God of Love is a trinity God!

[KatrinaWingo]

Being God means always being. God is love, and was love before Genesis, before time...and to be love doesn't it make sense that there would be something to love? Love of self is not the kind of love that truly is love as we know it to be right? So I think that God being love in itself is a sign that there was always a trinity God. There are many others but when we think about God being love do we really choose to see that He was loving before "The beginning"?

 

[MrBear]

Being God means always being. God is love, and was love before Genesis, before time...and to be love doesn't it make sense that there would be something to love? Love of self is not the kind of love that truly is love as we know it to be right? So I think that God being love in itself is a sign that there was always a trinity God. There are many others but when we think about God being love do we really choose to see that He was loving before "The beginning"?

I think he loved us enough to create us!
I think he wanted a family to live with and watch over he could have just created a bunch of robots to do what ever he wanted us to but instead gave us free will to choose to love him back
Or turn from him only to receive us back into his arms like the prodigal son to bring us back even after we turn our backs on him
Adam and Eve lived 7 years in the garden before sinning and even after sinning god was dissapointed but even then he made clothes for them from animal skins because he knew they were ashamed
He loved them enough to close them off from the tree of life because he knew if they had lived forever knowing they had brought pain and sin to the world and the hate they caused would have been worse than death
Imagining having to live forever seeing all of your grandchildren great-grandchildren and everyone knowing that you were the one that caused the pain that would’ve been unbelievable it was a mercy killing because he loved
I love listening to THE GREAT BALDINI
This guy is a thinker so he is flighty with thoughts but what a great listen he said things that made me examine my own thoughts
When he said the Holy Spirit was like “mom” my spirit jumped and I thought yes that’s exactly how I feel
I spent the hour walking listening to his interview

Yes god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son
Shalom

 

[PloughBoy]

Now this Thread is under the section of:

• Questions about Christianity

Now my problem now is the Thread's Title "God of Love is a trinity God!" Sounds like the "Author" is making a "Imperative" statement with a Limitation about a "SOVEREIGN GOD". and not asking a question or consideration whether a "Trinitarian GOD is limited to a GOD of love. For Cupid is a god of love.

And Mr. Bear, i see you are wise, you said: "I think". wise choice of words. we are allowed to think, that is why GOD gave us brains. And we know, it does not mean we are right when we think. And thank GOD, thinking is allowed. But "indicatives" of a biblical statements can be tricky.

Sometimes things may sound good to our ear. But, Namaan was a "leper".

I hope you like that. I am not the enemy ok. we are so glad to have you both on Board.

And may we all continue to grow in grace.

 

[MrBear]

Now this Thread is under the section of:

• Questions about Christianity

Now my problem now is the Thread's Title "God of Love is a trinity God!" Sounds like the "Author" is making a "Imperative" statement with a Limitation about a "SOVEREIGN GOD". and not asking a question or consideration whether a "Trinitarian GOD is limited to a GOD of love. For Cupid is a god of love.

And Mr. Bear, i see you are wise, you said: "I think". wise choice of words. we are allowed to think, that is why GOD gave us brains. And we know, it does not mean we are right when we think. And thank GOD, thinking is allowed. But "indicatives" of a biblical statements can be tricky.

Sometimes things may sound good to our ear. But, Namaan was a "leper".

I hope you like that. I am not the enemy ok. we are so glad to have you both on Board.

And may we all continue to grow in grace.

Thank you for the kind words I’m enjoying your threads

 

[MrBear]

Now this Thread is under the section of:

• Questions about Christianity

Now my problem now is the Thread's Title "God of Love is a trinity God!" Sounds like the "Author" is making a "Imperative" statement with a Limitation about a "SOVEREIGN GOD". and not asking a question or consideration whether a "Trinitarian GOD is limited to a GOD of love. For Cupid is a god of love.

And Mr. Bear, i see you are wise, you said: "I think". wise choice of words. we are allowed to think, that is why GOD gave us brains. And we know, it does not mean we are right when we think. And thank GOD, thinking is allowed. But "indicatives" of a biblical statements can be tricky.

