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Do you appreciate Philosophy?

You position on philosophy

  • Philosophy is completely misleading, but respectable.

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  • What’s philosophy?

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I have heard a lot that philosophy is bad, and won't send you to heaven. I don't know why.:confused: Philosophy promotes finding the truth, something that I really enjoy, and understanding. What is wrong with logic? So this is a chance to state whether philosophy is bad or good in your opinion, and of course to discuss why (if we may).

:peace:
 
Nothing is wrong with finding truth once it points you to Jesus.
If it points to self or man..then whats the logic.
 
What makes Jesus logically superior to man? Jesus was a human being too.He had a brain, a heart, etc.

He may have showed a great level of altruism, but what does that mean of how we go about our rational process?
 
Well the confusion here lies with the world's view and the bible's views on Jesus.
The fact that Jesus is the Son of God which book would give us a better understanding of who he is ?

The word of God or worldly resources written by men who don't believe in God.

http://www.talkjesus.com/get-saved-now/13601-questions-objections.html

I'm sure the members would love to share more about Jesus with you.
Be blessed.
 
Rizen,

The bible was written by people, human beings. And we are human beings today. Morally, we have not progressed. But morals evolve over time. They cannot stay constant as society does not behave this way. Sociology has very good applications for this. Google it some time.

If morals stay the way they are for hundreds of years, we end up getting immorality. The same morals that could hold a thousand years ago just cannot be justifiably held in the same respect today. Take slavery for example.

Slavery never disappears. It evolves over time to stay stable with society's awareness of it. There is nothing inherently wrong with slavery, otherwise we would all have to change the way society works. An economic system in which we have money itself, implies slavery. There is always going to be a hierarchy.

Another example would be digging up graves. Ages ago it would have been completely immoral. Today, we do it quite frequently to gain forensic evidence so as to catch murderers. We now realize that there is no damage done to the body, and as long as we feel that the cause is good, there is no moral damage done to ourselves.

Because that is where morals revolve around. What we feel is good: right and wrong. And our ego evolves, and changes as life progresses, and as society progresses. So I don't feel I need to understand that Jesus was holy. Holy implies spiritually sound, but that itself is a biased opinion that not all human beings hold. It simply matters how humans act in situations that promotes the altruism in which many human beings have conveyed; that which is what I need to understand.

As for Jesus turning water into wine, and reviving people; we must realize that these are allegorical writings. They convey a lesson which we should pay attention to which gives the bible merit, but literal interpretation of such is a little unhealthy, in my opinion of course.
 
Rizen,

The bible was written by people, human beings. And we are human beings today. Morally, we have not progressed. But morals evolve over time. They cannot stay constant as society does not behave this way. Sociology has very good applications for this. Google it some time.

If morals stay the way they are for hundreds of years, we end up getting immorality. The same morals that could hold a thousand years ago just cannot be justifiably held in the same respect today. Take slavery for example.

Slavery never disappears. It evolves over time to stay stable with society's awareness of it. There is nothing inherently wrong with slavery, otherwise we would all have to change the way society works. An economic system in which we have money itself, implies slavery. There is always going to be a hierarchy.

Another example would be digging up graves. Ages ago it would have been completely immoral. Today, we do it quite frequently to gain forensic evidence so as to catch murderers. We now realize that there is no damage done to the body, and as long as we feel that the cause is good, there is no moral damage done to ourselves.

Because that is where morals revolve around. What we feel is good: right and wrong. And our ego evolves, and changes as life progresses, and as society progresses. So I don't feel I need to understand that Jesus was holy. Holy implies spiritually sound, but that itself is a biased opinion that not all human beings hold. It simply matters how humans act in situations that promotes the altruism in which many human beings have conveyed; that which is what I need to understand.

As for Jesus turning water into wine, and reviving people; we must realize that these are allegorical writings. They convey a lesson which we should pay attention to which gives the bible merit, but literal interpretation of such is a little unhealthy, in my opinion of course.

