GOD is not Jesus and Jesus is not GOD!

[Rxlx]

List Of All My Posts About Jesus Not Being God In The Bible

Most Christians believe God is three Persons and Jesus is one of them. I believed that for 22 years until I read myself out of it in the Bible. Here is a list of over a hundred posts about Jesus not being God in the Bible.

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[bdavidc]

For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, ~ Colossians 2:9

My website shows the truth in the Bible that Jesus is God:
Click this link - Jesus is God

The Bible contains many passages that support the belief that Jesus is God. Here are some key verses that affirm His divinity:

1. Jesus is Called God​

• John 1:1, 14 – "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ... The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us."
  • This identifies Jesus (the Word) as God who became human.
• John 20:28 – "Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’"
  • Thomas directly calls Jesus "God," and Jesus does not correct him.
• Titus 2:13 – "Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ."
  • Jesus is referred to as "our great God and Savior."

2. Jesus is Worshiped​

• Matthew 14:33 – "Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God.’"
  • Jesus accepts worship, something only God should receive.
• Revelation 5:13-14 – "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, forever and ever!"
  • Both God the Father and Jesus (the Lamb) are worshiped.

3. Jesus Has Divine Attributes​

• John 8:58 – "Before Abraham was, I AM."
  • Jesus uses the divine name "I AM" (Exodus 3:14), identifying Himself as God.
• Colossians 1:16-17 – "For by him all things were created … He is before all things, and in him all things hold together."
  • Jesus is the Creator and sustainer of all things.
• Hebrews 1:3 – "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being."
  • Jesus fully represents God’s nature.

4. Jesus Forgives Sins​

• Mark 2:5-7 – "When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, ‘Son, your sins are forgiven.’ … ‘Who can forgive sins but God alone?’"
  • Only God can forgive sins, yet Jesus does it.

5. Jesus Has Power Over Life and Death​

• John 10:17-18 – "I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord."
  • Jesus has authority over His own life and resurrection.
• John 11:25 – "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die."
  • Jesus claims to have power over death.

 

[Christ4Ever]

JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD AND THE SECOND PERSON OF THE TRINITY!

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Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. John 7:16,17

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[Rhema]

So - some do, some don't?

No wonder Emperor Constantine demanded that the Council of Nicaea try to fix this.

(They were not successful, btw.)

Rhema
- Does the biggest type font win?

 

[Rhema]

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us."

• This identifies Jesus (the Word) as God who became human.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.​

(John 1:14 KJV)

Only God can forgive sins, yet Jesus does it.

I can forgive sins. Jesus even commanded me to forgive sins.

And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.​

(Luke 11:4 KJV)

Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.​

(John 20:23 KJV)

John 20:28 – "Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’"

• Thomas directly calls Jesus "God," and Jesus does not correct him.

The verse actually reads :

και (AND) απεκριθη (REPLIED) ο (THE) θωμας (THOMAS) και (AND) ειπεν (SAID) αυτω (TO HIM) ο (THE) κυριος (LORD) μου (OF ME) και (AND) ο (THE) θεος (GOD) μου (OF ME).

You want this verse to say, "The Lord God of me." But it doesn't.

It doesn't even say "The Lord AND God of me."

Rather, it says, "The LORD of me and the GOD of me." The existence of the first μου indicates that two persons are being addressed here, not that the appellation of God is being attached to Jesus.

Thomas addresses the Lord of him. And then he cries out to the God of him. If it meant anything different than this, it would have been written differently.

Grammar bites when it doesn't go your way.

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Rxlx]

GOD is not Jesus and Jesus is not GOD.

But all you Jesus-is-Goddists please answer me this: who was looking after heaven when Jesus was a baby, child and before taking over the family business and working as a carpenter for his adult life and eventually going back to heaven?

 

[Christ4Ever]

So - some do, some don't?

No wonder Emperor Constantine demanded that the Council of Nicaea try to fix this.

(They were not successful, btw.)

Rhema
- Does the biggest type font win?

Won'd know about the emperor. Friend of yours?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Rxlx]

5. Jesus Has Power Over Life and Death​

• John 10:17-18 – "I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord."
  • Jesus has authority over His own life and resurrection.
• John 11:25 – "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die."
  • Jesus claims to have power over death.

Jesus will use his power full time on Judgment Day.
He did give a few examples when he was on Earth before he went back to heaven to sit at the right hand of his father: GOD.
Trouble is that he will raise some of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah but not many who lie deliberately.

 

[Rhema]

Won'd know about the emperor. Friend of yours?

Lowbrow.

We have enough valid historical records to KNOW that the Council of Nicene was called to debate the Arian Christology v. Trinitarian Christology.

Do your own homework, eh?

 

[Rhema]

-sometimes

Since you locked me completely out of the other Trinity thread, I do want to comment that I've been enjoying the discussion between you and Butch.

However.... As you describe "Hierarchy," I'm not sure you have the right adjective. There is no equality within a Hierarchy. A General, Sargent, and Private describe a Hierarchy, and these are not equal, even if they do have different responsibilities. Neither would a Principal, Teacher, and Student. Or CEO, Manager, Employee.

BUT, you did state that these co-equal persons of the Trinity have differing responsibilities. (If I recall you used the word "Roles" (?)) Given this, a Teacher of Science, a Teacher of History, and a Teacher of Math would be in essence "co-equal" but I wouldn't want my history teacher to try and instruct me on differential equations. And I sure wouldn't ask my Gym Teacher to help me with my Nuclear Physics homework.

