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OP (Original Post/Question) How often do you consider culture when you share the gospel?

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When some hear the word culture they think about moral relativism in an extreme form or epistemological relativism.
The former (MR) relates to seeing right and wrong as things which change based on the people group and
the latter relates to defining truth as being relative ("your truth" , "my truth").

This is not what I'm asking or what I'm promoting.
Culture for this content can be defined as the values, norms, traditions, and other ways of life shared by a group of people which impact
how they perceive and experience the world.

Often times we forget that the Gospel is always presented in a cultural context.
When God came in the flesh, God came into a culture.
Jesus was a man. Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was a son to Mary and Joseph.
As a Jewish boy Jesus has cultural expectations and traditions that he lived out.
In communicating to gospel, as an adult Jesus used many parables that connected
to the culture of agriculture, religion, and society, to community spiritual truths.
The apostles for example Paul and Peter, in their writings communicated
to the people within the culture they lived and used language and were aware of the
cultural norms of the people. They didn't necessarily have to adopt all the norms
just a meal habits with not eating certain foods, or hand washing, but their awareness
of these aspects of culture allowed them to better communicate the gospel.

So back to the OP, how often do you consider culture when you are communicating the gospel.
For example, I'm the Youth Director at my church and I'm trying to be mindful of the youth
culture, as children are growing up in a social media, facebook, social influencers, tiktok, generation.
I'm not necessarily promoting the idolatry of the culture whereby they follow these people
online who are not Christian, nor am I promoting having youth glued to their phones for hours
as a time. Yet, I'm trying to learn this culture, to better connect with them.

Some other cultural groups include:
Military culture
Homeless culture
Urban cultural
Southern Culture
Social Justice Culture
Political Culture (Democrats, Republicans, etc)
Climate Change Culture
Ethnic Cultural groups ( African American, Latino/Hispanic, Caucasian, Asian, Muslim, African non American born, etc)
Sexual Culture ( LGBTQ, Pronoun changing culture, Gender confusion culture, etc).
 
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OP (Original Post/Question) How often do you consider culture when you share the gospel?


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When some hear the word culture they think about moral relativism in an extreme form or epistemological relativism.
The former (MR) relates to seeing right and wrong as things which change based on the people group and
the latter relates to defining truth as being relative ("your truth" , "my truth").

This is not what I'm asking or what I'm promoting.
Culture for this content can be defined as the values, norms, traditions, and other ways of life shared by a group of people which impact
how they perceive and experience the world.

Often times we forget that the Gospel is always presented in a cultural context.
When God came in the flesh, God came into a culture.
Jesus was a man. Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was a son to Mary and Joseph.
As a Jewish boy Jesus has cultural expectations and traditions that he lived out.
In communicating to gospel, as an adult Jesus used many parables that connected
to the culture of agriculture, religion, and society, to community spiritual truths.
The apostles for example Paul and Peter, in their writings communicated
to the people within the culture they lived and used language and were aware of the
cultural norms of the people. They didn't necessarily have to adopt all the norms
just a meal habits with not eating certain foods, or hand washing, but their awareness
of these aspects of culture allowed them to better communicate the gospel.

So back to the OP, how often do you consider culture when you are communicating the gospel.
For example, I'm the Youth Director at my church and I'm trying to be mindful of the youth
culture, as children are growing up in a social media, facebook, social influencer, tiktok, generation.
I'm not necessarily promoting the idolatry of the culture whereby they follow these people
online who are not Christian, nor am I promoting having youth glued to their phones for hours
as a time. Yet, I'm trying to learn this culture, to better connect with them.

Some other cultural groups include:
Military culture
Homeless culture
Urban cultural
Southern Culture
Social Justice Culture
Political Culture (Democrats, Republicans, etc)
Climate Change Culture
Ethnic Cultural groups ( African American, Latino/Hispanic, Caucasian, Asian, Muslim, African non American born, etc)
Sexual Culture ( LGBTQ, Pronoun changing culture, Gender confusion culture, etc).
Once again please don't read anything here that you might view as a sin or against Christian values
and believe that I am promoting it. I am not.

