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Forcing yourself to believe

lonelee

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When faith in an invisible, intangible, and inaudible being is required, how do you force yourself to believe? Do you believe in aliens? Ghosts? Fairies? God? If you do believe in these things, what makes you believe? If you don't believe what would need to happen to make you believe?

I do not believe. It would take a physical manifestation of any one of those beings to prove to me they existed at all. I could pretend to believe just so I would be saved, but who would I be fooling? Myself? God? Who? And would trying to fool anyone benefit me? Would it save my soul?
 
When faith in an invisible, intangible, and inaudible being is required, how do you force yourself to believe? Do you believe in aliens? Ghosts? Fairies? God? If you do believe in these things, what makes you believe? If you don't believe what would need to happen to make you believe?

The prophets who produced the holy scripture testify to the existence of God. What's the alternative to God? Believing that nothing created everything? Besides, I'm a Calvinist which means that belief is a gift from God, and not something you would choose on your own.
 
When faith in an invisible, intangible, and inaudible being is required, how do you force yourself to believe? Do you believe in aliens? Ghosts? Fairies? God? If you do believe in these things, what makes you believe? If you don't believe what would need to happen to make you believe?

I do not believe. It would take a physical manifestation of any one of those beings to prove to me they existed at all. I could pretend to believe just so I would be saved, but who would I be fooling? Myself? God? Who? And would trying to fool anyone benefit me? Would it save my soul?

You raise a legitimate argument. One entirely pertinent to our modern 'age of reason'.

I can provide no tangible proof for the existence of God. Now I'm not some fundamentalist who disavows science. Quite the opposite. I love science. I try to learn as much science as I can.

But the encounter I had with God that made me believe is entirely inexplicable. There are times when I question it, even doubt it. But God seems to always renew my faith in these inexplicable encounters. It's as if God meets me, and tends to it.

I can provide no solid evidence for you, but I do not force myself to believe. I do not pretend that I have faith, I do have faith.

Trying to fake faith, would be faithless. I don't recommend it. I do not recommend faith for a fear of hell, nor do I recommend faith for the promise of heaven. I think those are two great evils of conversion.

All I can say is I have faith.
 
When faith in an invisible, intangible, and inaudible being is required, how do you force yourself to believe? Do you believe in aliens? Ghosts? Fairies? God? If you do believe in these things, what makes you believe? If you don't believe what would need to happen to make you believe?

I do not believe. It would take a physical manifestation of any one of those beings to prove to me they existed at all. I could pretend to believe just so I would be saved, but who would I be fooling? Myself? God? Who? And would trying to fool anyone benefit me? Would it save my soul?


Folks complain about Christianity today just as they did in the days of early Christianity. "Some mocked. Some said they would consider the matter. Others believed"

Men talk, dream, think, go elsewhere, anything rather than "seek". Jesus said seek and you will find, knock and it will be opened ect. The Book reveals Him. Read the gospel of John in a seeking manner.

Folks are lazy....such a shame. Endeavor to meet Jesus rather than debate. If you do meet Him you will never be the same again.
 
No doubt it can be a confusing thing, sure was for me for a long time! One thing that's hard to imagine until you experience it: the Spiritual world actually has more tangible substance than the physical world! Why?

Because everything we've ever experienced in life has been physical, but then had to be translated to spiritual for our brain & mind to comprehend it, and therefore 'experience' it spiritually. That's actually where the mind lives, in the Spiritual world. Even the greatest of brain surgeons, when opening up a person's skull, have never seen a mind! Just a lump of electrified flesh, the brain.

In fact, when you think you experience something 'Right here, right now' you don't, and never have! All the thought waves are electrical energy, which is very similar to spiritual things. You cannot 'see' energy, only its effects. So if you 'see' something physical with your eyes, or 'feel' something with your hands, or whatever other physical sensation, it has to be translated to electrical impulses, routed through the brain/mind's memory banks, weighed, compared, and identified in imagination, and then milliseconds later, we see, feel or hear it in our mind! W-a-a-a-y AFTER it happened!

On the other hand the Spiritual world of God, and unfortunately of devils too, is instantaneous, and is in the same plane as our minds are. So for a fact a 'Spiritual Experience' can be and is far more 'real' than an 'imagined' physical experience. The problem we may have is that we are not as accustomed to 'Spiritual Experiences' as we are to the physical, so it may seem hard to pin down.

