be capitalized in John 6:63 & 2 Corinthians 3:6. Since they did not capitalized spirit in the times of the Nicene creed of 381 A.D., I can see why they made the error that the Spirit gives life when it is the Son of God that should have that title as the Giver of Life as He is the bread of life that gives life to the world John 6:30-36 KJV Scripture even proves what scripture should be pointing to, to get life and that is the Son of God John 5:39-40

There is a history behind Westcott & Hort WESTCOTT AND HORT IN THEIR OWN WORDS and although I did not peruse that site, I can see how they may have made an error thinking verse 27 was about the Holy Spirit rather than maintain the pronoun "he" at the end of verse 27 because of verse 26.

Anyway, I leave the ministry to the Lord to show the value of the KJV for the meat of His words. Like when correcting others that believe they are in a process of being saved as they are not saved yet because of 1 Corinthians 1:18.

! Corinthians 1:18 KJV & NASB & NLT in Comparison Some will contend that the KJV is wrong but when Paul is speaking for himself and other believers, then it is past tense as we are saved. Since scripture cannot go against scripture, I can see the truth lined up in the KJV than the NASB & NLT 1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV & NASB & NLT in Comparison that God is pleased to save those that believe.

Even though the NASB & the NLT has the truth in His words how God is pleased to save those that believe in 1 Corinthians 1:21, this is how false teachings continue unreproved because of selected Bible verses regardless of what other scripture testify in that Bible version.

Sometimes, because not all Bible versions are saying the same thing, believers have trouble seeing the meat in His words to discern good evil by His words.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: 12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it. 13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.

Granted, those who follow His voice would prefer His actual words over that which causes doubts in His words and not every one will be led astray by false teachings derived from modern bibles, but it is why I rely on the KJV for the meat.

Hebrews 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Having been led astray by my NASB Study Bible when I was in high school, thinking it was wrong for me to be angry per Jesus's words in Matthew 5:22 KJV NASB & NLT in spite of Paul's words in Ephesians 4:26 KJV & NASB & NLT I sided with Jesus's words just in case. Eventually, the Lord led me to rely on the KJV for how His words did line up with Paul's words that it was okay to be angry but not to sin nor let the sun go down on our anger. This was during the time I was led to believe that Jesus wanted me to make a commitment to make Him Lord of my life rather than just believe, and I went astray by it, doing the best I can trying to keep it while failing miserably until the Lord led me to rely on him all the time for following Him rather than looking to myself in doing the best I can in keeping that commitment to make Him Lord of my life in following Him. I do not need to make that commitment nor promise when I acknowledge He is Lord of my life and He wants me to trust Him in His New Covenant to me that He will do it; He will help me to follow Him.

Anyway, not sure when I started relying only on the KJV since I have a daily bible reading in the NIV. but since that time, I just use the NIV for whatever references I need to read in Psalms & Proverbs in the KJV with whatever thought for the day in the NIV at night before bed as of now. Again, my preference is something I believe the Lord led me to have and only He can do the same for others to value the meat as in the actual truth in His words in the KJV.

Is the KJV perfect? No. There are places where it can be translated better in English, but in comparison with other modern Bibles as far as keeping the truth in His words, is why I rely on the KJV.

Glad to hear the frozen skillet meal went over well (?).

It did. My folks eat less and the meal package was for 2.5 servings. I was doing work outside that brought my sugar level down to 62 and I tested it again to make sure and then it was 66 for why I had to eat a snack before I ate my meal to prevent myself from going into that diabetic coma thing. The Lord takes care of me. I am thankful. Yep.

I use them more often than I would want to, but in truth I'm not that much of a cook! :-( To the chagrin I'm sure of both my wife & son! My wife was the real cook of the family, but now that she is disabled, cooking is out of the question. I do appreciate her all the more for the years she did do the cooking!!!

Not sure why, but for times that require more effort like making meatloaf, there is satisfaction in providing a meal made with love.

Anyway, God Bless, and may God's Grace be showered upon your family and you!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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May God bless you & keep you. May He shine His face upon you and give you His peace.

 

[GodB4Us]

@Christ4Ever

I am not sure if sharing my conviction may sometime come across as trying to convict others but I know it is on God to cause the increase for why I believe that would be a vain thing for me to "attempt" do, but at the same time, I do feel led to share my convictions for why and how He led me to rely on the KJV for the meat of His words whereas I have found modern Bibles supporting false teachings in one fashion or another.

It's like... those who believe I should keep the sabbath. Some will condemn me and some will say I am living in sin, but Matthew 12:1-8 is why I am not convicted as they are because Christ is in me and with me always for why I am guiltless.

So, it took the Lord a while for me to see why relying on the KJV for the meat of His words is best and so I do not expect any one to see that right away until they get frustrated with correcting others by modern Bibles to see why KJV is best.

Most avoid those who teach errors and it does seem like the Lord is not using me to correct by the KJV, even with those in false teachings that claim they rely only on the KJV and then they resort to Bible NET. and so now I wonder if I should even bother trying to correct any one by the scripture at all when they are so inclined to see only their false teaching no matter what opposing scripture says in whatever Bible version they are using.

I trust Him to lead me in this matter since it is His ministry. That is why His yoke is easy and His burden is light even in serving Him in ministry and not just for following Him in finding rest for my soul.

Thank you for sharing, Brother Nick.

May God bless you in your walk with Him.