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Chastening

Chad

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Chastening, God's style

Does God chasten His children? Perhaps the best teaching on this can be found in Hebrews 12.
Hebrews 12:5-13
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
We can learn many wonderful truths from this passage.
• As mentioned, if you look up the Greek word for "chastening", it literally means "child-training". Now, ask yourself if you would child-train your little ones with sicknesses, accidents and deaths. Would you burn your son's fingers to teach him not to play with matches? Would you put cancer on his tongue to teach him not to use foul language? Would you break his legs to teach him not to play on the roads? So, how dare we think otherwise of our heavenly Father! Earthly fathers, evil as they are, know how to give good things to their children, how much more our Daddy God (Matthew 7:11, Luke 11:13).

• We are not to despise chastening from our Father, for we can only benefit from it (Job 5:17, Psalms 94:12 and Revelation 3:19). Also, the fact that God chastens us is His proof to us that He loves us. It is His assurance to us that we are His legitimate sons, not bastards. It is His assurance to us that He is our Abba Father.

• Our earthly fathers chasten us for their own pleasure and for a while, but God does it faithfully and for our profit. In other words, our heavenly Father, being God, does a much better job than our earthly fathers.

• Our earthly fathers correct our "flesh", but our heavenly Father corrects our "spirit".

• Chastening is obviously not a joyous thing, but the results are good -- peace, health, holiness and spiritual maturity. You don't lose a leg, end up bedridden or die from God's chastening, as some have taught! How can a dead person learn anything, or apply and teach others what he has learned?
He does not 'spare the rod'
Hebrews 12:6
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Paul is quoting from Proverbs 3:12:
Proverbs 3:12
12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
Notice that the last phrase is markedly different from what Paul had written. It says "even as a father the son in whom he delighteth" and not "and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth".

The Septuagint (Greek version of the Old Testament) records it as the former while the Masoretic Text (Hebrew version of the Old Testament) records it as the latter. Why the difference, I do not know.

The problem is that many Christians would take Hebrews 12:6 -- "and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth" -- as proof that God does punish His children with physical pain, such as accidents and diseases.

But the word "scourgeth" means to "flog". I believe that if left in the passage's context of child-training, it just means that God does not spare the rod on his children. Does the Bible support fathers caning their children as part of child-training? Yes, very much so.
Proverbs 13:24
24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Proverbs 19:18
18 Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying.

Proverbs 22:15
15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Proverbs 23:13
13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

Proverbs 29:15
15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
With his Word, to our spirits

But how does God "cane" or chasten His children? What is His "rod" of correction? If He does not use pain, sicknesses, accidents or deaths to child-train us, how does He do it?

He does it with His Word and to our spirits!
Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?.
The verse above says that our earthly fathers are fathers of our flesh, while our heavenly Father is the Father of our spirits. In other words, our natural fathers correct our soul (mind, will, emotions) and body, whereas God corrects our spirit. And He uses his Word to do it.
Hebrews 12:5
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

Psalm 94:12
12 Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;

Proverbs 6:23
23 For these commands are a lamp, this teaching is a light, and the corrections of discipline are the way to life,

2 Timothy 3:16,17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
The rebuke of our Lord may come via a preacher’s sermon, reading of the Bible, our spouse, a friend or directly from the Lord. At that time, we may not like what we are hearing — perhaps it requires us to apologise to someone we dislike, or to change certain habits or attitudes. But if we yield and obey, we will profit from God’s chastening.
Hebrews 12:11
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Still not convinced?

Christians who still insist that God chastens with sicknesses and deaths to teach us important lessons such as faith, faithfulness, long-suffering, patience and self-control should consider carefully these points:
• Faith is a grace gift from God (Ephesians 2:8). We can't "earn" it by going through sicknesses and sufferings. Faith comes by hearing repeatedly the words of Christ (Romans 10:17), not by being more and more sick.

• Faithfulness, long-suffering and patience are fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22), not fruit of our sufferings and illnesses. The more we walk in the Spirit and in the revelation of God's Word -- not in sickness -- the more fruit we bear.

• If sickness is a lesson from God, then the Christian who has been sick for many years is obviously a slow learner. And instead of praying for his healing, we should be telling him: "Better buck-up bro, or you're not gonna make it!"

• And if the sick Christian dies eventually, it would mean that he failed to learn God's lesson. And what lesson was so important that it cost him his health, his savings, his marriage and, eventually, his life? What lesson was so important that it made a child fatherless or a wife without a husband? What lesson was so important that it brought chaos, worry, fear, sorrow and mourning to his loved ones? Does God need to resort to all that?

