Did Paul Used A Bad Word?

[GodB4Us]

Did Paul used a bad word in verse 8 below?

Philippians 3:1Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

I do wonder if society is making too much of a big deal about the word that is used today in synonymous with Paul's use of the word "dung" in his days because Paul did say this.

Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Kind of makes me think dung is not really a bad word and neither is the word that we used today for dung, but apparently and somehow, it is.

Am I missing something here? Or are we to adhere to society's standard of a potty mouth, we should use dung instead? People used the word crap as if a better choice than that other word that we all frown upon, but then again, it does make me wonder why that other word is such a bad word when it means the same thing?

 

[B-A-C]

dung simply means manure. What's wrong with that? Paul isn't using it in a slang/curse context.

Philippians 3:8
(AMPC) Yes, furthermore, I count everything as loss compared to the possession of the priceless privilege (the overwhelming preciousness, the surpassing worth, and supreme advantage) of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord and of progressively becoming more deeply and intimately acquainted with Him [of perceiving and recognizing and understanding Him more fully and clearly]. For His sake I have lost everything and consider it all to be mere rubbish (refuse, dregs), in order that I may win (gain) Christ (the Anointed One),
(ASV) Yea verily, and I count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but refuse, that I may gain Christ,
(BBE) Yes truly, and I am ready to give up all things for the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, which is more than all: for whom I have undergone the loss of all things, and to me they are less than nothing, so that I may have Christ as my reward,
(CSB) More than that, I also consider everything to be a loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. Because of him I have suffered the loss of all things and consider them as dung, so that I may gain Christ
(ESV) Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ
(GNB) Not only those things; I reckon everything as complete loss for the sake of what is so much more valuable, the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have thrown everything away; I consider it all as mere garbage, so that I may gain Christ
(Greek NT TR+) αλλαG235 CONJ μενουνγεG3304 PRT καιG2532 CONJ ηγουμαιG2233 V-PNI-1S πανταG3956 A-APN ζημιανG2209 N-ASF ειναιG1510 V-PAN διαG1223 PREP τοG3588 T-ASN υπερεχονG5242 V-PAP-ASN τηςG3588 T-GSF γνωσεωςG1108 N-GSF χριστουG5547 N-GSM ιησουG2424 N-GSM τουG3588 T-GSM κυριουG2962 N-GSM μουG1473 P-1GS διG1223 PREP ονG3739 R-ASM ταG3588 T-APN πανταG3956 A-APN εζημιωθηνG2210 V-API-1S καιG2532 CONJ ηγουμαιG2233 V-PNI-1S σκυβαλαG4657 N-APN ειναιG1510 V-PAN ιναG2443 CONJ χριστονG5547 N-ASM κερδησωG2770 V-AAS-1S
(GW) It's far more than that! I consider everything else worthless because I'm much better off knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. It's because of him that I think of everything as worthless. I threw it all away in order to gain Christ
(HCSB) More than that, I also consider everything to be a loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. Because of Him I have suffered the loss of all things and consider them filth, so that I may gain Christ
(KJV) Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
(MKJV) But no, rather, I also count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them to be dung, so that I may win Christ
(MSG) Yes, all the things I once thought were so important are gone from my life. Compared to the high privilege of knowing Christ Jesus as my Master, firsthand, everything I once thought I had going for me is insignificant—dog dung. I've dumped it all in the trash so that I could embrace Christ
(NAS77) More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish in order that I may gain Christ,
(NAS95) More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ,
(NET) More than that, I now regard all things as liabilities compared to the far greater value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things– indeed, I regard them as dung! – that I may gain Christ,
(NIrV) Even more, I consider everything to be nothing compared to knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. To know him is the best thing of all. Because of him I have lost everything. But I consider all of it to be garbage so I can get to know Christ.
(NIV) What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ
(NKJV) Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ
(NLT) Yes, everything else is worthless when compared with the infinite value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have discarded everything else, counting it all as garbage, so that I could gain Christ
(RV) Yea verily, and I count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may gain Christ,
(TPT) To truly know him meant letting go of everything from my past and throwing all my boasting on the garbage heap. It’s all like a pile of manure to me now, so that I may be enriched in the reality of knowing Jesus Christ and embrace him as Lord in all of his greatness.

