Can a Christian person have demons?

[Admon Mikha'el]

Hehe... no... not the nomenclature. Rather, this idea of demons being disembodied spirits of the Nephilim:


@Br. Bear the two people positing this interpretation are both from Canada. It certainly hasn't seeped into the North East of the USA. Have you heard of this idea across the pond?


I've been told that Canadians don't get American humor. I guess it's true. My post was an ironic (not insulting) observation that the two people positing this interpretation were both from Canada, that's all. Egads... Has Trudeau made y'all into such touchy sensitive snowflakes? I thought Canadians couldn't be ruffled?

So again, is this a Canadian thing? From any special denomination in Canada? Or had you both (@Admon Mikha'el) arrived at this interpretation independently? Or are you friends from the same church? What's the deal?

Thanks,
Rhema

Rhema I've lived in the US for years, I'm married to an American woman.....I understand and enjoy American humor...Apparently you do not possess humor....You're not even a little bit funny....Your so called humor is more snide rancor than anything else. Maybe you should leaarn humor?
Canadians do have a rather droll humor overall....It comes from the British influence...

 

[Rhema]

Rhema All I know is that He speaks and I listen....

HOW??

By what means? Thoughts in your head? You just deciding "That sounds good, it must be true." ?

I'm asking you to describe the mechanism, the event, what goes on, what actually happens when "He speaks" and you listen.

To many it means.... "I read this part of the Bible, and whatever I believe it to mean is the Holy Spirit speaking to me."

How is your experience different than that?

I'm quite certain at this point, were you to ask any Pentecostal or Charismatic about how the Holy Spirit speaks, you would get a markedly different answer than what you believe.

All I know is ....

If you cannot describe what you know, ... then you don't know it. Or is it some kind of special "feeling" you get? Some "gut feeling"?

.Oh My! Rhema....Read what His Word says about you!

And right there is the rub. When you say "His Word" you mean BIBLE. No?

Yet the New Testament speaks of two completely different "Word of God"(s). There are two "His Word"(s), and neither is defined by the New Testament text as the Bible. And unless one reads Greek, you can't even see this. Why wouldn't the Holy Spirit lead you into this truth? Why wouldn't God lead you into the truth about what the New Testament means by "Word of God"(both of them) ??

My apologies if my frustration comes across as an attack on you. But I've encountered HUNDREDS of people who say the Holy Spirit speaks to them, yet it turns out they're just using their own noggin to try and understand what they read. And most of them disagree on everything.

If you think I got it wrong, Ok....Tell HIM about it...

I know you have it wrong. And He knows you have it wrong. It's easily proven, though I risk being banned due to the bias of this forum's moderators were I to post too vociferously.

But you've decided to reject my words (for some reason), and I'm wondering why you don't ask HIM about it.

After all, He speaks to you right? (Though we still don't know what that means.)

Blessings,
Rhema

 

[joecoten]

I guess this was for me, though it was posted as a general statement.

When did the name Beelzeboul mean Satan? When did that happen?


Well... if a prince was cast out, then he ain't no prince no more. Just some pathetic looser. Eh?


Yeah... this one needs a bit more consideration, since this reference is post Resurrection.

Why didn't Paul write "Satan" ?? After all, he used the word 10 times in his epistles, and THREE times in 2nd Corinthians. Were Paul to have meant Satan, here, he would have written Satan. But he didn't. Why? Because Paul wasn't referring to Satan. So who was the god of that age? Speak with any Roman and ask, "Who was the god of the underworld?" (Pluto) And, "Who is the god of the heavens?" (Uranus.) So to the Roman gentile, who would be the "god of the age/world"? The Emperor. EVERY Roman would tell you the Emperor was god. And truly, that god demanded ALL his citizens (save Jews) do obeisance to him as god. But if Paul wrote "the Emperor hath blinded the thoughts..." he would have been hunted down and executed. As it stood, while everybody knew what Paul meant (back then), there was just enough waggle room to let him get away with it.

The bottom line, though is:

(Matthew 28:18 KJV) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power/authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth.​

We either believe this or we don't.

Thanks,
Rhema

As Christians, we definitely have all authority over the enemy!

 

[Rhema]

Rhema I've lived in the US for years, I'm married to an American woman.....I understand and enjoy American humor...Apparently you do not possess humor....

Dude... look again... I wasn't even talking to you.