• Many Christians who argue that it is God's will for them to be sick still see the doctor, rest and take medication, contradicting God's "will" for them. This is because in their heart, they actually long to be healthy. Their spirit is actually crying out for healing, because that is God's truth and will for them.

• Why pray for the sick (Matthew 10:8, Mark 16:18, James 5:14-16)? How do we know we are not contradicting God's will in each case?

• If the temple of God under the Old Covenant was not decrepit, why should His New Covenant temple, which is our bodies (1 Corinthians 3:16,17, 1 Corinthians 6:19, 2 Corinthians 6:16), be weak and sickly?

• 1 Corinthians 3:17 says that "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are". Now, would God contradict himself by putting leprosy on you? Or a cancer that eats away your internal organs?

• If Christ is the head of the body of the church, which is us (Ephesians 1:22, Ephesians 5:23, Colossians 1:18), why would He want His "arms" and "legs" or us to be diseased and ineffective?

• Jesus said that "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:9-11). If we want to know what God is like, we look at Jesus, who is the "express image" of God (Hebrews 1:3). Jesus never gave sickness or death to anyone. Of the 35 miracles He performed, 23 (or two-thirds) were healings and three, raising the dead. So, if God chastens with sicknesses and deaths, why is this facet of God not reflected in Jesus' earthly ministry? Did Jesus miss out something?

• Christians are always talking about "following" Jesus or being like Him. Well, Jesus went about healing the sick (Matthew 4:23, Matthew 9:35, Acts 10:38). So, Christians ought to be out there healing the sick. But how can they have the faith to do that if they also believe that God authors sickness? There will be confusion.

• 1 John 4:17 says that "as he is [now], so are we in this world [this life]". Today, our glorified Lord is sitting at the right hand of the Father -- without sickness. So, why would God contradict His own Word by making many of us sick? How can "so are we" be true if God wants many of us sick?

• If sickness is sometimes God's will, then when we pray "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" (Luke 11:2), we are actually saying that there is a lot of sickness in heaven.

• How can one of the names of God be Jehovah Rapha -- "I am the LORD that healeth thee" (Exodus 15:26) -- if He is also "the Lord who makes you sick"?

• Why would God say in Proverbs 4:22 that His words are "life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh" if He wanted many of us to be sick? If this were true, then Christians who believe that God is making them sick should not read the Bible.

• How can the Psalmist say that our Lord "healeth all thy diseases" (Psalm 103:3) if God does not want to heal some of our sicknesses?
Article from: Salt & Light
 
ya know this is a great topic. since i probably need more chastening than anyone else let me be the first to tell you yes the lord chastens his children. there are many scriptures throughout the word of god that tells us that he chastens us because he loves us. he teaches us in his ways. believe me on this. i have tried to be stubborn and think that the lords chastening runs out. well it dont. lol

yes the lord loves us enough to discipline us. but i have to tell you all something the lord is very patient with us even while he is chastening us. trust me on this one aswell. yes the lord has had to be very patient with me. i have tried to check that one out aswell. he never runs out of patience or mercy which is all a part of chastening.

there is a song that states your judgements are true yet your mercies are new. this is very true. we serve an awesome god.
 
Amen, our Father does chasten us! and HalleluYah for that because we all know if we are honest that sometimes we need it just our children do! Chastening has taught me some wonderful things.

David- i do not think anyone was saying that your disability is for sure any chastening or because of direct sin.- However i would like to add that it is true that God heals all of our diseases and we were healed by the stripes of Jesus and all of our curse, and pain and bondages were put on Him and He bore them for us. These promises are for us and this work was already done all we need now is to believe it! and if we feel we do not have the faith to believe it we need seek God for that faith because He promises all things that pertain to life and godliness.

When we are faced with disabilities or sickness or diseases, we have a choice to either stay in them and accept them as reality or as Gods will. But God never in His word made His people, desired for His people to remain under any curse or illness of any kind. Jesus healed every single person who ever came to Him, He never turned any away and said " no it is Gods will for you to be lame". The word says that the only time that Jesus could not do many miracles was because of peoples lack of faith. and many times when people did come for healing or deliverance Jesus remarked on their great faith and said things such as be it done according to your faith.

Even in the OT God made it clear that He is to be our healer, that He heals our diseases, that He is in charge of what curses we are under and to seek Him to be saved from them..

