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Can God do evil?

Can God do something evil?

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KingJ

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I want to make the argument that God cannot do what is evil.

Scriptures like these:
  • Psalm 145:17 — “The Lord is righteous in all His ways.”
  • Psalm 136:1 — “God is good and His mercy endures forever.”
  • 1 John 1:5 — “God is light; in Him is no darkness at all.”
  • Job 34:12 — “Unthinkable that He be unjust, surely God will not do wickedly.”
are didactic texts about God’s character that serve as interpretive controls across all topics. God’s revealed character functions as a limiting factor, not in the sense of an external constraint, but as an expression of metaphysical impossibility: His nature (good, righteous, light) is ontologically fixed. Therefore, any interpretation that portrays Him as morally evil is invalid.
 
You said you're treating God's revealed character as a limiting factor. I want to start right there, because that phrase contains a hidden assumption worth examining.

Does God have limits?

His attributes aren't limits — they're descriptions of His nature. A limit is an external constraint, something that prevents you from doing what you might otherwise do. But God's justice isn't a limit on His mercy. His holiness isn't a limit on His love. They don't trade off against each other the way they do in finite beings. We have to balance strictness and compassion because we're limited creatures navigating competing pressures. God doesn't balance anything. He doesn't negotiate between His own attributes. Every act of God is simultaneously the full expression of His justice, His holiness, His mercy, and His love — all at once, without remainder, because He is One.

This is what theologians call divine simplicity, and it matters here. When you use God's goodness as a "limiting factor" on what He can do in judgment, you've imported a very human framework onto God — the idea that His attributes are in tension with each other and one has to win. But that's not the God of Scripture. That's a finite being with competing internal pressures.

Which brings me to the next problem. Even setting that aside — which parts of God's revealed character are you selecting to do the limiting?

You've chosen goodness, mercy, and light. Real attributes, and I affirm every verse you cited. But you're using those to constrain the torment passages, while refusing to let the torment passages constrain your definition of those attributes. That's not neutral methodology. That's a hierarchy you've imposed on Scripture rather than one Scripture imposes on itself.

Why does mercy override justice in your framework? Why does your intuition about what "good" means sit above the plain text of Revelation 14:10-11, where the same God your verses describe says the torment of the unrepentant rises forever and they have no rest day or night? That text is also God's revealed character. It's also didactic. Why isn't it doing any limiting?

Isaiah 6 is worth sitting with. The only attribute in all of Scripture given triple emphasis isn't love or mercy — it's holiness. If any attribute has the strongest textual claim to define God's character, holiness does. And holiness, fully expressed, doesn't flinch at eternal consequence.

So here's the direct question: you said you're using God's revealed character as a limiting factor. But God has no limits — He has a nature. And His nature, fully and simultaneously expressed in everything He does, includes eternal judgment. The Lamb and the Lion are the same Person. The Jesus who wept over Jerusalem is the same Jesus whose eyes are a flame of fire in Revelation 19.

If your theology requires God's attributes to constrain each other, you're not describing the God of Scripture. You're describing a finite being with internal conflicts. And that god — the one whose mercy has to win the argument against his own justice — isn't in the Bible.

You’re right that God has no external constraints and that His attributes are not competing parts. I agree with divine simplicity. God does not “balance” mercy against justice as if they were percentages inside Him. But that does not negate what I mean by “limiting factor.”

I am not saying one attribute suppresses another. I am saying God cannot act contrary to His own nature.

God cannot lie. God cannot deny Himself. God cannot be tempted by evil. These are ontological impossibilities grounded in who He is.

You asked which attributes I am “selecting.” I am not selecting. I am appealing to categorical ontological declarations:

Psalm 145:17 — righteous in all His ways.
1 John 1:5 — no darkness at all.
Job 34:12 — unthinkable that He do wickedly.

Those are not situational descriptions. They are absolute claims about God’s being.

The real question is not whether God’s attributes compete (they do not). The question is whether a particular interpretation of 'eternal torment' coheres with “no darkness at all.”

The burden remains on you to show how eternal torment, is a full expression of goodness rather than a contradiction of it.
 
The problem, isnt that anyone thinks God doesnt do evil.