So why do you feel the need to lie if you live in the US? Your profile says Canada; that you're from Alberta.
(Notice you did not write, "I had lived in the US...")

You're not even a little bit funny....Your so called humor is more snide rancor than anything else. Maybe you should leaarn humor?

You really need to get a grip on why you have a snit with me. (Maybe you can find it in the mirror?)

Read my posts again, maybe you'll actually understand them this time.

Thanks,
Rhema

Hmmm... maybe I need to explain this better. The phrase "I had lived..." means you no longer do. The phrase "I have lived..." means you still do. Words matter.

 

[joecoten]

- Charles W. Missler (May 28, 1934 – May 1, 2018) was an American author, evangelical Christian, Bible teacher, engineer, and businessman.
- Douglas Hamp, Lead Pastor at The Way Congregation at The Way Congregation
- L. A. Marzulli is an author, lecturer, and filmmaker. He has penned twelve books including The Nephilim Trilogy which made the CBA best sellers list.
- Trey Smith, God In A Nutshell
The above were among my early main sources when I was first learning about the Nephilim. They are all American Christians.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

HOW??

By what means? Thoughts in your head? You just deciding "That sounds good, it must be true." ?

I'm asking you to describe the mechanism, the event, what goes on, what actually happens when "He speaks" and you listen.

To many it means.... "I read this part of the Bible, and whatever I believe it to mean is the Holy Spirit speaking to me."

How is your experience different than that?

I'm quite certain at this point, were you to ask any Pentecostal or Charismatic about how the Holy Spirit speaks, you would get a markedly different answer than what you believe.

If you cannot describe what you know, ... then you don't know it. Or is it some kind of special "feeling" you get? Some "gut feeling"?


And right there is the rub. When you say "His Word" you mean BIBLE. No?

Yet the New Testament speaks of two completely different "Word of God"(s). There are two "His Word"(s), and neither is defined by the New Testament text as the Bible. And unless one reads Greek, you can't even see this. Why wouldn't the Holy Spirit lead you into this truth? Why wouldn't God lead you into the truth about what the New Testament means by "Word of God"(both of them) ??

My apologies if my frustration comes across as an attack on you. But I've encountered HUNDREDS of people who say the Holy Spirit speaks to them, yet it turns out they're just using their own noggin to try and understand what they read. And most of them disagree on everything.


I know you have it wrong. And He knows you have it wrong. It's easily proven, though I risk being banned due to the bias of this forum's moderators were I to post too vociferously.

But you've decided to reject my words (for some reason), and I'm wondering why you don't ask HIM about it.

After all, He speaks to you right? (Though we still don't know what that means.)

Blessings,
Rhema

Tell my HOW you listen to the bird in the tree outside your window....Tell my how you listen to music. Its the same thing...Tell my how you listen to anything or anyone! Its the same thing....except I've learned to pay attention to what I hear.... Its not complicated....so don't complicate it But yes, He does talk to different people in different ways....He meets you where you are at....Where are you?

 

[PloughBoy]

As Christians, we definitely have all authority over the enemy!

Now, once again, may I ask who is The “ God” The Prince of This World describe by The New Testament Covenant writings? Could you tell me what “Translation are you reading. And if it is possible To Quote me that Text of Scripture and The Date of Publication, if possible. And where was It ratified. And who ratified it. and I am quite sure our readers would like to know.
About This Authority on planet earth, and while you at it, what about Pluto, Mars and Jupiter? And The 7 Seas.

Y’all going get me in trouble.

I thought y’all was my friends.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Dude... look again... I wasn't even talking to you.

So why do you feel the need to lie if you live in the US? Your profile says Canada; that you're from Alberta.
(Notice you did not write, "I had lived in the US...")


You really need to get a grip on why you have a snit with me. (Maybe you can find it in the mirror?)

Read my posts again, maybe you'll actually understand them this time.

Thanks,
Rhema

Hmmm... maybe I need to explain this better. The phrase "I had lived..." means you no longer do. The phrase "I have lived..." means you still do. Words matter.

So......Alberta is a province (state of you will) of Canada.....Now you may have learned something....So you were deriding Canadians and as a Canadian I have a right to answer. Lie? Are you all right? Do you need a doctor? I said "I lived (past tense) in the US...No lie. Using contractions in speaking does not constitute a lie.....
Honestly!! Some peoples children! You may want to learn English....The kind Americans speak

 

[PloughBoy]

Dude... look again... I wasn't even talking to you.

