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Paul said that the last enemy to be destroyed is death. Death will be destroyed and has no ultimate grip over me. But it is still a present reality and a formidable enemy.
I love being alive. Death would mean separation (at least temporarily) from people I love, things I would like to do. I'm not ready for it yet. So, while I don't live in fear of death, I'm certiainly not complacent about it.
I love being alive. Death would mean separation (at least temporarily) from people I love, things I would like to do. I'm not ready for it yet. So, while I don't live in fear of death, I'm certiainly not complacent about it.
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I was inducted into Catholicism as an infant, and in time attended enough
catechism to complete First Holy Communion and Confirmation.
There are no guarantees in that belief system. In point of fact, Council of Trent
Session 6, Chapter 16, Canon 16; slams Catholics with a curse for presumption,
to wit:
"If anyone says that he will for certain, with an absolute and infallible certainty,
have that great gift of perseverance even to the end, unless he shall have learned
this by a special revelation, let him be anathema."
On top of that; CCC 1035 says, in so many words: Catholics are just inches from
the worst, because if it should happen that they leave this life with just one mortal
sin on the books not yet absolved-- just one --they go directly to Hell and eternal
suffering; no stop-over in a purgatory, i.e. their trip is a direct flight. Even if they've
been a faithful Catholic for 49 years, they will miss the boat just as if they had been
a Hindu, or a Muslim, or an atheist. All their years as a faithful Catholic will be
stricken from the record and count for naught.
As a result I was continually afraid of God; and continually feared death because
of the very real possibly of ending up on the wrong side of things in the afterlife.
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I was inducted into Catholicism as an infant, and in time attended enough
catechism to complete First Holy Communion and Confirmation.
There are no guarantees in that belief system. In point of fact, Council of Trent
Session 6, Chapter 16, Canon 16; slams Catholics with a curse for presumption,
to wit:
"If anyone says that he will for certain, with an absolute and infallible certainty,
have that great gift of perseverance even to the end, unless he shall have learned
this by a special revelation, let him be anathema."
On top of that; CCC 1035 says, in so many words: Catholics are just inches from
the worst, because if it should happen that they leave this life with just one mortal
sin on the books not yet absolved-- just one --they go directly to Hell and eternal
suffering; no stop-over in a purgatory, i.e. their trip is a direct flight. Even if they've
been a faithful Catholic for 49 years, they will miss the boat just as if they had been
a Hindu, or a Muslim, or an atheist. All their years as a faithful Catholic will be
stricken from the record and count for naught.
As a result I was continually afraid of God; and continually feared death because
of the very real possibly of ending up on the wrong side of things in the afterlife.
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This and many other things is how the Catholic religion maintained control over the masses in the DARK AGES. FEAR
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Gotta wonder how they continue that even today when everybody has their own Bible.
Death being the last enemy to be put under our Lords feet, questions are How and when? For the individual that is part of the elect group it happens when they die
for at resurrection they can die no more. But what about everybody else?
Death being the last enemy to be put under our Lords feet, questions are How and when? For the individual that is part of the elect group it happens when they die
for at resurrection they can die no more. But what about everybody else?
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Lentz, I think because death leads to the unknown. One's belief is what one chooses to believe but can any be sure?? NO!! Not until ones goes there. Example- You wish to buy a new house; do you not check out the house before you buy it?? WHY??
Because you wish to make sure your new dwelling place fits what you want. Same here, I think. Personally, I lost my fear of death in the Vietnam War, and I was not saved at the time either! I learned two things from that War death and fear both have a face! I have seen both in my 70 years.
Now being a believer in our Jesus I have seen another face!!! HOPE!!! Hope through our Jesus! Just my thoughts on this subject.
Because you wish to make sure your new dwelling place fits what you want. Same here, I think. Personally, I lost my fear of death in the Vietnam War, and I was not saved at the time either! I learned two things from that War death and fear both have a face! I have seen both in my 70 years.
Now being a believer in our Jesus I have seen another face!!! HOPE!!! Hope through our Jesus! Just my thoughts on this subject.
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It wasn't my intention to roast the Roman church in post No.3. I only meant to
answer the question posed in the OP, to wit:
"Why is it that some, or greatest percentage of people who identify as believers,
are afraid to die?"
NOTE: Sometimes when people are very sick-- e.g. with a serious case of cancer
and undergoing radiation + chemo --well meaning do-gooders will say: At least
you're alive. Consider the alternative.
Well; for folks on the road to safety with Christ, the alternative is not all that bad,
but when folks haven't a clue as to their afterlife destination; I'd have to say their
current situation, no matter how inconvenient, is better as I'd imagine souls
confined in a fiery netherworld would gladly trade places.
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It wasn't my intention to roast the Roman church in post No.3. I only meant to
answer the question posed in the OP, to wit:
"Why is it that some, or greatest percentage of people who identify as believers,
are afraid to die?"