God also said in the NT that ALL of His promises are YES and AMEN- they are not yes and no, or maybe, they are YES and AMEN. That is what a promise is! God does not tell us no to what He has already promised He has done for us, He just wants us to believe Him. One of those many promises was that we were healed by Jesus stripes. It is taught these days that it only means spiritual healing and not physical however Jesus uses the same scripture found in isaiah 53 to show it is about physical healing in matt 7.

To even suggest these days that someones problem is because of a lack of faith is something that people find terriblly offensive many times. As if we think ourselves sooooo faithful that how dare anyone suggest our faith fails in any way, so instead they like to blame God and say a number of things to put it on Him, in ignorance of His word. Really it should not offend anyone because we know that we are not yet manifestly perfect. Truth is, most do not have the faith to be healed these days because they have been taught and told over and over that God doesnt heal anymore, that we have to accept the curses on us, that God wants us to be sick etc.... If most believers were taught the truth of the word of God according to faith, then their faith would be there to be healed but instead their faith has been demonished and laid ruin by false doctorines of false shepards who arent willing themselves to walk by faith.

Others say, well medicine is how God uses to heal us today. This is one of the biggest lies, God never says any such thing in His word, He never suggests there is a time period when this will be true, He never ever has used methods of man, leading men to men instead of himself. AND Gods grace and gifts are FREE. medicine and doctors and operations are all anything but free and every method of man that exists comes with a penalty, a side effect, a reaction. This all proves that these methods are still under the curse themselves and they are not Gods ways for His children.

Be encouraged- some peoples illness was because of sin, true but some peoples was so that when they believed God to be healed God would be glorified!
 
Amen, our Father does chasten us! and HalleluYah for that because we all know if we are honest that sometimes we need it just our children do! Chastening has taught me some wonderful things.

David- i do not think anyone was saying that your disability is for sure any chastening or because of direct sin.- However i would like to add that it is true that God heals all of our diseases and we were healed by the stripes of Jesus and all of our curse, and pain and bondages were put on Him and He bore them for us. These promises are for us and this work was already done all we need now is to believe it! and if we feel we do not have the faith to believe it we need seek God for that faith because He promises all things that pertain to life and godliness.

When we are faced with disabilities or sickness or diseases, we have a choice to either stay in them and accept them as reality or as Gods will. But God never in His word made His people, desired for His people to remain under any curse or illness of any kind. Jesus healed every single person who ever came to Him, He never turned any away and said " no it is Gods will for you to be lame". The word says that the only time that Jesus could not do many miracles was because of peoples lack of faith. and many times when people did come for healing or deliverance Jesus remarked on their great faith and said things such as be it done according to your faith.

Even in the OT God made it clear that He is to be our healer, that He heals our diseases, that He is in charge of what curses we are under and to seek Him to be saved from them..

God also said in the NT that ALL of His promises are YES and AMEN- they are not yes and no, or maybe, they are YES and AMEN. That is what a promise is! God does not tell us no to what He has already promised He has done for us, He just wants us to believe Him. One of those many promises was that we were healed by Jesus stripes. It is taught these days that it only means spiritual healing and not physical however Jesus uses the same scripture found in isaiah 53 to show it is about physical healing in matt 7.

To even suggest these days that someones problem is because of a lack of faith is something that people find terriblly offensive many times. As if we think ourselves sooooo faithful that how dare anyone suggest our faith fails in any way, so instead they like to blame God and say a number of things to put it on Him, in ignorance of His word. Really it should not offend anyone because we know that we are not yet manifestly perfect. Truth is, most do not have the faith to be healed these days because they have been taught and told over and over that God doesnt heal anymore, that we have to accept the curses on us, that God wants us to be sick etc.... If most believers were taught the truth of the word of God according to faith, then their faith would be there to be healed but instead their faith has been demonished and laid ruin by false doctorines of false shepards who arent willing themselves to walk by faith.

Others say, well medicine is how God uses to heal us today. This is one of the biggest lies, God never says any such thing in His word, He never suggests there is a time period when this will be true, He never ever has used methods of man, leading men to men instead of himself. AND Gods grace and gifts are FREE. medicine and doctors and operations are all anything but free and every method of man that exists comes with a penalty, a side effect, a reaction. This all proves that these methods are still under the curse themselves and they are not Gods ways for His children.

Be encouraged- some peoples illness was because of sin, true but some peoples was so that when they believed God to be healed God would be glorified!

So true. Amen in His precious name.
 