Who do you go to if you're sick? Just a wild guess, but I'm going to say your first thought, "A doctor!" Why? Because a doctor is a specialist in things of illness etc. To answer your question, if you desire to know of God, and the things of God, ask a Specialist! Ask God!

Yes, there are devils, many, many here can attest to that. So, make it perfectly clear when you pray: "God, I want to know the One True God of all things, the One who is the actual Creator! I don't want any phony Gods, and no devils, and because You are the Real God I ask YOU to reveal yourself to me that I may know You. Show me that you are REAL, so I may believe."

If you honestly desire that, you will not have long to wait, but know that this is in the Spiritual. Be open to however God decides to reveal himself to you, because, after all, He is the One that is God!
JDFree
 
This blog post by author K. Miles addresses this issue. It really makes you "think". It's titled Looking Through Intangibility:

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A blind man cannot see anything nor measure anything with his eyes. A blind man cannot see or measure the sky but yet a blind man believes in the sky.


Yes, others can tell the blind man that a sky exists and he can believe in the sky because he was told about it; not because he has seen it or touched it. But the blind man at some point has to believe and confirm it for himself lest he be deceived because he has no sight of his own to verify what's above him.


Describe the sky to a blind man and he may think you have gone mad. Tell a blind man “The sky is a humongous nothingness above us that we cannot touch physically but it is everywhere at once because the sky exists all over the earth.” Think about that definition. It sounds absurd! But yet the description is accurate is it not?


What if the blind man says “I don’t want to believe in the sky simply because you told me so. Your word is not good enough.


What if above my head right now is a ceiling? Not a sky - an emptiness - but an actual ceiling, a roof, a dome. What if what you think is the sky is only a ceiling and nothing else? A ceiling can be touched and measured and sounds more believable than a sky.I want to find out for myself."


Since a blind man cannot see the sky or measure it then how will this be proven to him?


Your explanation of the sky to a blind man cannot prove that it actually exists. Some things cannot be proven through words. Some things can only be proven within one's self.

Even if there was a dome ceiling above us and no sky—what would be above the dome ceiling? If something is above that ceiling then what else is above that?


We consist within nothing. Matter consists within nothing. Nothing was here since the beginning and we were placed inside of it. Thus, a sky (a nothingness) is very conceivable; even to a blind man once he understands that nothing was here from the beginning and all existence consists within nothing.


To believe in an unseen God is looked upon as being foolish. But in actuality, not believing in Him means your perception is not deep enough. You only believe in the sky because you've seen it. A blind man cannot rely on sight to believe in the sky.


If a blind man can believe in the sky, not because he was told it exists or because he has seen it, but because he has confirmed it within himself through reasoning and his understanding of nothingness—then you would say that this man has deeper perception than men which can see because it takes more to believe in the sky without sight than it does with sight.


Thus to believe in God without sight takes much deeper perception than it does to believe in Him only because you saw Him. Neither a blind man or a man with sight can see God. One can see the sky but neither can see God.


Who says sight is necessary to believe in God? It of course helps but is it necessary?

The words of others can only go so far. Confirmation has to be done within one's self with their own words and even through no words. Read What You Don't Understand Can Hurt You in order to deepen your perception and go the next level past the perception of your five senses and see why God being intangible is for your strengthening; not for your frustration.
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If you liked this then google "What You Don't Understand Can Hurt You" and read more blogs this author has written.
 
Beyond mere personal perceptions, sometimes limited as for the blind man, but also in all men: God has made provision. Just as the man cannot see the sky, but hears the fact of it explained by another so that he believes, so it is with the things of God. He has written His Word, and in the beginning set witnesses even before the Word was written. The witnesses with Jesus who saw all told others, who might believe.

There were so many witnesses that it made the facts very believable, and the facts answered the closest scrutiny: all but one of the apostles died to prove the truth of what they had witnessed and testified to in their blood! The one spared also suffered extreme punishment on the Isle of Patmos & elsewhere for his testimony of witness, and thousands of other disciples who had seen & known were brutally tortured & murdered as well, without recanting what they had seen!

In addition the creation of the universe is so complex and wondrous that even now, after thousands of years of study, man is just beginning to unravel the code and the facts of it. The DNA code of all living creatures proves the fact of Intelligent Design, not chance happenstance. Even secular science has finally come to the conclusion, from the facts: mankind must have started from 2 initial creatures, and even in the same area of the globe as Eden!