I'm simply asking you, how well you understand the various groups of people that we are trying
to reach in this world. And I'm asking if you see the value in better understanding their culture,
in order to reach them.

However in doing so we should be aware of ethnocentrism, --ethnos(ethnicity), centric( center) or the danger
of seeing every thing through our own cultural lens as the epi-center.

As well as the dangers of tacit ethnocentrism, which is seeing our culture as normal and just the right thing,
and being blind to the fact that everyone(most people) has(have) a culture that they live in to some degree.
This means that one doesn't see that the way the act is shaped by a cultural lens that they have, and they assume
that they are just doing what is normal. However if such a person was in a different environment what they would
see as "normal" would change.

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Once again, I'm not talking about moral relativism in an extreme form or epistemological relativism.
I'm not talking about right and wrong changing based on culture and I'm not talking about truth changing
based on culture. I'm just talking about the value of understanding the culture of others in other to better
communicate the gospel and recognizing that each person is doing so from their own culture background,
whether they are aware of it or not.
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I can tell you that generally and in many instances on a higher level:
Blacks really hate Asians. REALLY hate. I think the degenerate part of the former really hates them almost as much as they hate us awesome White people. I can't recall the last time a Black person was in a church (my last one) or a Bible study. I'm at a loss here b/c interaction has stopped and not for lack of trying.
Indians? Hard pass. I talked at length with a Christian in India and he attested they REALLY hate Christians especially those in India. IDK what happened b/c I can't get a hold of him. Given they are the majority over there may they "got their way". Here, they keep to themselves. Every one of them speaks English like they talk Indian or whatever their language is and are also impatient. None are open to religious discussion.
Muslims? Don't get me going. Truth is one deployment was all it took to learn more than most. Lying (Deceit) is a CORE belief in Islam and commanded by their "god" and all that is a whole other discussion.
My time and energy is best spent on people in America which are largely White. 9/10 when you meet a Mexican person they are Catholic and that too is another discussion.
I've so many reasons why I'm not that or any other but that's going off topic. People tend to get mad when you prove something wrong about their part in the Christian group.
"Show me where God sends babies to Hell and the mentally deficient." They can't.
 
OP (Original Post/Question) How often do you consider culture when you share the gospel?

@MedicBravo , @PloughBoy , @B-A-C , @Andyindauk , @Brightfame52 , @Fragrant Grace @Sue D. @complete @Dave M @Mayflower @Waggles
@Christ4Ever @Alive4Jesus @Bob Carabbio @Chad

Details:
When some hear the word culture they think about moral relativism in an extreme form or epistemological relativism.
The former (MR) relates to seeing right and wrong as things which change based on the people group and
the latter relates to defining truth as being relative ("your truth" , "my truth").

This is not what I'm asking or what I'm promoting.
Culture for this content can be defined as the values, norms, traditions, and other ways of life shared by a group of people which impact
how they perceive and experience the world.

Often times we forget that the Gospel is always presented in a cultural context.
When God came in the flesh, God came into a culture.
Jesus was a man. Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was a son to Mary and Joseph.
As a Jewish boy Jesus has cultural expectations and traditions that he lived out.
In communicating to gospel, as an adult Jesus used many parables that connected
to the culture of agriculture, religion, and society, to community spiritual truths.
The apostles for example Paul and Peter, in their writings communicated
to the people within the culture they lived and used language and were aware of the
cultural norms of the people. They didn't necessarily have to adopt all the norms
just a meal habits with not eating certain foods, or hand washing, but their awareness
of these aspects of culture allowed them to better communicate the gospel.

So back to the OP, how often do you consider culture when you are communicating the gospel.
For example, I'm the Youth Director at my church and I'm trying to be mindful of the youth
culture, as children are growing up in a social media, facebook, social influencers, tiktok, generation.
I'm not necessarily promoting the idolatry of the culture whereby they follow these people
online who are not Christian, nor am I promoting having youth glued to their phones for hours
as a time. Yet, I'm trying to learn this culture, to better connect with them.

