Can and would the Holy spirit leave a Christian?

[FrankDSegura]

Will the Holy spirit leave a believer who is ?
Note as well I know the incident of Acts 5 when the individual who lied about the price of the land fell down and "gave up the ghost".

 

[KingJ]

Deut 31:16 Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you."

The million dollar question though that causes all the questions like yours is, Are we His people?

Humans are humans. We are not by default ''His people''. Jews were a chosen race to be ''His people'' if they obeyed His laws. Christians are ''His people''. He never leaves nor forsakes ''His people''.

 

[FrankDSegura]

Deut 31:16 Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you."

The million dollar question though that causes all the questions like yours is, Are we His people?

Humans are humans. We are not by default ''His people''. Jews were a chosen race to be ''His people'' if they obeyed His laws. Christians are ''His people''. He never leaves nor forsakes ''His people''.

So for instance what laws are we to keep?

 

[A. Christian]

So for instance what laws are we to keep?

The law was only for Israel and it was impossible for them to keep that is why they had sacrifices that pointed to the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus.

 

[KingJ]

So for instance what laws are we to keep?

There are no laws to keep for a Christian. It is a love based relationship. All we can say / All Jesus says is that we are known by our fruits.

If we love God, would we take part in a sin that in the OT upset Him so that He ordained the death penalty for it?

A Christian would consider all the laws and try keep them all. As they should want to please God. Is that not love?

Scripture says ''if you love me you will keep my commandments''. It does not say, ''keep my commandments and you will love me''.

 

[Sue D.]

The New Testament says we are to love the Lord our God with all of our heart, soul and mind and our neighbor as ourselves. THAT replaces the Old Testament laws.

When we love a person, our inner desire Is to please the person. so -- is what we plan to do Pleasing to God.

 

[Sue D.]

And, we are Also told that when the Holy Spirit comes to indwell a person, he won't leave us until we are safely with Jesus Christ.

 

[FrankDSegura]

There are no laws to keep for a Christian. It is a love based relationship. All we can say / All Jesus says is that we are known by our fruits.

If we love God, would we take part in a sin that in the OT upset Him so that He ordained the death penalty for it?

A Christian would consider all the laws and try keep them all. As they should want to please God. Is that not love?

Scripture says ''if you love me you will keep my commandments''. It does not say, ''keep my commandments and you will love me''.

So is it possible that the Jews were under a stricter, or the most strictest laws until the coming of our Lord Jesus the first time.



Its either Im wrong or right and im always willing to accept correction because I like being accurate in the truth for Jesus the only Christ.



The law of Moses given to the children of Israel...



Over the course we find out that none of the children of Israel are able to keep the law.



It says in Psalms 53:2‭-‬3, "God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." - KJV



So Jesus came and fulfilled all righteousness



As a well known Christian once said "Jesus Christ cut to the heart of the law"



(Although I'm not a calvinist or affiliated with the doctrine he teaches I agree with that quote)



So Jesus shows even the person whos keeping the law to the utmost falls short.



Jesus is perfect yesterday, today, and forever. No deceit was found in his mouth.



Jesus showed people that even a lustful thought is equal to adultery,



Or even being mad is equal to killing.



So we are judged by the strictest law to determine if we are sinner.



And we all have sinned.



And we see Jesus Christ overcame temptation by the evil one, and Jesus did not sin not even once.



So is it possible that Jesus knew we couldnt keep it and tells us to keep to commandments in mind heart and soul..



The greatest being, "love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." &
"love thy neighbour as thyself"..



And by doing that we would be living with pretty much the 10 commandments in mind.. And if you have those in your heart you will care from your personal heart about your neighbor, not stealing, coveting, belittling, defrauding.



So what I consider what is a Christian is someone who has accepted Jesus Christ, and seeks Jesus..and finds Jesus.



Someone who believes in their heart, and confesses with their mouth that Jesus died for all sinners and rose from death, and believes in him coming to judge the world. And of course if we love him we will love God, and love their neighbor.?

 

[Sue D.]

Sounds like you have a pretty good understanding.

And, yes, God knew that we'd be unable to keep all those commandments all the time -- their purpose was to show us what Sin Was. IF it was possible To keep all those laws all the time - 100% -- then we'd not need a Savior.

But -- God - in His love and mercy -- Did send His Son, Jesus Christ into this world -- to show us His Father -- His salvation.

 

[FrankDSegura]

Sounds like you have a pretty good understanding.

And, yes, God knew that we'd be unable to keep all those commandments all the time -- their purpose was to show us what Sin Was. IF it was possible To keep all those laws all the time - 100% -- then we'd not need a Savior.

But -- God - in His love and mercy -- Did send His Son, Jesus Christ into this world -- to show us His Father -- His salvation.

Me being born with Autism and other disabilities I know I need a savior no matter what...

 

[Sue D.]

Thank you for sharing that and it's good to for you to realize the with autism and disabilities -- you Can understand God's Word. And you and everyone Can and Should / Need to be growing spiritually.

 

[FrankDSegura]

Thank you for sharing that and it's good to for you to realize the with autism and disabilities -- you Can understand God's Word. And you and everyone Can and Should / Need to be growing spiritually.

What are your thoughts on what the blasphemy of the Holy spirit is?
I feel like ive committed it but idk

 

[Sue D.]

Why do you feel like you've committed that?

 

[FrankDSegura]

Why do you feel like you've committed that?

Because I read about tge unpardonable sin when tge Pharisees accused the Lord of life that he was "casting out d*vils by Bellzabub"
I know thats disgusting but i keep having evil thoughts about it that are obviously wrong and just like passing cars in my head of evil thoughts negative thoughts and i do not like it..

 

[FrankDSegura]

Why do you feel like you've committed that?

&i feel like bad and would never voluntarily say evil thoughts like those out loud..
They make me upset.
Jesus Christ is thee only saviour!
Thee eternal father, and prince of peace and messiah the Lord everlasti.living God.

 

[Sue D.]

Go back to the Philippians 4: 8-9 passage regarding what To be thinking about -- things that are true, noble, just , pure, lovely, of good report.