We see the creation & have studied atomic structure to some understanding. The research & tests all prove out, but the creation doesn't! Why? Because by all we know of atomic theory, molecular structure should fly apart: yet it does the opposite & clings together! Only a Power outside of this place could CAUSE that to be so. In addition, many of our foundational facts & truths of science were first found in the Bible in prophecies, long before man ever even imagined them to be so!

God is seen in His creation by all men. So much so that countless dedicated non-believers spend their entire lifetime desperately trying to cover up the evidence plainly seen, that a Loving God has created all, which we may see! In addition to, "out of the mouths of many witnesses..."
 
When faith in an invisible, intangible, and inaudible being is required, how do you force yourself to believe? Do you believe in aliens? Ghosts? Fairies? God? If you do believe in these things, what makes you believe? If you don't believe what would need to happen to make you believe?

I do not believe. It would take a physical manifestation of any one of those beings to prove to me they existed at all. I could pretend to believe just so I would be saved, but who would I be fooling? Myself? God? Who? And would trying to fool anyone benefit me? Would it save my soul?

I am sorry to hear that you struggle with not having faith..

May I ask, do you believe in Love? Think about the Love from your mother or father, or anyone that you know loves you very much. think about that Lofve a second. You cannot see that actual love, you cannot touch that love and you cannot hear that love. You can however, see the effects of love, touch the effects of love and hear the effects of love. But, you can feel love, not the effects but you can feel it.

We as christains can see, touch and hear our fathers love. It is real, as real as any love that anyone can ever have.
 
No doubt it can be a confusing thing, sure was for me for a long time! One thing that's hard to imagine until you experience it: the Spiritual world actually has more tangible substance than the physical world! Why?

Because everything we've ever experienced in life has been physical, but then had to be translated to spiritual for our brain & mind to comprehend it, and therefore 'experience' it spiritually. That's actually where the mind lives, in the Spiritual world. Even the greatest of brain surgeons, when opening up a person's skull, have never seen a mind! Just a lump of electrified flesh, the brain.

In fact, when you think you experience something 'Right here, right now' you don't, and never have! All the thought waves are electrical energy, which is very similar to spiritual things. You cannot 'see' energy, only its effects. So if you 'see' something physical with your eyes, or 'feel' something with your hands, or whatever other physical sensation, it has to be translated to electrical impulses, routed through the brain/mind's memory banks, weighed, compared, and identified in imagination, and then milliseconds later, we see, feel or hear it in our mind! W-a-a-a-y AFTER it happened!

On the other hand the Spiritual world of God, and unfortunately of devils too, is instantaneous, and is in the same plane as our minds are. So for a fact a 'Spiritual Experience' can be and is far more 'real' than an 'imagined' physical experience. The problem we may have is that we are not as accustomed to 'Spiritual Experiences' as we are to the physical, so it may seem hard to pin down.

Who do you go to if you're sick? Just a wild guess, but I'm going to say your first thought, "A doctor!" Why? Because a doctor is a specialist in things of illness etc. To answer your question, if you desire to know of God, and the things of God, ask a Specialist! Ask God!

Yes, there are devils, many, many here can attest to that. So, make it perfectly clear when you pray: "God, I want to know the One True God of all things, the One who is the actual Creator! I don't want any phony Gods, and no devils, and because You are the Real God I ask YOU to reveal yourself to me that I may know You. Show me that you are REAL, so I may believe."

If you honestly desire that, you will not have long to wait, but know that this is in the Spiritual. Be open to however God decides to reveal himself to you, because, after all, He is the One that is God!
JDFree

Wow, JD ! You really know how to explain things. But, I read this reply to my husband because he believes . . . well DOESN'T believe . . . just like Lonelee.

Well, Norm did not understand a word you said. Yet he understands so many other things. I think you have to actually experience God to believe in him. And as I understand it, God has to draw you in order for that to happen. So I suppose it is not entirely out of the question that God may not call Norm.

I guess this thought is pretty close to predestination, isn't it. Which is another subject. By the way, God DID call me, because I am a child of His. This is a really good post.
 
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The post title may give a hint to a problem. You mention pre-destined and I believe that, though I don't quite know how it works. I can get pretty darned close, but then I have to surrender to the thought, because it exceeds me. What I do know is that God knows: and if it's good enough for Him, it's stupendous for me!