 

[GodB4Us]

dung simply means manure. What's wrong with that? Paul isn't using it in a slang/curse context.

Philippians 3:8
(AMPC) Yes, furthermore, I count everything as loss compared to the possession of the priceless privilege (the overwhelming preciousness, the surpassing worth, and supreme advantage) of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord and of progressively becoming more deeply and intimately acquainted with Him [of perceiving and recognizing and understanding Him more fully and clearly]. For His sake I have lost everything and consider it all to be mere rubbish (refuse, dregs), in order that I may win (gain) Christ (the Anointed One),
(ASV) Yea verily, and I count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but refuse, that I may gain Christ,
(BBE) Yes truly, and I am ready to give up all things for the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, which is more than all: for whom I have undergone the loss of all things, and to me they are less than nothing, so that I may have Christ as my reward,
(CSB) More than that, I also consider everything to be a loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. Because of him I have suffered the loss of all things and consider them as dung, so that I may gain Christ
(ESV) Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ
(GNB) Not only those things; I reckon everything as complete loss for the sake of what is so much more valuable, the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have thrown everything away; I consider it all as mere garbage, so that I may gain Christ
(Greek NT TR+) αλλαG235 CONJ μενουνγεG3304 PRT καιG2532 CONJ ηγουμαιG2233 V-PNI-1S πανταG3956 A-APN ζημιανG2209 N-ASF ειναιG1510 V-PAN διαG1223 PREP τοG3588 T-ASN υπερεχονG5242 V-PAP-ASN τηςG3588 T-GSF γνωσεωςG1108 N-GSF χριστουG5547 N-GSM ιησουG2424 N-GSM τουG3588 T-GSM κυριουG2962 N-GSM μουG1473 P-1GS διG1223 PREP ονG3739 R-ASM ταG3588 T-APN πανταG3956 A-APN εζημιωθηνG2210 V-API-1S καιG2532 CONJ ηγουμαιG2233 V-PNI-1S σκυβαλαG4657 N-APN ειναιG1510 V-PAN ιναG2443 CONJ χριστονG5547 N-ASM κερδησωG2770 V-AAS-1S
(GW) It's far more than that! I consider everything else worthless because I'm much better off knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. It's because of him that I think of everything as worthless. I threw it all away in order to gain Christ
(HCSB) More than that, I also consider everything to be a loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. Because of Him I have suffered the loss of all things and consider them filth, so that I may gain Christ
(KJV) Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
(MKJV) But no, rather, I also count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them to be dung, so that I may win Christ
(MSG) Yes, all the things I once thought were so important are gone from my life. Compared to the high privilege of knowing Christ Jesus as my Master, firsthand, everything I once thought I had going for me is insignificant—dog dung. I've dumped it all in the trash so that I could embrace Christ
(NAS77) More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish in order that I may gain Christ,
(NAS95) More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ,
(NET) More than that, I now regard all things as liabilities compared to the far greater value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things– indeed, I regard them as dung! – that I may gain Christ,
(NIrV) Even more, I consider everything to be nothing compared to knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. To know him is the best thing of all. Because of him I have lost everything. But I consider all of it to be garbage so I can get to know Christ.
(NIV) What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ
(NKJV) Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ
(NLT) Yes, everything else is worthless when compared with the infinite value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have discarded everything else, counting it all as garbage, so that I could gain Christ
(RV) Yea verily, and I count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may gain Christ,
(TPT) To truly know him meant letting go of everything from my past and throwing all my boasting on the garbage heap. It’s all like a pile of manure to me now, so that I may be enriched in the reality of knowing Jesus Christ and embrace him as Lord in all of his greatness.

Can you explain the slang/curse context as not applying to Paul's life as a Jew in keeping the law for what he was saying it was dung in all that he had accomplished as if a boastful Jew? Thanks in advance.

 

[PloughBoy]

Did Paul used a bad word in verse 8 below?

Philippians 3:1Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

I do wonder if society is making too much of a big deal about the word that is used today in synonymous with Paul's use of the word "dung" in his days because Paul did say this.

Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Kind of makes me think dung is not really a bad word and neither is the word that we used today for dung, but apparently and somehow, it is.

Am I missing something here? Or are we to adhere to society's standard of a potty mouth, we should use dung instead? People used the word crap as if a better choice than that other word that we all frown upon, but then again, it does make me wonder why that other word is such a bad word when it means the same thing?

 

[GodB4Us]

Whenever any one cares to edify or correct as the Lord leads, please do.

If something bad happens or somebody was working hard and it became worthless, they sometimes use that word.

Paul was boasting of his past life as a Jew in all that he has accomplished as a Jew, but he considered it "worthless" and even as dung in light of Christ in knowing Him & the power of His resurrection..

So I still don't see Paul referring to actual manure when applying dung to his boasting of his former life as a Jew as if it was something best forgotten.... something to disdain or reject in favor of Christ.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

the following might be of help regarding your questions:

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And I count them but dung — So far am I from repenting, that I exposed myself to the loss of them. The discourse rises. Loss is sustained with patience; but dung is cast away with abhorrence. The Greek word, so rendered, signifies any vile refuse of things, the dross of metals, the dregs of liquors, the excrements of animals, the most worthless scraps of meat, the basest offals, fit only for dogs: in such a light did the apostle view every thing that would engage his dependance for justification, or stand in competition with Christ for his affection. That I may win Christ — May have him for my Saviour and Lord; may have an interest in all the offices that he sustains, and in all he hath done and suffered for the salvation of men, and may be made partaker of the benefits which he hath procured for me. And be found in him —
from: https://biblehub.com/commentaries/benson/philippians/3.htm

and from Myer:

Paul had become loser of all these things for Christ’s sake, and he holds them as not worthy of possession, but as rubbish! σκύβαλον,[159] refuse (such as sweepings, dung, husks, and the like)

Philippians 3 Meyer's NT Commentary

from Cambridge:

dung] Better, refuse, as R.V. margin. The Greek word is used in secular writers in both senses. Its probably true derivation favours the former, but the derivation popularly accepted by the Greeks (“a thing cast to the dogs”) the latter. And this fact leans to the inference that in common parlance it meant the leavings of a meal, or the like.

Philippians 3 Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges

from Bengel's Gnomen:

The appropriation of the [Saviour by the] believer.—ἐζημιώθην) not only I counted them loss, but in reality I cast them away.—σκύβαλα) There is an amplification here in regard to the believer’s self-denial as to all things: ζημία, loss, is incurred with equanimity; σκύβαλα are hastily thrown away, as things not afterwards to be considered worthy either to be touched or looked at. The Hebrew word, פרש, contains an Antanaclasis[38] in relation to the Pharisees;[39] see P. Zornii, T. 2. Opusc. sacr. p. 514. Gataker says: “σκύβαλον marks out any worthless thing, that is to be cast away, such as the excrements of animals, the dregs and grounds of liquors, the dross of metals, what falls from plants, the refuse of the crops, the bran of meal, the crumbs of the table, the wipings of the hands, which are destined for the dogs.[40] See this very fully in Adversar. misc. posth. cap. 43.”—ἵνα, that) The two things are incompatible, both to retain other things and to win (obtain) Christ.—κερδήσω καὶ εὑρεθῶ, that I may win and he found) Each of the two is antithetical to ζημίαν, loss. He who loses all things, not even excepting himself, wins Christ, and is won in Christ. Christ is his, and he is Christ’s.

Philippians 3 Bengel's Gnomon of the New Testament

Vincent's Word Studies:

Dung (σκύβαλα)

Rev., refuse. Either excrement or what is thrown away from the table; leavings. The derivation is uncertain. According to some it is a contraction from ἐς κύνας βάλλω to throw to the dogs.

See on filth, 1 Corinthians 4:13. Notice the repetition of gain, count, loss, all things, Christ.

Philippians 3 Vincent's Word Studies

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As you can see, it is in the translation that we might get an interpretation and idea as those verses that B-A-C @B-A-C pointed out show

dung simply means manure. What's wrong with that? Paul isn't using it in a slang/curse context.