Sometimes things may sound good to our ear. But, Namaan was a "leper".

I hope you like that. I am not the enemy ok. we are so glad to have you both on Board.

And may we all continue to grow in grace.

I noticed you mentioned Trinitarian I value your own insight on the subject
I myself see God (father) Jesus (son), and Holy Spirit as 3 separate entities
You know some think all 3 are all the same
But I’m not sure the scripture backs that up
Depends on what your definition of “ begotten” is and I’m not insulting anyone’s belief at all but trying to expand on my own journey to hear what others think
Modalistic Monarchianism, also known as Modalism or Oneness Christology, is a Christian theology upholding the oneness of God as well as the divinity of Jesus; as a form of Monarchianism, it stands in contrast with Trinitarianism. Modalistic Monarchianism considers God to be one while working through the different "modes" or "manifestations" of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, without limiting his modes or manifestations
OR
Trinitarian
The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (Latin: Trinitas, lit. 'triad', from Latin: trinus"threefold")defines God as being one godexisting in three coequal, coeternal, consubstantial persons:God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ) and God the Holy Spirit — three distinct persons sharing one essence.

Again I’m just interested in your beliefs it is in no way meant to discourage nor anger or insult anyone’s beliefs
“ The quickest way to knowledge is admitting you know nothing”
I’m an open book and a curious mind
SHALOM

 

[Mayflower]

Being God means always being. God is love, and was love before Genesis, before time...and to be love doesn't it make sense that there would be something to love? Love of self is not the kind of love that truly is love as we know it to be right? So I think that God being love in itself is a sign that there was always a trinity God. There are many others but when we think about God being love do we really choose to see that He was loving before "The beginning"?

I agree that God is love and that He is a triune God, three in One.

 

[PloughBoy]

I noticed you mentioned Trinitarian I value your own insight on the subject
I myself see God (father) Jesus (son), and Holy Spirit as 3 separate entities
You know some think all 3 are all the same
But I’m not sure the scripture backs that up
Depends on what your definition of “ begotten” is and I’m not insulting anyone’s belief at all but trying to expand on my own journey to hear what others think
Modalistic Monarchianism, also known as Modalism or Oneness Christology, is a Christian theology upholding the oneness of God as well as the divinity of Jesus; as a form of Monarchianism, it stands in contrast with Trinitarianism. Modalistic Monarchianism considers God to be one while working through the different "modes" or "manifestations" of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, without limiting his modes or manifestations
OR
Trinitarian
The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (Latin: Trinitas, lit. 'triad', from Latin: trinus"threefold")defines God as being one godexisting in three coequal, coeternal, consubstantial persons:God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ) and God the Holy Spirit — three distinct persons sharing one essence.

Again I’m just interested in your beliefs it is in no way meant to discourage nor anger or insult anyone’s beliefs
“ The quickest way to knowledge is admitting you know nothing”
I’m an open book and a curious mind
SHALOM

I might not be the right person to address this; because you are in the rim of "religion" even what people call "Christian Theology" is only religious studies but they label it "Theology".

I am in the field of "Theology Proper" And total "GOD" centered referring to "The Biblical Text" what GOD has said and not what we think or others in the Biblical text has pen and thought how GOD is..

So, I have read "Tertullian" take on the Trinty because he is one of the Church fathers who put the polish touch on the term or doctrine. of "The Trinty". But I already had my view and personal understanding of "The Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost" by reading "The Book" that simple. But I had to understanding what The "Doctrine of The Trinty" was. You cannot understand what "The Doctrine of The Trinty" is if you never read The "doctrine".

How could you talk about something or heard the term mention and you do not understand what it is. So I study what "Tertullian" said about it. and Outside of The "doctrine". His conclusion of it was like my understand. Bottomline. There is "GOD the Father", GOD the SON, And GOD The SPIRIT" and they are in agreement 3 three different persons and I do not know what A "GOD" is. I never saw one, neither can my finite mind can contain what one is. If It is three in one, that's what it is. Because it is not human, and the best it can be describe. ok.