Some other cultural groups include:
Military culture
Homeless culture
Urban cultural
Southern Culture
Social Justice Culture
Political Culture (Democrats, Republicans, etc)
Climate Change Culture
Ethnic Cultural groups ( African American, Latino/Hispanic, Caucasian, Asian, Muslim, African non American born, etc)
Sexual Culture ( LGBTQ, Pronoun changing culture, Gender confusion culture, etc).
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I can tell you that generally and in many instances on a higher level:
Blacks really hate Asians. REALLY hate. I think the degenerate part of the former really hates them almost as much as they hate us awesome White people. I can't recall the last time a Black person was in a church (my last one) or a Bible study. I'm at a loss here b/c interaction has stopped and not for lack of trying.
Indians? Hard pass. I talked at length with a Christian in India and he attested they REALLY hate Christians especially those in India. IDK what happened b/c I can't get a hold of him. Given they are the majority over there may they "got their way". Here, they keep to themselves. Every one of them speaks English like they talk Indian or whatever their language is and are also impatient. None are open to religious discussion.
Muslims? Don't get me going. Truth is one deployment was all it took to learn more than most. Lying (Deceit) is a CORE belief in Islam and commanded by their "god" and all that is a whole other discussion.
My time and energy is best spent on people in America which are largely White. 9/10 when you meet a Mexican person they are Catholic and that too is another discussion.
I've so many reasons why I'm not that or any other but that's going off topic. People tend to get mad when you prove something wrong about their part in the Christian group.
"Show me where God sends babies to Hell and the mentally deficient." They can't.

Lots of stereo-types in that post.
I'm not sure where you got the Blacks hate Asians part from, I don't believe
that is part of Black African or Black American culture.

But I heard you say that you want to spend your time on largely the White in America.
I thought according to the census the demographics are changing and it is less
and less White?
Especially with the growing Hispanic population.

Take a look at the data below.

 
I can tell you that generally and in many instances on a higher level:
Blacks really hate Asians. REALLY hate. I think the degenerate part of the former really hates them almost as much as they hate us awesome White people. I can't recall the last time a Black person was in a church (my last one) or a Bible study. I'm at a loss here b/c interaction has stopped and not for lack of trying.
Indians? Hard pass. I talked at length with a Christian in India and he attested they REALLY hate Christians especially those in India. IDK what happened b/c I can't get a hold of him. Given they are the majority over there may they "got their way". Here, they keep to themselves. Every one of them speaks English like they talk Indian or whatever their language is and are also impatient. None are open to religious discussion.
Muslims? Don't get me going. Truth is one deployment was all it took to learn more than most. Lying (Deceit) is a CORE belief in Islam and commanded by their "god" and all that is a whole other discussion.
My time and energy is best spent on people in America which are largely White. 9/10 when you meet a Mexican person they are Catholic and that too is another discussion.
I've so many reasons why I'm not that or any other but that's going off topic. People tend to get mad when you prove something wrong about their part in the Christian group.
"Show me where God sends babies to Hell and the mentally deficient." They can't.
Hello @MedicBravo

I'm not sure why you felt the need to list all your racist prejudices in the above post. Perhaps you have your own good reasons.

You've repeated the lie that deception is core Muslim belief. I have challenged you on this at length before and you gave no satisfactory answer. Please stop spreading lies. It does noone any good.
 
I'm just talking about the value of understanding the culture of others in other to better
communicate the gospel and recognizing that each person is doing so from their own culture background,
whether they are aware of it or not.
Of course we should take cultural background into consideration, the Lord himself spoke in parables all the time, even in the book of John he made lots of analogies. The gospel message is always the same, our job though is to translate this message from the original middle east cultural background to our own cultural background, slip the gospel into our own stories which our audience are definitely very familiar with. In fact, this might shock you, but the bible didn't fall from the sky, lots of concepts in the OT actually had their origin in the ancient Sumerian culture. OT authors picked up these references, then made polemic arguments against them. The definition of polemic argument is: "the use by biblical writers of the thought forms and stories that were common in ancient Near Eastern culture, while filling them with radical new meanings," and what that means is, defeating the middle eastern pagan idolatrous culture in their own game, channeling the praises and worship reserved for those pagan deities to YHWH, the creator of all.
 