Philippians 3:8
(AMPC) Yes, furthermore, I count everything as loss compared to the possession of the priceless privilege (the overwhelming preciousness, the surpassing worth, and supreme advantage) of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord and of progressively becoming more deeply and intimately acquainted with Him [of perceiving and recognizing and understanding Him more fully and clearly]. For His sake I have lost everything and consider it all to be mere rubbish (refuse, dregs), in order that I may win (gain) Christ (the Anointed One),
(ASV) Yea verily, and I count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but refuse, that I may gain Christ,
(BBE) Yes truly, and I am ready to give up all things for the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, which is more than all: for whom I have undergone the loss of all things, and to me they are less than nothing, so that I may have Christ as my reward,
(CSB) More than that, I also consider everything to be a loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. Because of him I have suffered the loss of all things and consider them as dung, so that I may gain Christ
(ESV) Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ
(GNB) Not only those things; I reckon everything as complete loss for the sake of what is so much more valuable, the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have thrown everything away; I consider it all as mere garbage, so that I may gain Christ
(Greek NT TR+) αλλαG235 CONJ μενουνγεG3304 PRT καιG2532 CONJ ηγουμαιG2233 V-PNI-1S πανταG3956 A-APN ζημιανG2209 N-ASF ειναιG1510 V-PAN διαG1223 PREP τοG3588 T-ASN υπερεχονG5242 V-PAP-ASN τηςG3588 T-GSF γνωσεωςG1108 N-GSF χριστουG5547 N-GSM ιησουG2424 N-GSM τουG3588 T-GSM κυριουG2962 N-GSM μουG1473 P-1GS διG1223 PREP ονG3739 R-ASM ταG3588 T-APN πανταG3956 A-APN εζημιωθηνG2210 V-API-1S καιG2532 CONJ ηγουμαιG2233 V-PNI-1S σκυβαλαG4657 N-APN ειναιG1510 V-PAN ιναG2443 CONJ χριστονG5547 N-ASM κερδησωG2770 V-AAS-1S
(GW) It's far more than that! I consider everything else worthless because I'm much better off knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. It's because of him that I think of everything as worthless. I threw it all away in order to gain Christ
(HCSB) More than that, I also consider everything to be a loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. Because of Him I have suffered the loss of all things and consider them filth, so that I may gain Christ
(KJV) Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
(MKJV) But no, rather, I also count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them to be dung, so that I may win Christ
(MSG) Yes, all the things I once thought were so important are gone from my life. Compared to the high privilege of knowing Christ Jesus as my Master, firsthand, everything I once thought I had going for me is insignificant—dog dung. I've dumped it all in the trash so that I could embrace Christ
(NAS77) More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish in order that I may gain Christ,
(NAS95) More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ,
(NET) More than that, I now regard all things as liabilities compared to the far greater value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things– indeed, I regard them as dung! – that I may gain Christ,
(NIrV) Even more, I consider everything to be nothing compared to knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. To know him is the best thing of all. Because of him I have lost everything. But I consider all of it to be garbage so I can get to know Christ.
(NIV) What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ
(NKJV) Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ
(NLT) Yes, everything else is worthless when compared with the infinite value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have discarded everything else, counting it all as garbage, so that I could gain Christ
(RV) Yea verily, and I count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may gain Christ,
(TPT) To truly know him meant letting go of everything from my past and throwing all my boasting on the garbage heap. It’s all like a pile of manure to me now, so that I may be enriched in the reality of knowing Jesus Christ and embrace him as Lord in all of his greatness.

Bless you ....><>

 

[GodB4Us]

I think I answered my own question; not sure though...

"....something to disdain or reject in favor of Christ."

When something is not disdain or reject in favor of Christ, then it is considered a curse or a cuss word? Granted, an unpleasant event or an undesirable result can cause someone to "cuss or curse", but this is not signifying any thing as far as being in favor of Christ.

So I think I understand Paul's usage of dung as not cussing nor cursing something or a work of his own when it is in favor of Christ & His finished work on the cross.