Example" i am PloughBoy, 1. I have body, 2. I have soul 3. I have a "Spirit". and they all three are different and they operate different and on earth they must be in agreement for me to exist. 3 in 1. And that is human. Now Ask me about GOD. If the Bible say The Father The Son The Holy Ghost. and they are one. Ok, turn the page and go on to the next chapter.

And religious people, go ahead on. If God said it, i believe it. Next. if he wants me to know, he will tell me. "THEO" "OLOGY".
American Standard Version
But godliness with contentment is great gain: :

1. God The Father Told Jesus; To create all creation, and then go down there and die in a Body I AM going to prepare for you and I want you to submit to those devils and then in 3 days get up from the gravel.. He said: OK.
2. He did what his Father told Him to do. He said every thing his father told him to say, He did everything his father told him to do. No questions ask.
3. Jesus went back, and Sent the SPIRIT [Ghost} Jesus told it to come back because this is the FATHER'S Command, And The Spirit Had a Job to do too, Jesus said he has to come. The Spirit, if I do not go back He ain't coming and you need him. ok.

Now who I'm I, asking why, If he is three in one, he is three in one.. How would i know what a GOD is? Oh, if God explain it, i still won't know. Nor will you.

Turn the page. Entities belongs to humans so does the word persons. When we are dealing with "GOD" it is way out of our league. GOD is not a creature he makes creatures, and Jesus is His Only Begotten SON and Jesus is not a Creation but GOD Created HIm A body. Now how did he do that. and Put Jesus in there. I do not know, and it is none my business.


NASB 1977
The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Thine enemies a footstool for Thy feet.” Now how. Not my business.
Acts 2:34
For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

King James Bible (GOD Said To HIS SON) Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

And they are different and they are one. And it is no way we can think a finite creature or "Comprehend" with a Finite mind what a "Infinite" Incomprehensible Being " is. Concerning, They Are "3 in 1" And After we have been in "Eternity" for over A Trillion LIGHT YEARS with a Glorified Body and learning about GOD every moment it will be just like we just got there, and when we get there we will be one with them. And still learning about Our FATHER.

And Jesus prayed this prayer for us and not for the world:
Prayer for all Believers
"I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me...I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—…" [AND THAT MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST, IS "INDICATIVE"]

Our suffering and denying ourselves is going to be worth every drop. And somehow "GOD" is Going to show the WORLD who we are. "Manifested in GLORY" Brighter than The STARS even Heaven it self. Heaven is not the glory of GOD we are.

Now that is The Love of GOD wrap up in what we term a "Trinitarian' GOD.

 

[MrBear]

I might not be the right person to address this; because you are in the rim of "religion" even what people call "Christian Theology" is only religious studies but they label it "Theology".

I am in the field of "Theology Proper" And total "GOD" centered referring to "The Biblical Text" what GOD has said and not what we think or others in the Biblical text has pen and thought how GOD is..

So, I have read "Tertullian" take on the Trinty because he is one of the Church fathers who put the polish touch on the term or doctrine. of "The Trinty". But I already had my view and personal understanding of "The Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost" by reading "The Book" that simple. But I had to understanding what The "Doctrine of The Trinty" was. You cannot understand what "The Doctrine of The Trinty" is if you never read The "doctrine".

How could you talk about something or heard the term mention and you do not understand what it is. So I study what "Tertullian" said about it. and Outside of The "doctrine". His conclusion of it was like my understand. Bottomline. There is "GOD the Father", GOD the SON, And GOD The SPIRIT" and they are in agreement 3 three different persons and I do not know what A "GOD" is. I never saw one, neither can my finite mind can contain what one is. If It is three in one, that's what it is. Because it is not human, and the best it can be describe. ok.

Example" i am PloughBoy, 1. I have body, 2. I have soul 3. I have a "Spirit". and they all three are different and they operate different and on earth they must be in agreement for me to exist. 3 in 1. And that is human. Now Ask me about GOD. If the Bible say The Father The Son The Holy Ghost. and they are one. Ok, turn the page and go on to the next chapter.

