Does Hebrews 13:17 refer only to Church Leaders?

[nml3000]

Only Church Leaders? or does this also inclue elected political leaders (e.g. US presidents and Governors)

17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

 

[samahah]

Only Church Leaders? or does this also inclue elected political leaders (e.g. US presidents and Governors)

17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

The context seems to apply to Christian religious leaders.

 

[Christ4Ever]

The context seems to apply to Christian religious leaders.

Dear samahah,
I'd agree but in reading earlier: Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the word of God to you, whose faith follow, considering the outcome of [their] conduct. Hebrews 13:7 NKJV you could also take it as those who would use the word of God, which many politicians like to do in trying to get segments of the society that vote, to vote for them.

If you are in a country that allows for voting, then looking to the persons words, and most especially their walk should be a consideration when voting.
Prayer is most helpful as well!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[B-A-C]

It's possible that Hebrews 13 may be referring to only leaders in the church, but even if it is, Rom 13:1-3; doesn't appear to be.

 

[backNforth]

Only Church Leaders? or does this also inclue elected political leaders (e.g. US presidents and Governors)

That question assumes there are two authentic "leaders," but there aren't. There is only one genuine government, and it's on God's shoulder (Isa 9:6); all other contenders are pretenders. No man can serve two masters, which is why voting is unscriptural and why the majority remains in a hurt locker to this day.

 

[Hekuran]

That question assumes there are two authentic "leaders," but there aren't. There is only one genuine government, and it's on God's shoulder (Isa 9:6); all other contenders are pretenders. No man can serve two masters, which is why voting is unscriptural and why the majority remains in a hurt locker to this day.

I can't think of anywhere in the Bible that indicates there should be no leaders other than God.

Practically, If there is no legitimate government at all, how should decisions such as the best speed limit for cars in built up areas be made and enforced?

 

[Brad Huber]

I can't think of anywhere in the Bible that indicates there should be no leaders other than God.

Practically, If there is no legitimate government at all, how should decisions such as the best speed limit for cars in built up areas be made and enforced?

The horrors and corruptness that many governments involve themselves in, are obviously "not" doing God's work. We are to obey legitimate govt leaders who dont ask us to do things that we know are wrong. If they do, we are not to say amen and do that which is wrong in God's eyes. But otherwise do as they ask. If the Holy Spirit tells you to not do something that is questionable, dont do it. Simple as that.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Only Church Leaders? or does this also inclue elected political leaders (e.g. US presidents and Governors)

17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

While this verse is talking of church leaders there are verses that speak of obeying the law of the land. Here are two. You can do your search from here.

Romans 13:1-2
13 Everyone is to obey the governing authorities. For there is no authority that is not from God, and the existing authorities have been placed where they are by God. 2 Therefore, whoever resists the authorities is resisting what God has instituted; and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.​

Titus 3:1
3 Remind people to submit to the government and its officials, to obey them, to be ready to do any honorable kind of work​

 

[MedicBravo]

If someone in the church or otherwise are doing something clearly illegal and/or against what God has said/commanded then we are to ignore it.
Pretty sure no person or "government" decides where you go after you die.

 

[B-A-C]

If someone in the church or otherwise are doing something clearly illegal and/or against what God has said/commanded then we are to ignore it.

Amen.

Rev 20:4; Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

When the government says we all have to take the mark. I won't be taking it.

When Meshach, Shadrah, and Abednigo were thrown into the fiery furnace, for not obeying the government ( the King ) God saved them. The same with Daniel and the lion's den.

It's the same with all this gay, abortion, transgender nonsense. ( yes I said "nonsense" ) God isn't OK with it, and neither should we be.

 

[MedicBravo]

Amen.

Rev 20:4; Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

When the government says we all have to take the mark. I won't be taking it.

God will reward all who followed Him and fought evil and punish those who did not.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

God will reward all who followed Him and fought evil and punish those who did not.

Scripture please?


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings all,

Can someone please help me?

My thoughts are that a Christian ought obey the authorities of the land so as to give no place to the accuser against the name of Christ. To be an example of a Body that is not uprising against and inciting rebellion and trouble.

If we are to suffer, it is for righteousness, not for evil.

Are there passages in the Bible about this?


Bless you ....><>

 

[MedicBravo]

Greetings,



Scripture please?


Bless you ....><>

Basic God rewarding Good and punishing Evil. To think we are to be weak, do nothing, pansy pacifists in all things is simply untrue and absurd. As God is all Good, Perfect, Holy, etc. then of course He's going to punish Evil.

 

[backNforth]

I can't think of anywhere in the Bible that indicates there should be no leaders other than God.

You've missed the gist. Your statement might be more properly rendered as "I can't think of anywhere in the Bible that indicates there should be no leaders other than Godly leaders."

Practically, If there is no legitimate government at all, how should decisions such as the best speed limit for cars in built up areas be made and enforced?

Oh, the Lawful government does exist, but most are busy rendering unto its pretender.

We are to obey legitimate govt leaders who dont ask us to do things that we know are wrong.

This is yet another mainstream evangelical lie, a cop-out.

While this verse is talking of church leaders there are verses that speak of obeying the law of the land.

In God's kingdom Law, there is neither "separation of church and state" nor a separate "law of the land."