Now you say you heard the term "Hierarchy" from the Holy Spirit. If that's valid, then you are not a Trinitarian, but something else (since it's not really Nick's role to change definitions). But if God were Trinitarian, He would not have used that adjective "Hierarchy" although at this point I'm not quite comfortable with recommending any specific adjective.

When Paul started to speak about different roles in the church, he staunchly ruled out hierarchy.

For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. And if they were all one member, where were the body? But now are they many members, yet but one body. And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.​

(1 Corinthians 12:14-31 KJV)

(I'll slowly back away from the third rail now.)

Rhema

 

[Rxlx]

I'm Arian not silly trinitarian.
Jesus is GOD's son and not GOD.
GOD said so.
Jesus said so.
Satan said so.
Angels said so.
Demons said so.
I say so.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Lowbrow.

We have enough valid historical records to KNOW that the Council of Nicene was called to debate the Arian Christology v. Trinitarian Christology.

Do your own homework, eh?

If I cared to know I would make the attempt.

Since you locked me completely out of the other Trinity thread, I do want to comment that I've been enjoying the discussion between you and Butch.

However.... As you describe "Hierarchy," I'm not sure you have the right adjective. There is no equality within a Hierarchy. A General, Sargent, and Private describe a Hierarchy, and these are not equal, even if they do have different responsibilities. Neither would a Principal, Teacher, and Student. Or CEO, Manager, Employee.

BUT, you did state that these co-equal persons of the Trinity have differing responsibilities. (If I recall you used the word "Roles" (?)) Given this, a Teacher of Science, a Teacher of History, and a Teacher of Math would be in essence "co-equal" but I wouldn't want my history teacher to try and instruct me on differential equations. And I sure wouldn't ask my Gym Teacher to help me with my Nuclear Physics homework.

Now you say you heard the term "Hierarchy" from the Holy Spirit. If that's valid, then you are not a Trinitarian, but something else (since it's not really Nick's role to change definitions). But if God were Trinitarian, He would not have used that adjective "Hierarchy" although at this point I'm not quite comfortable with recommending any specific adjective.

When Paul started to speak about different roles in the church, he staunchly ruled out hierarchy.

For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. And if they were all one member, where were the body? But now are they many members, yet but one body. And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.​

(1 Corinthians 12:14-31 KJV)

(I'll slowly back away from the third rail now.)

Rhema

I hope I don't have to lock you out of this one too.
Keep reading the exchanges.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Rhema]

I say so.

So there....
(Sorry Sister, couldn't help myself.)


The debate between Arianism and Trinitarianism has been raging since before 325 AD. and will likely continue for centuries until the end.

I just want to make it clear that while I am not Trinitarian, I am also not Arian, nor Modalist. (I don't even think there is a term for my view of Christology.)

I once had a rather heated conversation with someone who was truly a Modalist, but screamed bloody murder that she was Trinitarian because God had three modes. (Go figure.)

One passage that seems to be overlooked n the Trinitarian conversation (@Christ4Ever) is from Paul's major epistle to the Romans. I shall just quote the verse, and highlight the more interesting areas without comment lest this post also becomes unexisted.

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:​

- Romans 1:3-4 KJV

I had always wondered why Paul hadn't written, "declared to be the Son of God... by his baptism with the Holy Spirit." But then again, Paul didn't have the gospel texts to read.

Blessings,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

I hope I don't have to lock you out of this one too.

Does your hatred run that deep?

Nick, I make a post that actually helps your position, and you threaten (again) to unalive my voice?

I know my health problems are the cause of me being awake right now, but are you okay? Ya seem a bit grumpy right now, and I've grown to have heartfelt concern for you buddy.

Rhema
(And I've been taking some time to pray about our PM.)

 

[Rxlx]

So there....
(Sorry Sister, couldn't help myself.)

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:​

- Romans 1:3-4 KJV

Romans 1:3 makes perfect sense to a Christian...
Jesus is not GOD and GOD is not Jesus:
GOD said so.
Jesus said so..etc and I say so.

 

[Rhema]

Keep reading the exchanges.

Indeed, insanity is fascinating to watch.



(Please note I did not say whose...)

 

[Christ4Ever]

Does your hatred run that deep?

Nick, I make a post that actually helps your position, and you threaten (again) to unalive my voice?

I know my health problems are the cause of me being awake right now, but are you okay? Ya seem a bit grumpy right now, and I've grown to have heartfelt concern for you buddy.

Rhema
(And I've been taking some time to pray about our PM.)

Brother,
I hope you get to feeling better, because you're losing your clarity as it pertains me.

I'm up because the Spirit got me out of bed to spend the hours responding to Butch.
Plus in between typing I was able to make some chocolate chip mini cookies along with a jug of hot coffee!

Keep praying. It's the best thing any of us can do!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Indeed, insanity is fascinating to watch.



(Please note I did not say whose...)

 

[Rxlx]

Arianism is the only way.

 

[Rhema]

I hope you get to feeling better, because you're losing your clarity as it pertains me.

Nope... you threatened to ban me again.

Other than that, I shall enjoy the coffee and cookies vicariously.

God bless,
Rhema