But, back to the point, 'Forcing myself to believe'. The correct answer to that: it ain't gonna happen! Can your husband FORCE you to love him? Can you FORCE him to love you? You can force a child to clean up their room: but can you force them to WANT to clean up their room? All those things are a matter of the heart, not applied force. Integral with the heart is the spirit, as that real person inside that lives in this flesh & bones device.

The heart & spirit have different levels. There's the 'heart' or 'spirit' that makes us want to buy a new shirt, or watch a certain TV channel, or go for a walk. There's that deeper level that causes us to be enamored of someone, then perchance fall in 'love'. Love is given in quotes because it doesn't have much meaning till you get to the deeper level. Hubby can think of wifey on the way home and buy a fistful of roses, out of love. He can enjoy his wife's company very much, and the shared intimacy. But where the tires really hit the pavement, when the real journey begins, is when adversity enters in!

True, deep, abiding love is my friend, who has given up working and suffers quite a bit for it financially. Why is that true, deep, abiding love? Because he quit work so he can care for the woman he truly loves, his wife. No, she doesn't really recognize him anymore except occassionally, because of the Alzheimer's. Not much for good conversation either. She cannot go out alone for anything. She's useless for house chores, cooking etc. She needs constant helps all day long, every single day. He could have dropped her in a care home and had his employer's insurance pay for it. But, he believed. He believed to the very soul of his heart in the vow he took, out of love: "...Till death do us part..." Such love!

He set aside himself, that SELF of self, and gave that self of him over to another. It is written, "...the two shall become one flesh...', and he gives of himself to make up for what is wounded in his lovely wife's self; that he gives the very flesh of his heart & soul to the woman he TRULY LOVES!

God already loves every single human being ever born, because by His act of creation, each is actually born of Him, again beyond our understanding. Within that, and fully beyond our knowing, He desires a loving relationship with us. That's why the Scripture says that the Christians are 'The bride of Christ'. He wants a VERY close loving relationship: that the two become one flesh. The one & only thing that gets in the way of that? SELF!

John the Baptist explained the entire Bible in 6 words. Seeing Jesus passing by afar off, he said to his own disciples, "He must increase; I must decrease." By that he explained what was standing between man & God: SELF! We are to lose self to God, but nothing is lost! Why? Because God does the same in return! When we decrease ourselves in His direction, He INCREASES himself in our direction! And what part do we lose? All the BAD STUFF! And what do we receive in return? ALL THE GOOD STUFF!

We cannot 'force' ourselves to believe. We can though make a decision in our heart, that inner heart of hearts, that because we feel somehow empty, somehow incomplete, that we would desire to be filled and be complete. That which is missing is that which God possesses, and gives richly. That which completes us is the missing part: God instead of self. Because we cannot force any of this there's only one choice left: ask. Very simply, "God, if you are up there, if there truly is a God, one Almighty God of all things who created the whole universe, please, show yourself to me. And please, God, do not allow any false or phony God to horn in and deceive me: only YOU, the one True Lord God Almighty, please? I WANT to believe, God, but I just don't know how. Please, show me?"

After we ASK God, we have to then follow through on our end: LET GOD! Simple logic tells us He would know what He's doing in this, and that He is the one that has the experience there, so we relinquish our self and leave it entirely up to Him. Couldn't be easier. After that we listen and watch and turn our thoughts as much as possible from self to allow Him to come in. He will.

From there, when it does happen, we may ask Jesus to be our Lord and Savior, to wash us of all our sins forever, to put them as far away as the east is from the west. He will.

In fact, within that of pre-destination and also being the children of God, He even gives us the 'Believe', from himself, to keep forever as our own. And He will love us, fully beyond all human comprehension: and we will finally, after so many empty years, be filled and whole!

God is the missing piece in this jigsaw puzzle that is our lives, every single time! A part of man, probably a hidden Gift of God, WANTS to love! Because of my excessively wicked past life I hung out with some really mean, nasty guys. In almost ever case, where they weren't already completely fried on drugs, these mean nasty guys actually had a soft spot in there somewhere! God knows where that is. We want to love, and He will teach us how. Why? Because, if there is anything True about God it is this: HE IS THE GOD OF LOVE!