NOTE: Sometimes when people are very sick-- e.g. with a serious case of cancer
and undergoing radiation + chemo --well meaning do-gooders will say: At least
you're alive. Consider the alternative.
Well; for folks on the road to safety with Christ, the alternative is not all that bad,
but when folks haven't a clue as to their afterlife destination; I'd have to say their
current situation, no matter how inconvenient, is better as I'd imagine souls
confined in a fiery netherworld would gladly trade places.
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Amen
Or when a lost person dies from an illness or injury,”Well he’s in a better place,” or “He’s not suffering anymore “.
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I completed the eighth decade of my life this month. It was on my bucket list; so
every additional year from here on in will be sort of like a bumper crop.
I no longer fear death like I once did in my youth, but I still experience a bit of
anxiety about it; which is to be expected seeing as how most of us have no
experience at all with that particular journey.
For many of us working stiffs, the first day on a new job is stressful and quite an
adjustment. The night before that first day can cause enough anxiety to keep us
awake fretting about what we might expect. We're not afraid of work, but we're
walking into a strange all-new situation, populated with strange all-new people, and
strange all-new surroundings, that will take some getting to get used to.
The next life is an alien world with which I am totally unfamiliar; and when I leave
here, I will be leaving behind everything near, dear, and familiar, e.g. photos,
mementos, souvenirs, collections, sights and sounds and smells, mountains,
creeks, rivers and forests, clothing, tools, landmarks, entertainment, hobbies, my
son and his sons, my wife of 43+ years, BFF, my aging Ford Ranger pick-up truck,
etc, etc.
The culture shock tsunami of leaving all that I know & love and going to a foreign
land where I know & love nothing at all, is not my idea of a good time. Personally; I
dread the thought of having to start all over again from scratch.
Paul the apostle looked forward to leaving this world and being with Christ. Well; I for
one do not share his enthusiasm as other than excellent health, I have yet to think of
anything in particular about Heaven worth getting excited about except maybe its library.
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I completed the eighth decade of my life this month. It was on my bucket list; so
every additional year from here on in will be sort of like a bumper crop.
I no longer fear death like I once did in my youth, but I still experience a bit of
anxiety about it; which is to be expected seeing as how most of us have no
experience at all with that particular journey.
For many of us working stiffs, the first day on a new job is stressful and quite an
adjustment. The night before that first day can cause enough anxiety to keep us
awake fretting about what we might expect. We're not afraid of work, but we're
walking into a strange all-new situation, populated with strange all-new people, and
strange all-new surroundings, that will take some getting to get used to.
The next life is an alien world with which I am totally unfamiliar; and when I leave
here, I will be leaving behind everything near, dear, and familiar, e.g. photos,
mementos, souvenirs, collections, sights and sounds and smells, mountains,
creeks, rivers and forests, clothing, tools, landmarks, entertainment, hobbies, my
son and his sons, my wife of 43+ years, BFF, my aging Ford Ranger pick-up truck,
etc, etc.
The culture shock tsunami of leaving all that I know & love and going to a foreign
land where I know & love nothing at all, is not my idea of a good time. Personally; I
dread the thought of having to start all over again from scratch.
Paul the apostle looked forward to leaving this world and being with Christ. Well; I for
one do not share his enthusiasm as other than excellent health, I have yet to think of
anything in particular about Heaven worth getting excited about except maybe its library.
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One thing I am learning is a Catholic must believe the lie (you shall surely not die Lok at my beauty and live forever . Making limbo an purgatory thier stronghold .
Peter still coming out from teaching of a law of fathers oral traditions of dying mankind (Pharisees with Sadducees) Men who made Jesus the Son of man into a circus seal . . .work a miracle, do some magic, then when we see with our own eyes then we will believe ,not one second before they would believe . . .exercise faith They were "faithless no faith as it is writen .
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Reter right after being forgiven of his denial of Christ Peter blashmed of the Son of man jesus. in his jealousy of John .he went to town and started another oral traditons of the father saying John would not die as did satan in Genesis. Jesu did not say that Peter again should of minded his own business getting his eye off of jesus and puting jealous eye on John jesu said if every time he would correct the lying sign to wonder oral traditions of dying mankinf and he would write them down we would need a bigger world to contain the volumes on volumes .
John21:23-25 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Sufferings mankind will surely die no limbo or purgatory
Peter still coming out from teaching of a law of fathers oral traditions of dying mankind (Pharisees with Sadducees) Men who made Jesus the Son of man into a circus seal . . .work a miracle, do some magic, then when we see with our own eyes then we will believe ,not one second before they would believe . . .exercise faith They were "faithless no faith as it is writen .
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Reter right after being forgiven of his denial of Christ Peter blashmed of the Son of man jesus. in his jealousy of John .he went to town and started another oral traditons of the father saying John would not die as did satan in Genesis. Jesu did not say that Peter again should of minded his own business getting his eye off of jesus and puting jealous eye on John jesu said if every time he would correct the lying sign to wonder oral traditions of dying mankinf and he would write them down we would need a bigger world to contain the volumes on volumes .