So why do you feel the need to lie if you live in the US? Your profile says Canada; that you're from Alberta.
(Notice you did not write, "I had lived in the US...")


You really need to get a grip on why you have a snit with me. (Maybe you can find it in the mirror?)

Read my posts again, maybe you'll actually understand them this time.

Thanks,
Rhema

Hmmm... maybe I need to explain this better. The phrase "I had lived..." means you no longer do. The phrase "I have lived..." means you still do. Words matter.

I am a citizen of The USA, Michigan, I spent a lot of my early years in Canada, just right a few miles from the Bridge and Tunnel, I owned Horses in Canada my Detroit neighborhood in which I lived had “ cottages in Canada we spent winters and summers all year long in Canada, a good reason the Canadians did not like Racism, against Black Americans and our dollar went A long way. And if you married a Canadian you Both Received “Dual Citizenship”. I do not know how it is now. I spent a lot of months and nights and days years in Canada, in the Providence of Ontario, Québec, and British Columbia,

So maybe my Brother has or had “Dual Citizenship” the USA and Canada.

 

[joecoten]

Now, once again, may I ask who is The “ God” The Prince of This World describe by The New Testament Covenant writings? Could you tell me what “Translation are you reading. And if it is possible To Quote me that Text of Scripture and The Date of Publication, if possible. And where was It ratified. And who ratified it. and I am quite sure our readers would like to know.
About This Authority on planet earth, and while you at it, what about Pluto, Mars and Jupiter? And The 7 Seas.

Y’all going get me in trouble.

I thought y’all was my friends.

Look it up, buttercup!

 

[God's Truth]

I do believe that Christians can have demons and go through deliverance but I want to get everyone’s input on it.

There are Christians who get ensnared by Satan to preach false doctrines.

 

[PloughBoy]

Look it up, buttercup!

You think?

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Look it up, buttercup!

LOLOL

 

[Shaolin]

I do believe that Christians can have demons and go through deliverance but I want to get everyone’s input on it.

I just saw this thread.

Firstly, Scripture is SILENT on this issue...I say that because so many claim the Bible says its impossible, but the Bible does not say anything on the subject. Having stated that, we can glean truths from Scripture that are not "physically" written in Scripture.

Having said that...I do not believe a Christian (Scripturally defined as a person who has received salvation and the indwelling Holy Spirit by coming to God on HIS terms - NOT the false terms many seem to believe today - and who are actively walking in obedience to God) can be demon possessed.

Here we must make a demarcation: there is a difference between full possession, and "having a demon" because full possession encompasses the whole physical person (hence the demon possessed can walk up walls, break iron fetters bare-handed, etc., via the demon's powers), while a person who only "has a demon" is not fully possessed...they have only gained access to the person in an area of the flesh.

A Christian (defined as above) cannot be demon possessed because the Spirit of God is dwelling in their spirits, and He won't share with demons...but I do believe that a Christian can have a demon in their flesh because they have been doing things - ungodly things - that opens the door to unclean spirits. Here is a Biblical example:

Luke 13:10-16
10 Now he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath.
11 And behold, there was a woman who had had a disabling spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not fully straighten herself.
12 When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said to her, "Woman, you are freed from your disability."
13 And he laid his hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and she glorified God.
14 But the ruler of the synagogue, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, said to the people, "There are six days in which work ought to be done. Come on those days and be healed, and not on the Sabbath day."
15 Then the Lord answered him, "You hypocrites! Does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the manger and lead it away to water it?
16 And ought not this woman, a daughter of Abraham whom Satan bound for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day?"

First, this woman Jesus called "a daughter of Abraham," and while I cannot go into all of the details here, this phrase distinguishes her as a saved person under the OT designation. She did not have the Holy Spirit indwelling her that the text tells us about, but she was walking with God. Second, she was not fully possessed, the demon was only in the flesh and caused her to be hunched over...once the demon was cast out, she was no longer disabled.

Blessings.

..

 

[joecoten]

" As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." - Ephesians 4:1-6

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I just saw this thread.

Firstly, Scripture is SILENT on this issue...I say that because so many claim the Bible says its impossible, but the Bible does not say anything on the subject. Having stated that, we can glean truths from Scripture that are not "physically" written in Scripture.