And religious people, go ahead on. If God said it, i believe it. Next. if he wants me to know, he will tell me. "THEO" "OLOGY".
American Standard Version
But godliness with contentment is great gain: :

1. God The Father Told Jesus; To create all creation, and then go down there and die in a Body I AM going to prepare for you and I want you to submit to those devils and then in 3 days get up from the gravel.. He said: OK.
2. He did what his Father told Him to do. He said every thing his father told him to say, He did everything his father told him to do. No questions ask.
3. Jesus went back, and Sent the SPIRIT [Ghost} Jesus told it to come back because this is the FATHER'S Command, And The Spirit Had a Job to do too, Jesus said he has to come. The Spirit, if I do not go back He ain't coming and you need him. ok.

Now who I'm I, asking why, If he is three in one, he is three in one.. How would i know what a GOD is? Oh, if God explain it, i still won't know. Nor will you.

Turn the page. Entities belongs to humans so does the word persons. When we are dealing with "GOD" it is way out of our league. GOD is not a creature he makes creatures, and Jesus is His Only Begotten SON and Jesus is not a Creation but GOD Created HIm A body. Now how did he do that. and Put Jesus in there. I do not know, and it is none my business.


NASB 1977
The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Thine enemies a footstool for Thy feet.” Now how. Not my business.
Acts 2:34
For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

King James Bible (GOD Said To HIS SON) Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

And they are different and they are one. And it is no way we can think a finite creature or "Comprehend" with a Finite mind what a "Infinite" Incomprehensible Being " is. Concerning, They Are "3 in 1" And After we have been in "Eternity" for over A Trillion LIGHT YEARS with a Glorified Body and learning about GOD every moment it will be just like we just got there, and when we get there we will be one with them. And still learning about Our FATHER.

And Jesus prayed this prayer for us and not for the world:
Prayer for all Believers
"I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me...I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—…" [AND THAT MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST, IS "INDICATIVE"]

Our suffering and denying ourselves is going to be worth every drop. And somehow "GOD" is Going to show the WORLD who we are. "Manifested in GLORY" Brighter than The STARS even Heaven it self. Heaven is not the glory of GOD we are.

Now that is The Love of GOD wrap up in what we term a "Trinitarian' GOD.

Thank you for your take on that I always like that you take your time explaining things
That is a gift I have yet to possess
I will look more into this post as I’m out on my walk right now
Thank you again brother
SHALOM

 

[Mayflower]

I might not be the right person to address this; because you are in the rim of "religion" even what people call "Christian Theology" is only religious studies but they label it "Theology".

I am in the field of "Theology Proper" And total "GOD" centered referring to "The Biblical Text" what GOD has said and not what we think or others in the Biblical text has pen and thought how GOD is..

So, I have read "Tertullian" take on the Trinty because he is one of the Church fathers who put the polish touch on the term or doctrine. of "The Trinty". But I already had my view and personal understanding of "The Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost" by reading "The Book" that simple. But I had to understanding what The "Doctrine of The Trinty" was. You cannot understand what "The Doctrine of The Trinty" is if you never read The "doctrine".

How could you talk about something or heard the term mention and you do not understand what it is. So I study what "Tertullian" said about it. and Outside of The "doctrine". His conclusion of it was like my understand. Bottomline. There is "GOD the Father", GOD the SON, And GOD The SPIRIT" and they are in agreement 3 three different persons and I do not know what A "GOD" is. I never saw one, neither can my finite mind can contain what one is. If It is three in one, that's what it is. Because it is not human, and the best it can be describe. ok.

Example" i am PloughBoy, 1. I have body, 2. I have soul 3. I have a "Spirit". and they all three are different and they operate different and on earth they must be in agreement for me to exist. 3 in 1. And that is human. Now Ask me about GOD. If the Bible say The Father The Son The Holy Ghost. and they are one. Ok, turn the page and go on to the next chapter.