It is still somewhat up in the air seeing how one has to be careful not to use the dung word by itself but it is okay when comparing something in favor of Christ?

Greetings,

the following might be of help regarding your questions:

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And I count them but dung — So far am I from repenting, that I exposed myself to the loss of them. The discourse rises. Loss is sustained with patience; but dung is cast away with abhorrence. The Greek word, so rendered, signifies any vile refuse of things, the dross of metals, the dregs of liquors, the excrements of animals, the most worthless scraps of meat, the basest offals, fit only for dogs: in such a light did the apostle view every thing that would engage his dependance for justification, or stand in competition with Christ for his affection. That I may win Christ — May have him for my Saviour and Lord; may have an interest in all the offices that he sustains, and in all he hath done and suffered for the salvation of men, and may be made partaker of the benefits which he hath procured for me. And be found in him —
from: Philippians 3 Benson Commentary

and from Myer:

Paul had become loser of all these things for Christ’s sake, and he holds them as not worthy of possession, but as rubbish! σκύβαλον,[159] refuse (such as sweepings, dung, husks, and the like)

Philippians 3 Meyer's NT Commentary

from Cambridge:

dung] Better, refuse, as R.V. margin. The Greek word is used in secular writers in both senses. Its probably true derivation favours the former, but the derivation popularly accepted by the Greeks (“a thing cast to the dogs”) the latter. And this fact leans to the inference that in common parlance it meant the leavings of a meal, or the like.

Philippians 3 Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges

from Bengel's Gnomen:

The appropriation of the [Saviour by the] believer.—ἐζημιώθην) not only I counted them loss, but in reality I cast them away.—σκύβαλα) There is an amplification here in regard to the believer’s self-denial as to all things: ζημία, loss, is incurred with equanimity; σκύβαλα are hastily thrown away, as things not afterwards to be considered worthy either to be touched or looked at. The Hebrew word, פרש, contains an Antanaclasis[38] in relation to the Pharisees;[39] see P. Zornii, T. 2. Opusc. sacr. p. 514. Gataker says: “σκύβαλον marks out any worthless thing, that is to be cast away, such as the excrements of animals, the dregs and grounds of liquors, the dross of metals, what falls from plants, the refuse of the crops, the bran of meal, the crumbs of the table, the wipings of the hands, which are destined for the dogs.[40] See this very fully in Adversar. misc. posth. cap. 43.”—ἵνα, that) The two things are incompatible, both to retain other things and to win (obtain) Christ.—κερδήσω καὶ εὑρεθῶ, that I may win and he found) Each of the two is antithetical to ζημίαν, loss. He who loses all things, not even excepting himself, wins Christ, and is won in Christ. Christ is his, and he is Christ’s.

Philippians 3 Bengel's Gnomon of the New Testament

Vincent's Word Studies:

Dung (σκύβαλα)

Rev., refuse. Either excrement or what is thrown away from the table; leavings. The derivation is uncertain. According to some it is a contraction from ἐς κύνας βάλλω to throw to the dogs.

See on filth, 1 Corinthians 4:13. Notice the repetition of gain, count, loss, all things, Christ.

Philippians 3 Vincent's Word Studies

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As you can see, it is in the translation that we might get an interpretation and idea as those verses that B-A-C @B-A-C pointed out show




Bless you ....><>

Thanks for the information, brother.

Stull muddling this through as far as proper application for use of words like dung. The Lord will help me to see the proper usage soon enough.

 

[Curtis]

Did God use a bad word?

Eze 4:12 And you shall eat your food as barley cakes and you shall bake it with human dung as fuel in the sight of the people.
Eze 4:13 And the Lord said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the nations to whom I will drive them. [Hos_9:3]
Eze 4:14 Then said I, Ah, Lord God! Behold, I have never defiled myself. From my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dies of itself or is torn in pieces; neither did there ever come abominable flesh into my mouth. [Act_10:14]
Eze 4:15 Then He said to me, Behold, I will let you use cow's dung instead of human dung, and you shall prepare your food with it.

 

[PloughBoy]

Did God use a bad word?