The problem is that we think God has to follow "our definition" of what evil is.
Some "Christians", believe God is OK, with homosexuality, adultery, fornication, etc....

.. and if He isn't Ok with all that, then He is a bad/evil/wicked God.

They are wrong of course.

Other Christians say God causes predestination, no free-will, and He causes people to sin.
If He doesn't then He is not sovereign and in control.

They are also wrong of course.

What determines what makes God good or evil isn't up to us. We have no say over it. (If we do, then we are God over Him).
The bottom line is.. does the Bible says God will do it? If it does, and we are against it.. then our definition of what is
good and righteous is wrong.

It really is that simple.
 
but the letting Adam & Eve sin, and Cain slay Abel, and everything one knows of that God also let happen... I can imagine being one to not fathom God's mercy in the evil that people do.

or being able to forgive those who murder their souls

I imagine I know the feeling. But those sinners have each of their lifetimes to ask God for forgiveness and go and sin no more as anyone.
 
Many can God do..I say what can God Not do? He is all powerful Almighty He is Also a Righteous God to take away the Rightouesness from God you are no Longer following the Living God of Abraham Issac And Jacob..

Has anyone else noticed how some try to the core of their soul to take away Righteousness from Abba..

Idk

Hope all's well
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What man may consider evil Abba may consider Rightoues..

It's written My ways are not like your ways n lean not on your own thinkin..gotta allow the Lord to reveal.



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King J would you consider killing a baby evil??
on no : unamused: it's the infamous "Tenth Plague of Egypt, plus King Herod's Paranoia, plus AntiChrist today, multiplied by 2Cor 5:21 out of context" question. All the woes!

Lucifer and the other idiots got kicked out of Heaven fair and square. Hell has a pretty face, but it was not meant for humans.

Everyone please cancel your subscription to the Biblically God-conDemned synagogue of Satan before it is too late to pull a Thief-on-the-Cross. I post from experience. ️
 
King J would you consider killing a baby evil??
Would you if ya the Lord told ya to??.did the Lord not test Abraham.. then there is Samuel
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass...

What would you do? Personally I know what I would do no questions in my mind frfr..

So to ask a question like that can one really give a honest answer well unless they know the Lord gonna tell them to do it or not 100 percent n I don't think anyone can know anywho..

I been pondering a lot lol..Hope all's well
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Oh boy oh boy we got tornado weather it's actually beautiful right before like cloudy but perfect to sit outside n the birds chirp n chirp n things go silently slowly like slow motion in bout an hr or so I'll see people leaving their homes to seek shelter..hubby and I we just sit it out of one hits our home we all going to OZ together lol smh.. but naw for one we can't bring our beloved Judah inside a shelter n two I know Abba got us..no matter what we will stay faithful unto Him..ya hopefully I will get to see that golden sky this year again..

Hope all's well!!

Whoop whoop
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as Ray said is not our right to judge God, we have to be humble enough to know GOd knows best we do not!! and we need not understand all things !
 
King J would you consider killing a baby evil??
The way I see this, God is creator, what is evil for me is not evil for God. For example

God can do no evil, this is written

The creator has rights that his creation does not have. What if I work on building a house for myself, and I decide to burn it down I have that right. But what if a stranger comes and burns my house down he does not have that right.

We do know According to 2 Samuel 12 in the Bible, 'God caused the death of the infant son born to King David and Bathsheba as a direct consequence of David’s adultery and murder of Uriah'.

God has that right, that baby is far better off in heaven then on earth !! Gods creation,,, man does not have that right to take life as God does !!

Praise my king Jesus perfect Holy righteous, we have to trust in him fully as children who trust there fathers. The problem is, we just like teenagers get to thinking we know to much, and things have to be the way we think, which is contrary to the bible.

This is why I believe Jesus said
Matthew 18-3 Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

God does not think like man---
Isaiah 55:8-9 (NIV): "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts".


KJ I cringe when I read lots of your post, thinking you can judge God is just about the worst thing a human can do, and will surely blind one self.
 

Can God Do Evil?

Why the Question Itself May Be Flawed


The question "Can God do evil?" is one that sounds provocative and even edgy — but it contains a hidden assumption that deserves careful examination before we attempt to answer it. The assumption is this: that we have a reliable, independent standard of "good" and "evil" by which God's actions can be measured.