And religious people, go ahead on. If God said it, i believe it. Next. if he wants me to know, he will tell me. "THEO" "OLOGY".
American Standard Version
But godliness with contentment is great gain: :

1. God The Father Told Jesus; To create all creation, and then go down there and die in a Body I AM going to prepare for you and I want you to submit to those devils and then in 3 days get up from the gravel.. He said: OK.
2. He did what his Father told Him to do. He said every thing his father told him to say, He did everything his father told him to do. No questions ask.
3. Jesus went back, and Sent the SPIRIT [Ghost} Jesus told it to come back because this is the FATHER'S Command, And The Spirit Had a Job to do too, Jesus said he has to come. The Spirit, if I do not go back He ain't coming and you need him. ok.

Now who I'm I, asking why, If he is three in one, he is three in one.. How would i know what a GOD is? Oh, if God explain it, i still won't know. Nor will you.

Turn the page. Entities belongs to humans so does the word persons. When we are dealing with "GOD" it is way out of our league. GOD is not a creature he makes creatures, and Jesus is His Only Begotten SON and Jesus is not a Creation but GOD Created HIm A body. Now how did he do that. and Put Jesus in there. I do not know, and it is none my business.


NASB 1977
The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Thine enemies a footstool for Thy feet.” Now how. Not my business.
Acts 2:34
For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

King James Bible (GOD Said To HIS SON) Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

And they are different and they are one. And it is no way we can think a finite creature or "Comprehend" with a Finite mind what a "Infinite" Incomprehensible Being " is. Concerning, They Are "3 in 1" And After we have been in "Eternity" for over A Trillion LIGHT YEARS with a Glorified Body and learning about GOD every moment it will be just like we just got there, and when we get there we will be one with them. And still learning about Our FATHER.

And Jesus prayed this prayer for us and not for the world:
Prayer for all Believers
"I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me...I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—…" [AND THAT MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST, IS "INDICATIVE"]

Our suffering and denying ourselves is going to be worth every drop. And somehow "GOD" is Going to show the WORLD who we are. "Manifested in GLORY" Brighter than The STARS even Heaven it self. Heaven is not the glory of GOD we are.

Now that is The Love of GOD wrap up in what we term a "Trinitarian' GOD.

Thank you, PloughBoy, I was going to say that. Honest. No, I know what I believe, but I do have to think long and hard on what scriptures to share and how to put into words the why. Time these days online is spent mainly reading here and there. Posting scriptures and worship songs, because this is what I usually look/listen too online. Prayer walls. I love to read discussions like this too. Thank you.
You put this beautifully.

 

[only son]

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I honestly just do not see how Trinitarians can answer this question and I have never received an answer from anyone who holds to the Trinity faith.

My question is simply this- - - is there are Trinitarian brother or sister who can answer this one question, ?

WHY IS YAHASHUA CHANGING / ALTERING and MODIFYING and ADJUSTING / MORPHING and LOWERING and DECREASING and REDUCING HIMSELF -

WHY IS YAHASHUA becoming empty / void and vacant of existing as EQUALLY God and SUDDENDLY SUDDENLY CHANGING HIMSELF TO BECOME A SERVANT OF GOD

WHY IS YAHASHUA SUDDENLY CHANGED AND ALTERED TO THE POINT THAT HE NO LONGER EXISTS TO BE EQUAL TO GOD.

BUT HIMSELF, HE HAS SUDDENLY BECAME EMPTY / changed altered BECOME VOID OF EQUALITY TO GOD

CHANGING INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM THAT WHICH HE PRE EXISTED = CHANGING INTO BECOMING A SERVANT

He is changed and lowered into - THE MORPH OF A SERVANT, RECEIVING IN THE LIKENESS OF MANKIND, HE BECAME.

BUT Trinitarians demand that Jesus always pre existed in heaven in exactly this very form. The Trinitarian Jesus was always existing as a SON OF GOD " the eternal son " Co - Eternal and Co - Equal - ALWAYS IN OBEDIENCE ALWAYS FOLLOWING ORDERS - ALWAYS A SERVANT who TOOK ORDERS FROM THE FATHER.

A second person in command - always under the father

this is who and what the Trinitarian Jesus - already was ?

