For His Salvation

[Sue J Love]

 

[Leumas]

When does the love of God, become the wrath of God?

 

[B-A-C]

When does the love of God, become the wrath of God?

I wonder if they have to be mutually exclusive?

Can a parent love their child, and yet the child faces the wrath of the parent at various times.
Now of course there is an eternal punishment (wrath?) and that is different. Some say God loves even those in hell.
I don't know. But the Bible says He does love unsaved sinners. ( Rom 5:8 )

 

[Leumas]

I wonder if they have to be mutually exclusive?

Can a parent love their child, and yet the child faces the wrath of the parent at various times.
Now of course there is an eternal punishment (wrath?) and that is different. Some say God loves even those in hell.
I don't know. But the Bible says He does love unsaved sinners. ( Rom 5:8 )

Isn't it written in your law,
that God hates all workers of iniquity?

 

[bdavidc]

When does the love of God, become the wrath of God?

God's love becomes His wrath when people keep rejecting it. He is patient, not wanting anyone to perish (2 Peter 3:9), but He won’t wait forever. The Bible says if you ignore His mercy and stay in sin, you’re storing up wrath for yourself (Romans 2:5). God’s love sent Jesus to save us, but if someone keeps refusing Jesus, the wrath of God stays on them (John 3:36).

The cross is the dividing line. If you trust in Christ, you’re saved. If you reject Him, you’re condemned already (John 3:18). God’s love gives us a way out, but His justice will deal with those who trample it. It’s that simple.

 

[Leumas]

God's love becomes His wrath when people keep rejecting it. He is patient, not wanting anyone to perish (2 Peter 3:9), but He won’t wait forever. The Bible says if you ignore His mercy and stay in sin, you’re storing up wrath for yourself (Romans 2:5). God’s love sent Jesus to save us, but if someone keeps refusing Jesus, the wrath of God stays on them (John 3:36).

The cross is the dividing line. If you trust in Christ, you’re saved. If you reject Him, you’re condemned already (John 3:18). God’s love gives us a way out, but His justice will deal with those who trample it. It’s that simple.

Did God know before he commanded Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of Good and evil, that they would disobey him? Yes or no

 

[Leumas]

Seeing how it is written in your law, that God hates all workers of iniquity, why do you keep insisting on that God loves everyone and God wants everyone to be saved?

 

[bdavidc]

Did God know before he commanded Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of Good and evil, that they would disobey him? Yes or no

Yes. God is all-knowing (omniscient). The Bible says, “Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world” (Acts 15:18), and He “declares the end from the beginning” (Isaiah 46:10). God knew before He created Adam and Eve that they would sin. He gave the command not because He was unaware of what would happen, but because it was part of His sovereign plan to reveal His righteousness, justice, mercy, and grace through redemption in Christ (Ephesians 1:4–10, Romans 5:12–21).

 

[Leumas]

Yes. God is all-knowing (omniscient). The Bible says, “Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world” (Acts 15:18), and He “declares the end from the beginning” (Isaiah 46:10). God knew before He created Adam and Eve that they would sin. He gave the command not because He was unaware of what would happen, but because it was part of His sovereign plan to reveal His righteousness, justice, mercy, and grace through redemption in Christ (Ephesians 1:4–10, Romans 5:12–21).

Therefore you agree, that it was his purpose and will for Adam and Eve to disobey him and commit sin? True or false

 

[bdavidc]

Therefore you agree, that it was his purpose and will for Adam and Eve to disobey him and commit sin? True or falseFalse.

False. God did not purpose or will for Adam and Eve to sin. Sin is never God's will. The Bible is clear that God is holy and cannot be the author or approver of sin.

James 1:13 says, "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God, for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." God gave Adam and Eve a real choice, not because He wanted them to fall, but because love and obedience must be voluntary to be genuine. He commanded them not to eat from the tree (Genesis 2:16–17), clearly revealing His will, that they obey.

But in His foreknowledge, God knew they would sin. That does not mean He willed it. Knowing something will happen is not the same as causing or desiring it to happen.

He allowed it because He had a greater redemptive plan through Jesus Christ. That is why Christ is called "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8). God permitted sin, but He did not will or approve of it. His will is always righteous (Psalm 145:17).

 

[bdavidc]

Therefore you agree, that it was his purpose and will for Adam and Eve to disobey him and commit sin? True or false

Leumas, instead of asking more questions, why don’t you just say plainly what you actually believe about God’s love, His wrath, and who He wants to save? What is your point? Are you trying to say God does not love everyone, or that He only wants certain people saved? Just be direct so we are not guessing at your agenda.

 

[Sue J Love]

False. God did not purpose or will for Adam and Eve to sin. Sin is never God's will. The Bible is clear that God is holy and cannot be the author or approver of sin.