Eze 4:12 And you shall eat your food as barley cakes and you shall bake it with human dung as fuel in the sight of the people.
Eze 4:13 And the Lord said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the nations to whom I will drive them. [Hos_9:3]
Eze 4:14 Then said I, Ah, Lord God! Behold, I have never defiled myself. From my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dies of itself or is torn in pieces; neither did there ever come abominable flesh into my mouth. [Act_10:14]
Eze 4:15 Then He said to me, Behold, I will let you use cow's dung instead of human dung, and you shall prepare your food with it.

Your Quote: question:

Did God use a bad word?

I know that many people do not believe that "GOD" is "GOD" and Many People do not grow every day since the day they were converted to Christ still do not Grow in The knowledge Of "GOD" and continue to Grow in who He is. And "The Christ of GOD"


Here is another Question:
Who is the Creator of All things?

and another one:
Who defines "wrongs" and does GOD do Anything Wrong? Can he say anything wrong, even when told "Israel" I going to make you eat your own "S__T" and drink your own "P" and eat your own Children and you are going to Know "That I AM GOD" because, I going to bring it to pass!

And how did he talked about "Israel and Judah" in the Book of Ezekiel? and I know you

Curtis​

You have read your Bible and not like those who pretend that thy have.
and I will, copy a portion Ezekiel to remind you, but The text editor might be like The school systems In "Utah" that the Very words of God is to offensive for the computer's Text editor.

And this has also been treated lightly from the Original words that GOD really spoke, because the Translators and the church thought God words are to harsh for The people of the Church! I have read what God had really has said in the Bible many-years ago, By A real translation of The Biblical Text of "HOLY SCRIPTURE" and most women , would faint if they knew what "GOD" has Said. most Christians have Not the patience of Reading because they are so full with junk readings and there is no more room to contain "THE TRUTH". and many have not come to understand that "Knowledge", "That There Is No More Room in The Inn"
enjoy this reading before this version of "The NIV" that support the 1984 that most likely is out of print. The 1984 VERSION, The Thompson Chain Study Bible" will no longer be in print to satisfy "mankind" personal taste definition, of "God's Holiness" {The Holiness of GOD}