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Polemic is also very common in NT, especially the four gospel books. One prominent example is the parable of the wicked vinedressers. Yeshua didn't make it up, that was a retelling of Isaiah 5:1-7:

Now let me sing to my Well-beloved
A song of my Beloved regarding His vineyard:
My Well-beloved has a vineyard
On a very fruitful hill.
He dug it up and cleared out its stones,
And planted it with the choicest vine.
He built a tower in its midst,
And also made a winepress in it;
So He expected it to bring forth good grapes,
But it brought forth wild grapes.
“And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem and men of Judah,
Judge, please, between Me and My vineyard.
What more could have been done to My vineyard
That I have not done in it?
Why then, when I expected it to bring forth good grapes,
Did it bring forth wild grapes?
And now, please let Me tell you what I will do to My vineyard:
I will take away its hedge, and it shall be burned;
And break down its wall, and it shall be trampled down.
I will lay it waste;
It shall not be pruned or [c]dug,
But there shall come up briers and thorns.
I will also command the clouds
That they rain no rain on it.”
For the vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the house of Israel,
And the men of Judah are His pleasant plant.
He looked for justice, but behold, oppression;
For righteousness, but behold, [d]a cry for help.


Yeshua put that in a new contemporary context, he used this piece of the Scripture to condemn the pharisees, which seriously pissed them off, as they knew this very well, and they realized that Yeshua was talking about them.
 
Polemic is also very common in NT, especially the four gospel books. One prominent example is the parable of the wicked vinedressers. Yeshua didn't make it up, that was a retelling of Isaiah 5:1-7:

Now let me sing to my Well-beloved
A song of my Beloved regarding His vineyard:
My Well-beloved has a vineyard
On a very fruitful hill.
He dug it up and cleared out its stones,
And planted it with the choicest vine.
He built a tower in its midst,
And also made a winepress in it;
So He expected it to bring forth good grapes,
But it brought forth wild grapes.
“And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem and men of Judah,
Judge, please, between Me and My vineyard.
What more could have been done to My vineyard
That I have not done in it?
Why then, when I expected it to bring forth good grapes,
Did it bring forth wild grapes?
And now, please let Me tell you what I will do to My vineyard:
I will take away its hedge, and it shall be burned;
And break down its wall, and it shall be trampled down.
I will lay it waste;
It shall not be pruned or [c]dug,
But there shall come up briers and thorns.
I will also command the clouds
That they rain no rain on it.”
For the vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the house of Israel,
And the men of Judah are His pleasant plant.
He looked for justice, but behold, oppression;
For righteousness, but behold, [d]a cry for help.


Yeshua put that in a new contemporary context, he used this piece of the Scripture to condemn the pharisees, which seriously pissed them off, as they knew this very well, and they realized that Yeshua was talking about them.
Parables are for UnBelievers to be tricked and not For The True Child of GOD those who are "Born of GOD'And "The PARAKLETOS" The person Who Lives right besides them and Always will Be forever and ever and He will never Leave them.

And you think a Parable can be explain, I do believe you have been tricked. as The Parable has said; Now Look into The mirror and what reflection do you see.

The Purpose of Jesus' Parables
…11He replied, “The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you, But To Those On The Outside Everything Is Expressed In Parables, 12So that, They May Be Ever Seeing But Never perceiving, And Ever Hearing But Never understanding; :eyes:otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.’”

So, do you see and do you hear?
 
Parables are for UnBelievers to be tricked and not For The True Child of GOD those who are "Born of GOD'And "The PARAKLETOS" The person Who Lives right besides them and Always will Be forever and ever and He will never Leave them.

And you think a Parable can be explain, I do believe you have been tricked. as The Parable has said; Now Look into The mirror and what reflection do you see.

The Purpose of Jesus' Parables
…11He replied, “The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you, But To Those On The Outside Everything Is Expressed In Parables, 12So that, They May Be Ever Seeing But Never perceiving, And Ever Hearing But Never understanding; :eyes:otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.’”