James 1:13 says, "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God, for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." God gave Adam and Eve a real choice, not because He wanted them to fall, but because love and obedience must be voluntary to be genuine. He commanded them not to eat from the tree (Genesis 2:16–17), clearly revealing His will, that they obey.

But in His foreknowledge, God knew they would sin. That does not mean He willed it. Knowing something will happen is not the same as causing or desiring it to happen.

He allowed it because He had a greater redemptive plan through Jesus Christ. That is why Christ is called "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8). God permitted sin, but He did not will or approve of it. His will is always righteous (Psalm 145:17).

Amen!

 

[Garee]

When does the love of God, become the wrath of God?

His living word as it is written. Thou shall not, or you are dead, it is the wrath of God. His instrument death

Called the letter of the law (the whole Bible or sola scriptura.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.(death)

The I Am tongue power of both death and new born again life

John 18:5-9;They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.;As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they(the first group) went backward, and fell to the ground. (slain in the spirit. . the wrath of God the power of death);Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.;Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me (invisible God), let these go their way:;That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.

Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

 

[Leumas]

Leumas, instead of asking more questions, why don’t you just say plainly what you actually believe about God’s love, His wrath, and who He wants to save? What is your point? Are you trying to say God does not love everyone, or that He only wants certain people saved? Just be direct so we are not guessing at your agenda.

My agenda, is to bless myself in the Lord, at all times, forever and ever and ever.

 

[Leumas]

His living word as it is written. Thou shall not, or you are dead, it is the wrath of God. His instrument death

Called the letter of the law (the whole Bible or sola scriptura.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.(death)

The I Am tongue power of both death and new born again life

John 18:5-9;They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.;As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they(the first group) went backward, and fell to the ground. (slain in the spirit. . the wrath of God the power of death);Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.;Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me (invisible God), let these go their way:;That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.

Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

Please explain to me how this in conjunction with everything you have said, answers my question?

 

[Leumas]

False. God did not purpose or will for Adam and Eve to sin. Sin is never God's will. The Bible is clear that God is holy and cannot be the author or approver of sin.

James 1:13 says, "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God, for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." God gave Adam and Eve a real choice, not because He wanted them to fall, but because love and obedience must be voluntary to be genuine. He commanded them not to eat from the tree (Genesis 2:16–17), clearly revealing His will, that they obey.

But in His foreknowledge, God knew they would sin. That does not mean He willed it. Knowing something will happen is not the same as causing or desiring it to happen.

He allowed it because He had a greater redemptive plan through Jesus Christ. That is why Christ is called "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8). God permitted sin, but He did not will or approve of it. His will is always righteous (Psalm 145:17).

When someone starts in on me saying God does this and cannot do that or blah blah blah blah blah blah the first question I asked them is, are you speaking for God or you speaking for yourself. So before I even attempt to discuss what you just said here in this post, I want to know are you speaking for God on his behalf or you speaking of your own self? Which is it?

 

[Leumas]

I do not believe any of you, have the salvation of the Lord. I do not believe any of you even know the Lord.

 

[bdavidc]

blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah! What should I answer your questions when you do not answer mine?

Leumas, instead of asking more questions, why don’t you just say plainly what you actually believe about God’s love, His wrath, and who He wants to save? What is your point? Are you trying to say God does not love everyone, or that He only wants certain people saved? Just be direct so we are not guessing at your agenda.

 

[bdavidc]

My agenda, is to bless myself in the Lord, at all times, forever and ever and ever.

Leumas, that answer avoids the real issue. You say your agenda is to “bless yourself in the Lord,” but that’s not a clear answer to what I asked. I didn’t ask about your personal mood or phrasing, I asked what you actually believe about God’s love, His wrath, and who He wants to save. So again, be honest, are you saying God only loves some people? That He only wants certain people saved? Because the Bible says plainly, “God our Savior… will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth” (1 Timothy 2:3–4). If you’re trying to deny that, just say it. But stop dancing around the truth with vague answers.

 

[bdavidc]

I do not believe any of you, have the salvation of the Lord. I do not believe any of you even know the Lord.

You don’t get to decide who knows the Lord and who doesn’t. That judgment belongs to God alone. The Bible says, “The Lord knoweth them that are his” (2 Timothy 2:19). You claiming that none of us have salvation doesn’t make it true. What matters is whether someone has repented, believed the gospel, and is walking according to God’s Word, not whether they meet your personal standard. You are not the judge, and speaking like you are exposes pride, not discernment. If you really knew the Lord, you’d fear His Word enough not to speak that way about others who confess Jesus Christ as Lord and stand on Scripture. So instead of playing God, you should examine yourself and see whether you’re in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5).