◄ Ezekiel 23 ►

New International Version Par ▾ Two Adulterous Sisters 1The word of the Lord came to me: 2“Son of man, there were two women, daughters of the same mother. 3They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution from their youth. In that land their breasts were fondled and their virgin bosoms caressed. 4The older was named Oholah, and her sister was Oholibah. They were mine and gave birth to sons and daughters. Oholah is Samaria, and Oholibah is Jerusalem. 5“Oholah engaged in prostitution while she was still mine; and she lusted after her lovers, the Assyrians—warriors 6clothed in blue, governors and commanders, all of them handsome young men, and mounted horsemen. 7She gave herself as a prostitute to all the elite of the Assyrians and defiled herself with all the idols of everyone she lusted after. 8She did not give up the prostitution she began in Egypt, when during her youth men slept with her, caressed her virgin bosom and poured out their lust on her. 9“Therefore I delivered her into the hands of her lovers, the Assyrians, for whom she lusted. 10They stripped her naked, took away her sons and daughters and killed her with the sword. She became a byword among women, and punishment was inflicted on her. 11“Her sister Oholibah saw this, yet in her lust and prostitution she was more depraved than her sister. 12She too lusted after the Assyrians—governors and commanders, warriors in full dress, mounted horsemen, all handsome young men. 13I saw that she too defiled herself; both of them went the same way. 14“But she carried her prostitution still further. She saw men portrayed on a wall, figures of Chaldeans a portrayed in red, 15with belts around their waists and flowing turbans on their heads; all of them looked like Babylonian chariot officers, natives of Chaldea. b 16As soon as she saw them, she lusted after them and sent messengers to them in Chaldea. 17Then the Babylonians came to her, to the bed of love, and in their lust they defiled her. After she had been defiled by them, she turned away from them in disgust. 18When she carried on her prostitution openly and exposed her naked body, I turned away from her in disgust, just as I had turned away from her sister. 19Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 21So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled. c 22“Therefore, Oholibah, this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will stir up your lovers against you, those you turned away from in disgust, and I will bring them against you from every side— 23the Babylonians and all the Chaldeans, the men of Pekod and Shoa and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them, handsome young men, all of them governors and commanders, chariot officers and men of high rank, all mounted on horses. 24They will come against you with weapons, d chariots and wagons and with a throng of people; they will take up positions against you on every side with large and small shields and with helmets. I will turn you over to them for punishment, and they will punish you according to their standards. 25I will direct my jealous anger against you, and they will deal with you in fury. They will cut off your noses and your ears, and those of you who are left will fall by the sword. They will take away your sons and daughters, and those of you who are left will be consumed by fire. 26They will also strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewelry. 27So I will put a stop to the lewdness and prostitution you began in Egypt. You will not look on these things with longing or remember Egypt anymore. 28“For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am about to deliver you into the hands of those you hate, to those you turned away from in disgust. 29They will deal with you in hatred and take away everything you have worked for. They will leave you stark naked, and the shame of your prostitution will be exposed. Your lewdness and promiscuity 30have brought this on you, because you lusted after the nations and defiled yourself with their idols. 31You have gone the way of your sister; so I will put her cup into your hand. 32“This is what the Sovereign Lord says: “You will drink your sister’s cup, a cup large and deep; it will bring scorn and derision, for it holds so much. 33You will be filled with drunkenness and sorrow, the cup of ruin and desolation, the cup of your sister Samaria. 34You will drink it and drain it dry and chew on its pieces— and you will tear your breasts. I have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord. 35“Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Since you have forgotten me and turned your back on me, you must bear the consequences of your lewdness and prostitution.” 36The Lord said to me: “Son of man, will you judge Oholah and Oholibah? Then confront them with their detestable practices, 37for they have committed adultery and blood is on their hands. They committed adultery with their idols; they even sacrificed their children, whom they bore to me, as food for them. 38They have also done this to me: At that same time they defiled my sanctuary and desecrated my Sabbaths. 39On the very day they sacrificed their children to their idols, they entered my sanctuary and desecrated it. That is what they did in my house. 40“They even sent messengers for men who came from far away, and when they arrived you bathed yourself for them, applied eye makeup and put on your jewelry. 41You sat on an elegant couch, with a table spread before it on which you had placed the incense and olive oil that belonged to me. 42“The noise of a carefree crowd was around her; drunkards were brought from the desert along with men from the rabble, and they put bracelets on the wrists of the woman and her sister and beautiful crowns on their heads. 43Then I said about the one worn out by adultery, ‘Now let them use her as a prostitute, for that is all she is.’ 44And they slept with her. As men sleep with a prostitute, so they slept with those lewd women, Oholah and Oholibah. 45But righteous judges will sentence them to the punishment of women who commit adultery and shed blood, because they are adulterous and blood is on their hands. 46“This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Bring a mob against them and give them over to terror and plunder. 47The mob will stone them and cut them down with their swords; they will kill their sons and daughters and burn down their houses. 48“So I will put an end to lewdness in the land, that all women may take warning and not imitate you. 49You will suffer the penalty for your lewdness and bear the consequences of your sins of idolatry. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord.”

 

[PloughBoy]

Did God use a bad word?

Eze 4:12 And you shall eat your food as barley cakes and you shall bake it with human dung as fuel in the sight of the people.
Eze 4:13 And the Lord said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the nations to whom I will drive them. [Hos_9:3]
Eze 4:14 Then said I, Ah, Lord God! Behold, I have never defiled myself. From my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dies of itself or is torn in pieces; neither did there ever come abominable flesh into my mouth. [Act_10:14]
Eze 4:15 Then He said to me, Behold, I will let you use cow's dung instead of human dung, and you shall prepare your food with it.

your quote:
" bake it with human dung as fuel"

the original did not says "dung" that is the proper name of proper people. He spoke to the Common man in the common peoples language. he said and it was not dung!
When was the word dung first used?
The word recalls the ancient Germanic custom (reported by Tacitus) of covering underground shelters with manure to keep in warmth in winter. The meaning "animal excrement," whether used as fertilizer or not, is from late 13c.Oct 18, 2018