Having said that...I do not believe a Christian (Scripturally defined as a person who has received salvation and the indwelling Holy Spirit by coming to God on HIS terms - NOT the false terms many seem to believe today - and who are actively walking in obedience to God) can be demon possessed.

Here we must make a demarcation: there is a difference between full possession, and "having a demon" because full possession encompasses the whole physical person (hence the demon possessed can walk up walls, break iron fetters bare-handed, etc., via the demon's powers), while a person who only "has a demon" is not fully possessed...they have only gained access to the person in an area of the flesh.

A Christian (defined as above) cannot be demon possessed because the Spirit of God is dwelling in their spirits, and He won't share with demons...but I do believe that a Christian can have a demon in their flesh because they have been doing things - ungodly things - that opens the door to unclean spirits. Here is a Biblical example:

Luke 13:10-16
10 Now he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath.
11 And behold, there was a woman who had had a disabling spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not fully straighten herself.
12 When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said to her, "Woman, you are freed from your disability."
13 And he laid his hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and she glorified God.
14 But the ruler of the synagogue, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, said to the people, "There are six days in which work ought to be done. Come on those days and be healed, and not on the Sabbath day."
15 Then the Lord answered him, "You hypocrites! Does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the manger and lead it away to water it?
16 And ought not this woman, a daughter of Abraham whom Satan bound for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day?"

First, this woman Jesus called "a daughter of Abraham," and while I cannot go into all of the details here, this phrase distinguishes her as a saved person under the OT designation. She did not have the Holy Spirit indwelling her that the text tells us about, but she was walking with God. Second, she was not fully possessed, the demon was only in the flesh and caused her to be hunched over...once the demon was cast out, she was no longer disabled.

Blessings.

..

Just a short reply Sir because I've wiped out my resources for the day....I've already given you one scripture for a Christian having a demon..."Work out your own salvation (deliverance) with fear and trembling.. Second point....Nobody is saying that a Christian can be possessed by demons...THAT is impossible....
The "daughter of Abraham' was an unsaved Jew who believed Gods Word...She was a covenant woman and God honored her faith by honoring covenant....Healing was her covenant right just as it is ours

 

[B-A-C]

11 And behold, there was a woman who had had a disabling spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not fully straighten herself.

Again, this was before people had the Holy Spirit.

John 16:7; "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

The Holy Spirit couldn't come until Jesus ascended back to heaven.

John 7:39; But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

No one (except John the Baptist) was baptized in the Holy Spirit before Acts 2.

 

[Garee]

I can't even comprehend how you came up with this.

nephı̂yl nephil
nef-eel', nef-eel'
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant.
Total KJV occurrences: 3

I wonder why God had all the Nephilim killed?

Why are the women here in Gen 6:2; called "daughter of men". Could they not be daughters of God?

The word renown is used 9 times

Numbers 1:16 These were the renowned of the congregation, princes of the tribes of their fathers, heads of thousands in Israel.

Numbers 16:2 And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:

below comparing the renown of God and those of the world under the influence of the father of lies Their renowned of men will never become the renown of God. (Giants of faith Christ in us. )

Isaiah 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned

Daniel 9:15 And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and hast gotten thee renown, as at this day; we have sinned, we have done wickedly.

Ezekiel 23:23 The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses.

Again a good example is used with David God's renown moved by the power of Christ faith working in him One little GPS stone toppled the giant, a renown of the enemy

The word renown has a meaning .

There were men of renown after the flood who were also unevenly yoked with daughters of men or sons of men . a clear distinction must be made with the progenitor . (1) Of men earthly. (2) of God heavenly

 

[Curtis]

Eph 2:2 You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil—the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God.
Eph 2:3 All of us used to live that way, following the passionate desires and inclinations of our sinful nature. By our very nature we were subject to God’s anger, just like everyone else.
Eph 2:4 But God is so rich in mercy, and he loved us so much,
Eph 2:5 that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead. (It is only by God’s grace that you have been saved!)
Eph 2:6 For he raised us from the dead along with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ Jesus. (NLT)

 

[B-A-C]

The word renown has a meaning

Yes, it does. It simply means well -known. Has nothing to do with godly.

re·nown
/rəˈnoun/

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noun
noun: renown

1. the condition of being known or talked about by many people; fame.
   "authors of great renown"
   
   

Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar, Ahab and Jezebel, Judas were all well-known.