So...... why is the Trinitarian Jesus changing and altering and modifying and lowering and decreasing and reducing himself to become the trinitarian that he already had eternally existed as in the Trinitarian Translation ? ?

is there a Trinitarian who can answer this simple question - please, from the Trinitarian Translation.

 

[Samson2020]

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I honestly just do not see how Trinitarians can answer this question and I have never received an answer from anyone who holds to the Trinity faith.

My question is simply this- - - is there are Trinitarian brother or sister who can answer this one question, ?

WHY IS YAHASHUA CHANGING / ALTERING and MODIFYING and ADJUSTING / MORPHING and LOWERING and DECREASING and REDUCING HIMSELF -

WHY IS YAHASHUA becoming empty / void and vacant of existing as EQUALLY God and SUDDENDLY SUDDENLY CHANGING HIMSELF TO BECOME A SERVANT OF GOD

WHY IS YAHASHUA SUDDENLY CHANGED AND ALTERED TO THE POINT THAT HE NO LONGER EXISTS TO BE EQUAL TO GOD.

BUT HIMSELF, HE HAS SUDDENLY BECAME EMPTY / changed altered BECOME VOID OF EQUALITY TO GOD

CHANGING INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM THAT WHICH HE PRE EXISTED = CHANGING INTO BECOMING A SERVANT

He is changed and lowered into - THE MORPH OF A SERVANT, RECEIVING IN THE LIKENESS OF MANKIND, HE BECAME.

BUT Trinitarians demand that Jesus always pre existed in heaven in exactly this very form. The Trinitarian Jesus was always existing as a SON OF GOD " the eternal son " Co - Eternal and Co - Equal - ALWAYS IN OBEDIENCE ALWAYS FOLLOWING ORDERS - ALWAYS A SERVANT who TOOK ORDERS FROM THE FATHER.

A second person in command - always under the father

this is who and what the Trinitarian Jesus - already was ?

So...... why is the Trinitarian Jesus changing and altering and modifying and lowering and decreasing and reducing himself to become the trinitarian that he already had eternally existed as in the Trinitarian Translation ? ?

is there a Trinitarian who can answer this simple question - please, from the Trinitarian Translation.

It will never happen as every scripture used has to be twisted to make it fit the narrative.

Biblically speaking God sent His only begotten Son (a man),(born of a woman and fathered by God Himself) into the world to become the propitiation for sin.

The reality of the Son being given life to have within Himself leaves Jesus out as having had life within Himself prior to it being given. Thus he was not eternal, nor immortal, nor
an independent being, until that giving took place, otherwise there would have been no need for the giving.

The Trinity doctrine avoids the reality of Jesus (a man), born of the Spirit of God twice, becoming a God, (A limitless, immortal, independent being that did not exist before the
second spiritual birth), this then quashes the possibility that you too can become a son of the living God with immortality, life within yourself, and diety status, although subjected
to the Son and the Father.
Once one has become what God is, to a point, he has become love itself, just maybe not as big a source.

To clarify, the spirit of Jesus that was placed in His body at conception was from the Father, just as every other humans spirit. We all came out from the Father to inhabit these
flesh and blood bodies according to Gods wisdom.
That spirit and yours has always existed as it was part of God otherwise it could not have come out from God. But was not independent from God.
Just as that spirit of Jesus was foreordained to be the only begotten Son and the propitiation for the sin of all men, so was your spirit foreordained to be a son of God and do the will of
God whether to good or evil.
All will eventually come into the knowledge of Gods plan and what Jesus has accomplished for them through his willing sacrifice to the Fathers will.

"Who gave Himself a ransom for ALL to be testified in due time."

Gods children have no choice but to become what God is as kind produces kind. Once one is born of the Spirit of God then the destination is quite clear, Jesus being the example
of what we shall become.
After all we shall see Him as He is because we shall be like Him.

We receive from God according to our faith, but if your vision is blindness, you'll never have faith for the above for you do not see it as possible.

There is a high calling of God in Christ Jesus and it has just been shortly explained to all who bother to read.