The Holy Bible is Divine inspired, authored by the Holy Spirit and penned by the chose men - chosen by GOD alone.

http://www.talkjesus.com/scriptural-bible-answers/144-new-believers.html

Here you go:

Evidence & Bible Prophecy - Talk Jesus | Christian Forums

http://www.talkjesus.com/evidence-bible-prophecy/6-10-prophecies-fulfilled-recently.html

http://www.talkjesus.com/evidence-bible-prophecy/10-10-prophecies-fulfilled-jesus.html

http://www.talkjesus.com/evidence-bible-prophecy/15453-365-messianic-prophecies.html

http://www.talkjesus.com/evidence-bible-prophecy/86-crucifixion-jesus.html

http://www.talkjesus.com/evidence-bible-prophecy/23590-end-time-signs.html

http://www.talkjesus.com/scriptural...ble-fast-facts.html?highlight=authority+bible

http://www.talkjesus.com/press-stand/16-scholars-oldest-evidence-jesus.html

External Links


I do recommend understanding that just because you personally believe in something does not make it truth unless it comes from GOD.
 
I was not showing that I believe something in confliction to God. I was showing what a belief system is inherently. God isn't a belief system. He tells us what to believe, but not why it is so. I just wish to understand a little bit more; the mechanics sort-to-speak.
 
The only way to understand is to read...

External Links Chad provided would be a good start.
God bless
 
philosophy ain't bad.. but sometimes people tend to think that their finite minds can explain God... which sometimes makes philosophy bad for a Christian.

"See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ."
-Colossians 2:8

I took a philosophy class before and it was fun. Most of the time we had arguments about God, the existence of God, morality according to the standards of God, etc. And usually my professor tells me that I am blinded by my faith. :huh: But that was his foremost argument and I won the debate either way. That's because God exists and if you've experienced Him, you'd know how to get past those silly arguments and hold on to the truth the Bible holds, and our King shows.
 
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Philosophy can only promote a better understanding of ourselves by revealing why we [humanity] think the way we do ...but I`m not sure it serves much purpose in finding "truth" [God]as it pertains to God Himself, who is the Logo`s [divine logic] We humans are really good at lying to ourselves, so how do we philosophize our way to knowing and understanding truth [God] without true logic [who is God]

(I may have waned philosophical here)


GNB Co 3:18 You should not fool yourself. If any of you think that you are wise by this world's standards, you should become a fool, in order to be really wise. For what this world considers to be wisdom is nonsense in God's sight. As the scripture says, "God traps the wise in their cleverness"; and another scripture says, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are worthless."

Heb 4:12 The word [Logos] of God is alive and active, sharper than any double-edged sword. It cuts all the way through, to where soul and spirit meet, to where joints and marrow come together. It judges the desires and thoughts of the heart. There is nothing that can be hid from God; everything in all creation is exposed and lies open before his eyes. And it is to him that we must all give an account of ourselves.

Glossary Definition: Logos
 
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Hello, Jesus turned the water into wine period I would not have participated in the poll if I had read first what it is being discussed. As Chad posted, The Word of God is divinely inspired and innerrant. If you can't believe in that, then your philosophy of life is twisted. Our minds cannot conceive God, because He is too great and Holy. Yet He loves us and gave His Son't life for us. This is something that cannot be figured out or analyzed. This is God.
 
Did you hear about the philosopher who missed heaven by 18 inches? That was the distance from his head to his heart- selah.
 
Before I became a Christian I was interested in philosophy. I thought it was all part of 'the search' and valuable. Now, since becomming a Christian, I find it very annoying. I see these thinkers rolling around in their ideas and it's endless. They're missing the out button. I used to do my own philosophizing, but what a relief it was to find God and Christ and be set free from all that tedious explaining and theorizing, and not-knowing. I just don't see the point to it anymore. It seems like a lot of ungrounded, unproductive, unnecessary complications. The Word brings me to answers and simplification and peace. Philosophy brings me to more and more unfruitful questions, complication and my own little theories of on life and people, but no real understanding or useful way to apply.

It just annoys me. And I feel sorry for those caught up in it. I say to myself, 'Poor souls. If they only knew God, they'd have all their answers and a whole lot more.'

Maybe it's just not my thing. Maybe I just got to cluttered from my own theories. But God is such a welcome relief. I'm not designed with the capacity to generate those kind of answers. I'm designed to listen to God. And THAT is awesome. And so peaceful.
 
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Oh, dchena. Your clear, few words speak multitudes. Bless the Lord, oh, my soul!

Ps. 119:114 - "You are my shelter and my shield; I put my hope in Your word."
 
The word philosopher comes from the Greek. It means "lover of wisdom", and so there should be no conflict between philosophy and faith.

Everybody does have philosophical ideas about what a person is, what is good, how society should be structured and what is beautiful. Many of these are important issues, and philosophy is an attempt to think carefully and systematically about them.

I studied philosophy to undergraduate level and found that three years of asking the most basic and difficult questions about life strengthened my faith in Jesus Christ immeasurably.