My position is not that God is evil, nor that the difficult passages in Scripture are easy to explain. My position is simpler and more foundational: our definition of "good" is too small, too corrupted, and too human to serve as a measuring stick for the character and actions of God.

1. The Source Problem: Who Defines Good?

Before we can ask whether God does good or evil, we have to ask: where does the definition of "good" come from in the first place?

The Psalmist gives us the answer directly: "You are good and do good" (Psalm 119:68). Notice the structure — God's goodness is not derived from an external standard. It is circular to His own nature. He is good, therefore what He does is good. This is not a logical fallacy; it is a theological statement about the source of morality itself.

James reinforces this when he writes that every good and perfect gift comes down from above, from the Father of lights (James 1:17). God is not a recipient of goodness — He is its origin. To judge God by a standard of "good" is to place that standard above God, which is precisely the error.

2. The Corruption Problem: Our Moral Reasoning is Broken

Even if we could agree on an external standard of good, we would be the last ones qualified to apply it. Isaiah 64:6 tells us that all our righteousness — not just our sins, but our best moral efforts — are as filthy rags. This is not a peripheral comment; it strikes at the root of human moral evaluation.

Paul goes further in Romans 3:10-12, citing the Psalms: "There is none righteous, no not one... there is none that understandeth." The word "understandeth" here is critical. It is not merely that we are morally imperfect — it is that we do not correctly understand good to begin with. Our moral compass is not just slightly off; it is fundamentally compromised.

If our understanding of good is broken at the source, then when we look at the flood, or the death of the firstborn in Egypt, or the commands to destroy Canaan, and say "that doesn't seem good to me" — we are using a broken instrument to measure an infinite standard.

3. The Vantage Point Problem: We Cannot See What God Sees

The book of Job is perhaps the most direct biblical engagement with this exact question. Job is a righteous man. His suffering is real. His questions are legitimate. And yet when God finally responds in chapters 38-41, He does not answer Job's "why" — not even once.

Instead, God asks a series of questions: "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?" (Job 38:4). "Have you entered into the springs of the sea?" (Job 38:16). The point is not to humiliate Job — it is to establish that the vantage point required to evaluate God's decisions is one that no human being has ever occupied.

God's response is essentially this: you are asking whether my actions are good, but you lack the standing to evaluate the answer. Not because the answer does not exist, but because the evaluator is not equipped to receive it. Job's response — "I abhor myself and repent in dust and ashes" (Job 40:4, 42:6) — is not the response of a man who received a satisfying explanation. It is the response of a man who encountered a perspective so vast that the question itself collapsed.

4. The Framework Problem: Good Requires a Reference Frame

Isaiah 55:8-9 is perhaps the most explicit statement of this principle in all of Scripture: "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

This is not a vague statement about mystery. It is a categorical claim about the difference in kind — not just degree — between God's moral framework and ours. His "ways" are not just better versions of our ways. They operate at a level we cannot access from our current position.

Isaiah 45:9 anticipates the potter/clay argument Paul would later develop in Romans 9: "Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker!" The clay does not evaluate the wisdom of the potter's decisions — not because the potter is above accountability, but because the clay fundamentally lacks the perspective to render that judgment.

5. The Wisdom Problem: You Must Fear God Before You Can Understand Good

Proverbs 9:10 tells us that "the fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom." This is not simply a pious sentiment. It is an epistemological claim: correct moral understanding does not precede reverence for God — it follows from it.

In other words, the very capacity to correctly evaluate what is good or evil is granted through relationship with and submission to God. The person who approaches the question "Can God do evil?" from a position outside of that reverence is not a neutral evaluator. They are operating without the prerequisite for the very wisdom they are trying to exercise.

Conclusion: The Question Assumes What It Needs to Prove

The question "Can God do evil?" carries a hidden premise: that there is a standard of good and evil that sits above God, by which His actions can be evaluated and found wanting. But Scripture consistently and deliberately dismantles that premise.