John21:23-25 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Sufferings mankind will surely die no limbo or purgatory
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"Identify as" or ARE "believers"????
I'm 81, in lousy health, and in pain. If I don't wake up tomorrow morning, that'd be fine. But there's ALWAYS a certain uneasyness about the unknown. Jesus said that it'd be GOOD. that's enough for me.
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This very issue plagues the living snot out of me. I am not suicidal but I look forward to the transition into eternal life in Heaven.
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I've heard tell of folks thoroughly unable to form attachments to anything, to
anybody, and to any place. When they leave this life, they will leave nothing behind
of sentimental value; nothing in the least, nothing at all. It's like they lived their
entire lives as turnips and carrots instead of sentient beings.
I'd imagine that when folks like that undergo the birth about which Jesus spoke at
John 3:3-8, and its effects begin to take hold, they feel very different, i.e. normal,
like real people. That must be quite an adjustment.
● Rom 8:11 . . If the spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you,
the He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies
through His spirit, who lives in you.
● 2Cor 4:16 . .Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being
renewed day by day.
For example: I came to faith in Christ at the age of 24. At that time I was the
poster child of misogyny. My hatred for women was so strong and so bitter that I
had difficulty even speaking to them in a civil manner let alone dating one. Well; in
time that went away and I was able to get married and have a family of my own.
I suppose a psychologist would posit that I outgrew my hatred for women, but what
do they really know about mental health that Christ doesn't know?
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I've heard tell of folks thoroughly unable to form attachments to anything, to
anybody, and to any place. When they leave this life, they will leave nothing behind
of sentimental value; nothing in the least, nothing at all. It's like they lived their
entire lives as turnips and carrots instead of sentient beings.
I'd imagine that when folks like that undergo the birth about which Jesus spoke at
John 3:3-8, and its effects begin to take hold, they feel very different, i.e. normal,
like real people. That must be quite an adjustment.
● Rom 8:11 . . If the spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you,
the He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies
through His spirit, who lives in you.
● 2Cor 4:16 . .Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being
renewed day by day.
For example: I came to faith in Christ at the age of 24. At that time I was the
poster child of misogyny. My hatred for women was so strong and so bitter that I
had difficulty even speaking to them in a civil manner let alone dating one. Well; in
time that went away and I was able to get married and have a family of my own.
I suppose a psychologist would posit that I outgrew my hatred for women, but what
do they really know about mental health that Christ doesn't know?
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Hi thanks for that I would offer coming from what some call normal "natural converted mankind as those who look to the temporal things seen no eternal vision of faith as it is writen .
Like Nicodemus in John 3 One who did at one time treat Jesus as a circus seal. . Do some magic create a miracle then when we see it with our own eyes (no believe in a invisible God as, it the power of His faith as it written ) . . .Then we will not believe a millisecond sooner. Scripture I believe calls that kind faith, human faith "no faith" not litle none that cold please our living God ..
He calls us little faith.He is the storeroom of the understanding that could please Him.
Faith as a labor of his love our new born again gift.
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
I think it helps to understand why in respect to the greatest possible miracle Born again with a new spirit that could never die. . .marvels not? He lovingly commanded nicodemus a sign and wonder seeker to marvel not .Marveling like wondering is not believing a eternal God not seen .
In that way we should be careful how we hear the understating (faith) of our Holy Father ?
Satan is still the king of lying signs and wonders (his only voice) as the god of this world His false power it can blind the minds of those who have no faith. Christians I think walk or understanding by the unseen spiritual not seen . . not after the temporal dying things seen.
I think it is why he has given us what I call the interpreting prescription (20/20).the temporal(20) mixed with the eternal (20)
2 Corinthians 4:18 King James Version1 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
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Jesus came to deliver those from the fear of death which keeps a person in bondage.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
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I believe the fear of death is because they are not sure of their salvation.
That’s why many cling to the hope of miracles.
I feel it is more imperative to have faith in the resurrection and the work he has already done.
Whether there are miraculous healing’s today or not,you need that peace that you belong to him.
Miracles or no,you’re going to die one day. It’s time we increase our faith,not hope for another miracle. Christ died for you,that’s miracle enough for me.
That’s why many cling to the hope of miracles.
I feel it is more imperative to have faith in the resurrection and the work he has already done.
Whether there are miraculous healing’s today or not,you need that peace that you belong to him.
Miracles or no,you’re going to die one day. It’s time we increase our faith,not hope for another miracle. Christ died for you,that’s miracle enough for me.
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The only thing about death that makes me afraid is the level of suffering I will endure.
I pray that I and all of us have a quick death. Imagine dying in a brazen bull. On a pike. After weeks of torture.
I have told God that I am not a servant that can endure torture. I am happy to die for Him as a martyr. But torture, I can't do. I don't care if I 'just' make it into heaven as a result.