The opening chapter of John's gospel is a masterful piece of poetic philosophical writing. It is also God's revelation to us. I don't see any contradiction in that.

Of course philosophy never got anyone to heaven. But that is true of a million other good things: poetry, Bible study, strawberries, friendship, gas cookers...

If philosophy is not your thing and it irritates you, then that's okay. The world needs doers as well as thinkers.
 
phi·los·o·phy
n. pl. phi·los·o·phies 1. Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.
2. Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
3. A system of thought based on or involving such inquiry: the philosophy of Hume.
4. The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs.
5. The disciplines presented in university curriculums of science and the liberal arts, except medicine, law, and theology.
6. The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
7. A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory: an original philosophy of advertising.
8. A system of values by which one lives: has an unusual philosophy of life.




If philosophy helped you find God, I'm not going to dis it. But keep in mind, it's God that helps you find God in everything that you take part in. I'm in a psychology class right now, and it's not psychology that is helping me find God's truth, it's reading the Bible and praying and listening to God. And all this is sparked by God revealing himself to me, in my life, because he chooses to, not because my classes help me find or understand God. Psychology certainly increases my wonder and amazement in God, because it all supports God's perfection. But so does Astronomy, and English, and Biology, etc. Even though I'm not not even ALLOWED to bring God into the class discussions.

I guess I think that without God, all the discliplines are dead (my opinion only), and it's God that reveals himself to us, not the other way around.

philosophy - 1. Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.
When God reveals his wisdom to us, dare I say has been revealed to me in whatever way I can actually phathom, it is not generated through thought. In fact, my experience has been that it removes the need for thought, and it becomes expression - love, compassion, action, connecting, teaching. It becomes experience and growth without the effort of thought. I can think about it after, and marvel at the perfection of it all, how it all makes so much sense, and at the beauty and far-reaching scope of it, but I don't think John sat around and thought a whole lot about what he was saying. It wasn't generated form his thought processes or by discussing possibilities and analysis with his peers. He was divinely inspired and merely expressed God's wisdom for God's purpose. And probably became a better human himself through that expression and experience of being divinely inspiried. You see poetic philosophy in it, and perhaps attribute it to John, but God is creation of all. His philosophy is perfect, his biology is perfect, his psychology is perfect. - God is perfect. I think it is beautiful that God reveals himself to you in philsophy. But my take is philosophy helps you because God is working in you, and you happen to be interested in philosophy. Any of the academic discliplines, if persued without God, are dead, and their incredible value to us is lost. All the potential that is there to better the world, create peace, etc. through educating ourselves, and opening opportunities for fulfillment, which is why I'm back in school, are limited. With God, instead of studying psychology, I'm studying God's incredible creation, and psychology can help me understand God's creation in our human ways. But God is the guide and goal. And this makes the discliplines most effective and productive personally and globally. Just my opinion.

I've always been a thinker. Never been a doer. I've failed as a doer, though I've tried. I've always been so much more comfortable just in my head, thinking. That's why I find relying on God for wisdom and answers such a relief and relaxation. I trust God. I don't need to figure anything out. And he is the one who is transforming me into a doer. There comes a time when doing is a logical extension of exploring thought. Growth - this is God's perfection to. God is cause of all things. God is creation of all things.

If you enjoy philosophy, it's because God created you that way. If God is revealed to you in philosophy, it's because he chooses to honor how he created you. That's my take. It still annoys me though, :wink: though it never used to. I don't think we disagree.
 
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No it looks like we don't disagree, which is a bit of a shame in some ways as I was looking forward to writing a long defence of philosophy and faith.

The teacher who does not let you talk about God in class philosophy has just crippled your chances of understanding of the great figures of Western Philosophy. Plato, Aristotle, Descartes, Kant, Kierkegaard, Spinoza all discussed God and the Divine at length. You couldn't even understand Hume's rejection of God without talking about God.

All truth is in Christ Jesus, so it follow that whenever we pursue truth, in whatever field, it brings us closer to God.

Bless you!
 
No it looks like we don't disagree, which is a bit of a shame in some ways as I was looking forward to writing a long defence of philosophy and faith.

I'm the same way. God bless.

I'm not taking Philosophy - remember, it annoys me. I avoid it. I'm taking psychology. But it's just as crippling, in my opinion, and makes for a very boring class.
 
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You can still write it out how you want to say it. I'm into reading it. I'm sure I'll learn something.
 
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