God is the source of good, not its subject (Psalm 119:68, James 1:17). Our moral understanding is not just imperfect but fundamentally broken (Isaiah 64:6, Romans 3:10-12). We lack the vantage point to evaluate His decisions (Job 38-41). His ways are categorically above ours (Isaiah 55:8-9, Isaiah 45:9). And correct moral understanding begins with Him, not with us (Proverbs 9:10).

I do not claim that the difficult passages in Scripture are without tension. I claim that the tension exists not because God's actions are evil, but because our definition of "good" is too small, too corrupted, and too earthbound to contain what He is and what He does.

The honest response to that is not to lower God to our standard. It is to raise our understanding — beginning with the fear of the Lord.


Key Scripture References

Psalm 119:68 | James 1:17 | Isaiah 64:6 | Romans 3:10-12

Job 38-41 | Isaiah 55:8-9 | Isaiah 45:9 | Romans 9:20-22 | Proverbs 9:10
 
Do we look at these passages, and judge them by human standards?

Old Testament


The Flood

  • Genesis 6–8 — nearly all humanity destroyed, including women, children, animals

Sodom & Gomorrah

  • Genesis 19 — entire cities destroyed by fire

The 10 Plagues (especially the firstborn)

  • Exodus 7–12 — Egyptian firstborn killed, including children and livestock

Commanded genocide of Canaanites

  • Deuteronomy 7:1-2, 20:16-17 — total annihilation commanded

Uzzah struck dead for touching the Ark

  • 2 Samuel 6:6-7 — killed for what appears to be an instinctive act

Bears mauling children

  • 2 Kings 2:23-24 — children mocked Elisha; two bears killed 42 of them

David's census punishment

  • 2 Samuel 24:15 — 70,000 Israelites die for David's sin

Jephthah's daughter

  • Judges 11:30-40 — vow resulting in his daughter's death (debated but troubling)

Job's suffering

  • Job 1–2 — God permits Satan to destroy a righteous man's family and health


New Testament


Ananias & Sapphira

  • Acts 5:1-11 — struck dead for lying about money

Hell / Eternal torment

  • Matthew 25:46, Revelation 20:10-15, Luke 16:19-31

God hardens Pharaoh's heart — then punishes him for it

  • Romans 9:17-18, Exodus 9:12

Predestination / vessels of wrath

  • Romans 9:21-22

The Great Tribulation

  • Revelation 6–19 — massive death, suffering, judgments on earth
 

The Lawgiver Is Not Under the Law​

Why God's Rules for Us Are Not Constraints on Him

In my previous post I argued that our definition of "good" is too small, too corrupted, and too human to serve as a measuring stick for God. Here I want to press that argument further with two specific examples that reveal the same underlying error from a different angle.

The error is this: we take laws and principles God gave to us and apply them back to God as though they constrain Him the same way they constrain us. We build a box from His own words and then try to fit Him inside it. Scripture tells a very different story.

1. Lord of the Sabbath — Not Subject to It​


The Sabbath was one of the original Ten Commandments — not a minor ceremonial rule but a foundational law given directly by God. And yet Jesus, on multiple recorded occasions, acted in ways that by the Pharisees' standard constituted a violation of it.


The incidents:

- Matthew 12:1-8 — His disciples pick grain on the Sabbath.

- Matthew 12:9-14 — He heals the man with the withered hand, deliberately, in the synagogue.

- Luke 13:10-17 — He heals the woman bent for eighteen years.

- John 5:1-18 — He heals the man at Bethesda and tells him to carry his mat. This was not impulsive. He sought the man out and gave a deliberate instruction He knew would be seen.


Jesus did not offer an exception clause or argue these were special circumstances. He made a categorical claim about His own identity:


"For the Son of Man is Lord even of the sabbath day." — Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5


Lord of the Sabbath. Not subject to it — Owner of it. The law was given to us. He gave it. Those are not the same relationship.


2. John 5:17-18 — The Explicit Theological Statement​


After the Bethesda healing the Jews confronted Jesus directly. His response is one of the most theologically loaded statements in the Gospels:


"My Father worketh hitherto, and I work." — John 5:17


He did not say the Sabbath allows for healing, or that mercy is an exception to the rule. He appealed directly to the Father's continuous activity and claimed the same for Himself. John 5:18 tells us the Jews understood exactly what He meant — they sought to kill Him because He was making Himself equal with God.