So, don't force anything. Just set aside that part of self that wants forceful control of everything in our lives [I am no different!] and open the door! After an invitation from a broken spirit crying out in emptiness He will most surely enter in through the open door of your heart, and fill and fill and fill!
JDFree
 
Do you believe in aliens? Ghosts? Fairies? God? If you do believe in these things, what makes you believe?

I don't have enough faith to not believe in God's existence. I don't have enough faith to buy the idea that our incredibly complicated universe came into being by any means other than intelligent design (a.k.a. God).

If you don't believe what would need to happen to make you believe?

A truly open-minded approach to the subject; a willingness to study the works of Christian apologists like C. S. Lewis, Josh McDowell, & Charles Colson. And by the way - no one can force you to believe. The responsibility for that choice is yours and yours alone.

SLE
 
When faith in an invisible, intangible, and inaudible being is required, how do you force yourself to believe? Do you believe in aliens? Ghosts? Fairies? God? If you do believe in these things, what makes you believe? If you don't believe what would need to happen to make you believe?

I do not believe. It would take a physical manifestation of any one of those beings to prove to me they existed at all. I could pretend to believe just so I would be saved, but who would I be fooling? Myself? God? Who? And would trying to fool anyone benefit me? Would it save my soul?

God could drop a 500lb Bible on your home and you still wouldn't believe. Its a challenge for someone to believe by seeing. Only by hearing the Word and seeing Jesus in the scriptures can you be assured of believing. You've probably never heard a good faith message, like so many people on this planet haven't. Now if Jesus appeared and let's say healed you of some disease, then I could see someone believing because they've seen the gospel of grace in action. And this sort of thing has happened before.
 
When faith in an invisible, intangible, and inaudible being is required, how do you force yourself to believe? Do you believe in aliens? Ghosts? Fairies? God? If you do believe in these things, what makes you believe? If you don't believe what would need to happen to make you believe?

I do not believe. It would take a physical manifestation of any one of those beings to prove to me they existed at all. I could pretend to believe just so I would be saved, but who would I be fooling? Myself? God? Who? And would trying to fool anyone benefit me? Would it save my soul?

I think that a lot of people feel the way you do, and have a lot of the same questions. In that you are not alone.

I believe in God because He has delivered me through a lot of things. I know that I could not have handled them on my own. I tried for a long time to refute the existence of God, all the while feeling a hole and longing in my heart. I feel His presence. I keep my faith because I want to. I chose to take the leap, and I have felt I've been rewarded. Believing in God is not meant to be easy...it takes vulnerability and heart.

Pretending will get you nowhere, and you are right, you would be fooling no one. God knows the heart and motives of all His creatures. Deluding yourself to believe would not be believing at all, and salvation requires a true belief.

We all come to God differently, if and when we do. It starts with wanting to believe.

 
Hi Lonelee,

For a none believer, a person who sees no sense in believing in God, you have a very lonely name, almost like you are lacking or missing something.

I can understand how you feel. Though I never came out and said that I didn't believe, I drifted spiritually most of my life and really didn't care about God, I had no real use for him, much less Jesus.

Then one day, in a quite place, I started talking to God has if he really existed. I told him that I had every thing in life: successfully retired, a wonderful wife, two beautiful sons, two great Daughter-in-laws, well off financially, beautiful home, cars, boats, plenty of freedom, but I was "Lonelee". I told God that I had it all and I was just empty and unhappy. I told him that I could see a lot of sin in my life and it must be him that I needed. I asked him to come into my life and take over and help fill this void that I knew I had.

I can't tell you now if it was days, hours, minutes or seconds, but the change came over me and I haven't been empty or the same since.

Now, from what I experienced then and what I have learned in 6 years, God, Jesus and the Bible are unequivocally real and true.

So Lonelee, if you ever do find yourself lonely, on empty or just drifting around lost, you might just want to give God a chance to turn your life around!
 
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So Lonelee, if you ever do find yourself lonely, on empty or just drifting around lost, you might just want to give God a chance to turn your life around!

People who feel that void, that emptiness, try to fill it with something with frustratng results. I remember one Christmas Eve night during my drinking "career". I had had Christmas with my wife and kids. It should have been nice. They'd done their best to make it nice. It should have been nice, but it wasn't. I'd been floundering for years, not seeing any real value, any purpose, for my life. Everything was hum-drum and I felt the loneliness of being disconnected. I did what I'd done for years to fill that void - I turned to alcohol and spent several hours in a bar, just me and the bartender, but alcohol didn't fill the void that night. I left there as unhappy as I was when I walked in. I didn't come into a relation with God that night. Several more years of pain had to be suffered, but the time of my spiritual rescue did come and I am so very grateful.