So, do you see and do you hear?
Every believer started off as an unbeliever, God has NO GRANDCHILDREN. Parables are the first step on the narrow path of righteousness. You don't like the parables, just skip ahead. If you can't understand earthly things, how can you understand heavenly things?
 
Hello @MedicBravo

I'm not sure why you felt the need to list all your racist prejudices in the above post. Perhaps you have your own good reasons.

You've repeated the lie that deception is core Muslim belief. I have challenged you on this at length before and you gave no satisfactory answer. Please stop spreading lies. It does noone any good.
It's not racist to point out facts.
Islam IS based on deceit among other things. I have given answers countless times and from their book. Your refusal to accept the truth about that evil cult is your problem.

Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
Muslim men have sexual rights to any woman/girl not wearing the Hijab
A man can beat his wife for insubordination (see Quran 4:34)
Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
I could go on but there are far better things to do than give any more time to them or their supporters.
All you have is what some of them "told you".
DoJ facts are superior to your opinions.
 
Lots of stereo-types in that post.
I'm not sure where you got the Blacks hate Asians part from, I don't believe
that is part of Black African or Black American culture.

But I heard you say that you want to spend your time on largely the White in America.
I thought according to the census the demographics are changing and it is less
and less White?
Especially with the growing Hispanic population.

Take a look at the data below.

NPR?
There's no way accurate demographic statistics can be done with at least 330 million people. Media lies and NPR isn't special nor are first page search results.
Most of humanity are mixed mutt breeds anyway so few are purebloods.
 
I think I get what OP is getting at here. I don't think he's trying to make any inference the the Gospel is centred around any demographic as suggested in #4 but @Medic Bravo may have a point that churches do tend to draw from racial demographics, he goes to a church that's exclusively white.

I visited a church in Manchester UK and its congregation was almost exclusively black, and oh what a breath of fresh ait that service was. The praise and passion was on a different level, I loved it.

I think that trying to appeal to a certain class, race, generation or other segment of society has its dangers. The whole church can become introspective, exclusive and set in their ways and stale as Laodiceans.

In the UK there are too many churches run by WASPS (white Anglo Saxon protestants) in essence, by old people, for old people and unsurprisingly there's a dwindling congregation hovering in the low double figures. I've also visited churches that fit that description to. Two and a half hours into the service I look at my watch and it's only 11:00 o'clock!!

No the church has to be dynamic and appealing to all sections, races, class and generations. That's the message of Paul Galatians 3:28. To be exclusive by definition makes others feel like outsiders. We have to be inclusive and reach out to everyone.

That's not to say there can't be subgroups within a church, for example I go to the men's breakfast at our church.

On an individual level, I'd advise against trying too hard to feign an association based upon your stereotypical pigeon holing of the person you're talking to. For example, if I we're to address a black Afro-American., 'Hey dude, how'd it goin' mon?' or to speak in a camp accent to a gay man, they're going to look at me like I've dropped in from another planet.
 
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No, be contented in yourself, you are what God is working in you, don't try to be someone or something else.

That said, we do need to understand and relate to certain issues specific to certain sections. The young have to contend with social media, the Internet, drugs and sexualisation that I never faced. Ethnics and gays face prejudice on a daily basis.

The Gospel is life changing and so relevant to everyone but how do you get that message across?
 
I think I get what OP is getting at here. I don't think he's trying to make any inference the the Gospel is centred around any demographic as suggested in #4 but @Medic Bravo may have a point that churches do tend to draw from racial demographics, he goes to a church that's exclusively white.

I visited a church in Manchester UK and its congregation was almost exclusively black, and oh what a breath of fresh ait that service was. The praise and passion was on a different level, I loved it.

I think that trying to appeal to a certain class, race, generation or other segment of society has its dangers. The whole church can become introspective, exclusive and set in their ways and stale as Laodiceans.