They were not confused. They were furious. The claim was clear: the One who established the Sabbath operates outside it, just as a lawmaker operates outside the laws he makes for his citizens.


3. Hosea 6:6 — A Word to Us, Not a Leash on God​


Hosea 6:6: "For I desired mercy and not sacrifice, and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings."


Many read this as God declaring Himself bound by mercy — as though He cannot act in judgment without violating His own nature. There is even a popular song built on this idea. But look at how Jesus actually uses the verse. He quotes Hosea 6:6 twice, and both times He directs it as a correction aimed at the Pharisees, not as a description of His own constraints.


- Matthew 9:13 — Defending His practice of eating with sinners. He tells the Pharisees to "go and learn what that meaneth." The verse is pointed at their attitude toward people.

- Matthew 12:7 — Immediately before the grain-picking incident. Again directed at the Pharisees for condemning the innocent.


Hosea 6:6 is God telling His people what He values from them. It is prescriptive for our behavior, not a description of God being constrained by mercy.


Two verses worth noting for anyone who pushes back on this:

- Micah 6:8 — "He hath showed thee, O man, what is good..." Directed explicitly at man.

- James 2:13 — "Mercy triumphs over judgment." Written to believers about how they themselves will be judged — about us, not a constraint on God.


Conclusion​


In the previous post the argument was that our definition of good is too small to judge God by. Here the argument is the same error from another angle: we keep taking verses written to us and about us, and applying them as limitations on God.


The Sabbath was given to man. Jesus said so plainly in Mark 2:27. He also said He is its Lord. The principle God expressed in Hosea 6:6 describes what He desires from us, not a chain on Himself.


The Lawgiver is not under the law the way the recipient is. That is not a loophole — it is the nature of the relationship between Creator and creation.


Key References: Matthew 12:1-14 | Mark 2:27-28 | Luke 6:5 | Luke 13:10-17 | John 5:1-18 | Hosea 6:6 | Matthew 9:13 | Matthew 12:7 | Micah 6:8 | James 2:13
 
King J would you consider killing a baby evil??

Yes of course. But as with all sin, every instance of it needs to be properly judged. Judging sin is something Christians are very good at. As Paul confirms to us in 1 Cor 6:1-9.

As @Twistie and @Gothedral picked up, you are setting up for a counter on the tenth plague and Abraham's test. Well we need to properly evaluate the A-Z of each matter. When we do we find that nobody would judge God as evil for them.

Tenth plague, the babies suffered a quick death and were taken to heaven. No evil. Plagues are always an appearance of evil. When I am on atheist sites they always quote plagues to show that God is evil and twisted. But every plague is an attempt by God to crack 'hard nuts'. Many will only deal with their sin when they see God is harassing them with frogs or taking their firstborn. Now if God boiled the babies in hot water for an hour before He killed them, yes that would be evil of Him.

When we kill we disrupt God's plan for the baby and thereby upset God at a very high level. All abortion after fertilization is evil. If God kills it is His plan for the baby and He will ensure a 'death' is 'done properly', IE no torturous.

As for Abraham, man that is a long explanation. Really long. Most make casual statements about it. Suggesting 'blind trust', faith in the unseen = righteous. Obedience to God, no matter the instruction = righteous. This is all absolute nonsense. Abraham had so much faith and trust in God. Abraham approved of what is good at a very high level. When he was convinced that God was good. That God was righteous. He knew that this extremely good God had a really good reason for asking something that appeared so extremely evil of him. He trusted the goodness of God right up to the point of being willing to kill his son. We must note that God stopped him. We must also note that Abraham would interrogate God. We see this in Gen 18 when he discussed the destruction of Sodom with God. Wanting to understand God's thinking. We must note that he approved of what God was doing. He accepted God's explanation as just and righteous.
 
The way I see this, God is creator, what is evil for me is not evil for God.

This is only true in certain instances not all.

KJ I cringe when I read lots of your post, thinking you can judge God is just about the worst thing a human can do, and will surely blind one self.

Imagine thinking you cannot judge God when He gave you a brain that can judge and know good and evil. I cringe at the thought that some people are Christians because it is the right religion.

What if the devil was God? Pure evil. Would you serve him? Yes or No answer please.
 
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