SLE
 
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You raise a legitimate argument. One entirely pertinent to our modern 'age of reason'.

I can provide no tangible proof for the existence of God. Now I'm not some fundamentalist who disavows science. Quite the opposite. I love science. I try to learn as much science as I can.

But the encounter I had with God that made me believe is entirely inexplicable. There are times when I question it, even doubt it. But God seems to always renew my faith in these inexplicable encounters. It's as if God meets me, and tends to it.

I can provide no solid evidence for you, but I do not force myself to believe. I do not pretend that I have faith, I do have faith.

Trying to fake faith, would be faithless. I don't recommend it. I do not recommend faith for a fear of hell, nor do I recommend faith for the promise of heaven. I think those are two great evils of conversion.

All I can say is I have faith.
Would you mind sharing your encounter with God? I had a couple of experiences myself that were quite unusal and divine in appearance that I have trouble explaining logically. Though I do have my doubts occasionally I keep going back to these experiences when I need reassurance.
 
Pray for it!!

You should totally pray for God to open your heart to Him! And ask Him to come into your life!! Seriously... try it... and then just believe, just for a little bit until He becomes clear to you. I don't know exactly your struggles but I was recently saved about 7 months ago and now it's impossible for me NOT to see Him working in my life everyday. If its religion you have a problem with, then ditch it... I don't really believe in religion. Just stick to God and you'll be good!

Hope this will help ya!
I'll pray for you too!!
 
When faith in an invisible, intangible, and inaudible being is required, how do you force yourself to believe? Do you believe in aliens? Ghosts? Fairies? God? If you do believe in these things, what makes you believe? If you don't believe what would need to happen to make you believe?

I do not believe. It would take a physical manifestation of any one of those beings to prove to me they existed at all. I could pretend to believe just so I would be saved, but who would I be fooling? Myself? God? Who? And would trying to fool anyone benefit me? Would it save my soul?

You can't force yourself to believe but you might be able to force yourself to ask God to help you believe and read a bible. That's your choice and No; you can't pretend your way into heaven either. :)
 
When faith in an invisible, intangible, and inaudible being is required, how do you force yourself to believe? Do you believe in aliens? Ghosts? Fairies? God? If you do believe in these things, what makes you believe? If you don't believe what would need to happen to make you believe?

I do not believe. It would take a physical manifestation of any one of those beings to prove to me they existed at all. I could pretend to believe just so I would be saved, but who would I be fooling? Myself? God? Who? And would trying to fool anyone benefit me? Would it save my soul?

Hi Lonelee:

I suppose if I were in your shoes I would read the New Testament completely. Ask God to cause you to understand it and to explain it to you what you do not understand. Stay away from the Old Testament till your faith is strong. It takes study and lots of understanding for that one.

That would be a good start.

When I was younger I was much the same, I would believe for a time and then not. Finally the Holy Spirit found me and talks to me all the time. That will be hard for you to understand at this time but it will come one day.

I can read the so called horror stories in the Bible, and see someone like Richard Dawkins try to sway people and I can see between his words and how it is untrue. There are many challenges in the world of today, it is easy to become confused, to doubt, especially when you rely on other people, but God can explain it all, but sometimes you have to ask and listen.

So you will get to a point no one forces you, you just believe.

Try reading Gods word and ask him to help you with it. Not people just you and God.

I betcha that will work.

Kit
 
When faith in an invisible, intangible, and inaudible being is required, how do you force yourself to believe? Do you believe in aliens? Ghosts? Fairies? God? If you do believe in these things, what makes you believe? If you don't believe what would need to happen to make you believe?

I do not believe. It would take a physical manifestation of any one of those beings to prove to me they existed at all. I could pretend to believe just so I would be saved, but who would I be fooling? Myself? God? Who? And would trying to fool anyone benefit me? Would it save my soul?

im not trying to fool anyone. I have heard him speak. If i say i have a belief system, one that says not to lie, but i dont know him, then i make myself a hypocrite.
the fact you exsist is evidence there is a creator.
 
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