In the UK there are too many churches run by WASPS (white Anglo Saxon protestants) in essence, by old people, for old people and unsurprisingly there's a dwindling congregation hovering in the low double figures. I've also visited churches that fit that description to. Two and a half hours into the service I look at my watch and it's only 11:00 o'clock!!

No the church has to be dynamic and appealing to all sections, races, class and generations. That's the message of Paul Galatians 3:28. To be exclusive by definition makes others feel like outsiders. We have to be inclusive and reach out to everyone.

That's not to say there can't be subgroups within a church, for example I go to the men's breakfast at our church.

On an individual level, I'd advise against trying too hard to feign an association based upon your stereotypical pigeon holing of the person you're talking to. For example, if I we're to address a black Afro-American., 'Hey dude, how'd it goin' mon?' or to speak in a camp accent to a gay man, they're going to look at me like I've dropped in from another planet.
It is so disappointing that you guys are brainwashed with race and creed as much as the clueless NPCs. Where's your spiritual insight? Don't you see that all these identity politics is a convoluted distraction to turn you from the real issues? The Holy Spirit is the spirit of truth, judgement and righteousness, and believe it or not, lots of people from ALL classes, races and generations are seeking truth, judgement and righteousness. What draws them to Christ is not strategic pandering, but the eternal truth and wisdom from the almighty creator.

Lately I listened to a Mother's Day special sermon about the real gender roles in God's design, biblical femininity, the magnificent influence from mother, exposure of Satan's massive attack on womanhood, the misconception of Eve's role as help being inferior, etc. Not your typical gospel preaching, isn't it, and yet for the first time in a very long time that brought me to tears, even though you probably think that this is only for middle-aged white suburb ladies. A message like that is the voice of the Holy Spirit that transcends cultural barriers, and that is much needed amid the satanic narrative of gender confusion these days.
 
It's not racist to point out facts.
Islam IS based on deceit among other things. I have given answers countless times and from their book. Your refusal to accept the truth about that evil cult is your problem.

Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
Muslim men have sexual rights to any woman/girl not wearing the Hijab
A man can beat his wife for insubordination (see Quran 4:34)
Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
I could go on but there are far better things to do than give any more time to them or their supporters.
All you have is what some of them "told you".
DoJ facts are superior to your opinions.
You deliberately lied by saying "Lying (Deceit) is a CORE belief in Islam and commanded by their "god"." It's not true, and we have been over this ground before. There's no good can come of giving false testimony about others.
 
I think that trying to appeal to a certain class, race, generation or other segment of society has its dangers. The whole church can become introspective, exclusive and set in their ways and stale as Laodiceans.

I like your overall post. To comment on this great point that you bring up I would say that my thoughts in the OP is not about trying to appeal
to a particular class, race or generation even though that does indeed end up being a manifestation of what I"m saying.

I would say think more about motives, purpose, and intent.

I would rephrase your statement above to trying to understand, not necessarily appeal. Put it this way,
let us look at language for example. Different groups have different difference in language.

If you know that one group says "Hey Yall" to greet and another group says "What's up" to greet.
I think understanding these culture differences because you love the people and want to know them,
will allow you to greet one person by saying "What's up" so that you are better communicating your message
and the other person by saying "Hey Y'all" so that they better understand you.

Yes one can say you are appealing to them, because one greeting is more appealing than the other to the person,
but the motive and intention is not simply about appealing but understanding and connecting on their level.
Not changing the Gospel message but changing your medium of communication.

Another good example which hopefully ALL Christians will understand is how we have different translations of the Bible.
Some swear by KJV(King James Version, with "thou" and "thy" and "doth" etc). Whereas because of culture the NIV presented
a different version that others who are not as familiar with the language culture of King James can better understand the Gospel.
While there are some issues with the NIV, but the concept if done properly is not to change the Gospel but the medium, because
the Gospel didn't come in the KJV in the first place it was in Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, etc. And Hebrew, etc, etc, has its culture
associations.

So the idea that the gospel is always presented in a cultural framework, and as responsible Christians I believe we should
understand that good evangelism has to do with continuing that work of culture to culture translation, not to appeal
or make it "seeker friendly" but to help them to better understand.
 
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