In our attempt to serve Him, let us first consider the perfect grace of God, which suffices our perpetual infirmity before Him. Let us not compete with the sacrifice of Christ, given already on our behalf; for none is more righteous than God, to offer a greater sacrifice of more delight toward God the Father than that of His gift toward us, Jesus Christ. Therefore there is nothing more that can be done in tribute to God but to follow after His example of love and grace in obedience to His Word, which is perfect and true; otherwise we accuse God of being vindictive or deceitful in hiding from us the knowledge and ability to serve Him to fullest of our capability through Christ (which is what Satan accuses God of by saying, "For God does know..." rather than "thus says the LORD..."). And why is it so easy for us to jump to the conclusion that God has done something amiss and deceitful? Because that is what we would do if we were in His place, with His power and authority, because of the nature of our flesh.

"Wherefore does a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?" We whine and complain about the frustrations and stresses of life, and accuse God of failure on His part. But as I have said before, we accuse God of our own sin; and by accusing Righteousness Himself we prove ourselves corrupt. God is eternal, and views His objectives eternally; He is longsuffering toward us to present the example that any duration or magnitude of sufferings is worth the consolation of eternal comfort in fellowship with us. Anything God does to save our immortal life is a good and profitable thing, no matter how painful, inconvenient, or frustrating. We complain in the midst of God's salvation like a man complaining of scraping his knee to the man who dragged him from a burning building. Because we refuse true and sincere repentance in our witness to the injustice of the world, we foolishly look to God to bear the fault of our own iniquities which have caused these sufferings upon us and throughout the world. Our condemnation is that the grace of God is sufficient to bear our faults, but only through our repentance, for He has suffered these things in innocence, being without sin (whereas we, who are guilty and truly unjust, whine and force the burden of bearing the judgment upon another). I ask you, who is the sinner, and who is righteous? Judge between yourselves and God sincerely!

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mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> Chance and coincidence are naught. Fate and destiny are but pagan terms for the will of God. It is no surprise that the secular world which believes not in God, questions also the existence of truth, right, good and love. God's word is truth; apart from this is the mere opinion of man, whom by his judgment can create nothing, and but destroys himself. Righteousness has no definition but what God has taught in Word and example. "There is none good but God," and "God is love." Those who are taught by the world, "measuring themselves by themselves," "accusing or else excusing one another," "boasting of things without measure," live as though bringing false accusation against the Word of God. Thinking to reprove God for the speck in His eye, with no regard to the beam in their own: wherein the imperfection they think to see in God, is the imperfection of their own judgments and sins which has obstructed their vision of Him: thinking to have found fault in the perfection of God and the doctrine of His Word through the faulty judgment of sin, with which they attempt to justify themselves and condemn God.

"Yet says the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal? Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, says the Lord God. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin. Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby you have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will you die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dies, says the Lord God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live you." Wherefore "let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged."

As the LORD surrenders Himself unto the judgment of men for our glory, so too, we are to surrender into the hands of God and bear His judgment, that the old man might cease, and the new man be fully revealed to the glory of God. If this victory is accomplished within our very hearts, what then can the world do to deter us from walking the steps of what the LORD has already accomplished in us. Therefore we receive that the judgments and chastening of God are also the workings of our salvation, and the instruction and edification from our Rabbi to honor the LORD with all that is in us, even according to His Word. As the LORD has given all that He has, counting you as the pearl of great price, so the precedent is set for His children to so honor God, and His disciples to so serve the body of Christ saying, "that which I have, I give unto you!"
 
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I can recall being chasten here not too long ago.

I had made a comment on another forum wherein I made a comment regarding the Mormons must really have "faith" regarding Joseph Smith and the seers stones story.

Ohhh, I was praying later and the LORD didn't have to say a thing, I knew He was upset, like in dissappointed. Mad is one thing, dissappointed confused me at first cause I didn't realize why.

What is the one thing that pleases GOD? Faith. Oh, I apologized and apologized to my dear sweet JESUS for my error, and I went back a posted an apology. Later that night I was clicking threw the channels and as you know how the Spirit can work, I cross an animated show and the first thing I hear is something about Joseph Smith, so I listened as this one mormon kid is telling the other kids at the bus stop that they could hate him if they wanted cause they didn't believe, but he explained how his family's faith was in God and well they were happy, a little lengthy to go throught, but it was very poignant.

But anyway, the discussion we had after about the two tablets, and while the 10 numbers were written by the finger of God, what was written on the backside of the two stones having the commandments.?

 
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