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God's 360 Plan

Charlie24

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When Adam and Eve were created in the Garden of Eden there was no such thing as death. Death came by the decree of God on man's sin. If they had never sinned, they would be some 6000 years old now still living in the same body of flesh.

From this we learn that God created man to live forever in the flesh. Man began in the flesh, in a perfect environment, and born-again man will return to a body of flesh in a perfect environment. I call this process "God's 360 plan."

Instead of a body of flesh energized by blood, we will have a body of flesh energized by the Spirit of God. A body as Christ had when He rose from the dead.

Born-again man is right back where God started with him, having taken a full circle (360) for God to complete His redemption plan for mankind and put an end to sin.

This 360 plan has been in operation for some 6000 years now, and no one knows when it will come to an end. God is still, as we speak, redeeming man from his sin through the shed blood of Jesus Christ on the Cross, and His resurrection.

Before the foundation of the world the Godhead had already determined, man would be created, man would fall into sin, and believing man would be redeemed.

God made this plan for you to spend eternity with Him, but there is a condition. That condition is believing that His Son, Jesus Christ, took your place on that Cross for the sins you have committed, taking those sins upon Himself and dying for those sins in your place.

All you have to do is accept the fact that you are a sinner in need of a Saviour, placing your faith in what He did for you so your sins can be forgiven and you can come back into fellowship with God. Some will make it very difficult for man to come back into relationship with God, but it really is that simple.

When you accept with a true heart what Christ has done for you, believing in Him, you will now see things as God see's them. Then your whole life will begin to change with the Holy Spirit leading you in His path.

God Bless
 
@Charlie24 said
Before the foundation of the world the Godhead had already determined, man would be created, man would fall into sin, and believing man would be redeemed.

'And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, (the dragon v.4)
whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb
slain from the foundation of the world.'
(Rev 13:8)

Hello Charlie,

I believe the word 'determined' is not appropriate here. God foreknew that man would fall into sin, and that death would enter as a consequence, and He provisioned for that eventuality in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, by His death and resurrection.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
(Rev 13:8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Hello Charlie,

I believe the word 'determined' is not appropriate here. God foreknew that man would fall into sin, and that death would enter as a consequence, and He provisioned for that eventuality in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, His death and resurrection.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Ok, I thought it was appropriate but maybe not.

The definition of determined is "having made a firm decision and being resolved not to change it."

God definitely made a decision at some point in infinity past to redeem man and how He would do it.

He certainly is resolved in not changing it.
 
Ok, I thought it was appropriate but maybe not.

The definition of determined is "having made a firm decision and being resolved not to change it."

God definitely made a decision at some point in infinity past to redeem man and how He would do it.

He certainly is resolved in not changing it.
Hi @Charlie24,

Yes, redemption was God's will for man, I agree. My problem with the word, 'determined', as you used it in the OP, was that it gave the impression that man's fall was pre-determined by God, Therefore the entrance of sin, and death by sin, was part of God's pre-determined plan.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Hi @Charlie24,

Yes, redemption was God's will for man, I agree. My problem with the word, 'determined', as you used it in the OP, was that it gave the impression that man's fall was pre-determined by God, Therefore the entrance of sin, and death by sin, was part of God's pre-determined plan.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

No, that is definitely not what I meant. I'm glad you clarified that for the readers.

God determined what He would do about the sin of man, knowing man would choose it.
 
Shake my hand in the Spirit, @Charlie24, for I am shaking yours.

Praise God! For His wondrous plan and purpose, and for providing the means whereby we could be saved from the consequence of sin, and receive His gift of life, through the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus, our Saviour, Lord and Head.

With love in Christ Jesus
Chris
 
All you have to do is accept the fact that you are a sinner in need of a Saviour, placing your faith in what He did for you so your sins can be forgiven and you can come back into fellowship with God. Some will make it very difficult for man to come back into relationship with God, but it really is that simple.

I could not disagree more.

Placing your faith in what He did for you does not get you saved from your sins. I would believe in father Christmas all day if it would get me presents.

What verse are you quoting? Scripture says the following:

Matt 16:24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

Psalm 51:17 My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise.


People living in the tribulation need to do the following:

Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Ten days of torture and then death for those in the tribulation OR just '''believe''' that a man called Jesus died on a cross (when the historian Josephus has already confirmed this happened).

You need to think more on what you teaching please.
 
'... ... God was in Christ,
reconciling the world unto Himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.'
(2Co 5:19)

Hello @Charlie24 & @KingJ,

God's work of reconciliation was completed on the cross, His sacrificial offering for sin, in Christ Jesus, has been made: now it is for mankind to do their part, by placing their trust in the all-sufficiency of the sacrifice of God's only Begotten Son on their behalf, and trusting God the Father to keep His word, by forgiving them for all their sin and accepting them in the Beloved. Thereby, cancelling the dept of sin, and declaring them 'not guilty'. For Christ, who knew no sin, took upon Himself the penalty for sin, and bore it on Calvary's cross, so that His righteousness may be imputed to us, and we may receive the gift of life promised, in Christ, from before the foundation of the world.

The process of salvation, from hearing the word of Truth, and believing what God has said concerning His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the efficacy of His one sacrifice for sin, and coming to God in simple faith and trusting Him for full salvation, rich and free, is all the work of God in us. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus, unto good works which He has before ordained that we should walk in. We are complete in Christ Jesus.

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris
 
I could not disagree more.

Placing your faith in what He did for you does not get you saved from your sins. I would believe in father Christmas all day if it would get me presents.

What verse are you quoting? Scripture says the following:

Matt 16:24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

Psalm 51:17 My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise.


People living in the tribulation need to do the following:

Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Ten days of torture and then death for those in the tribulation OR just '''believe''' that a man called Jesus died on a cross (when the historian Josephus has already confirmed this happened).

You need to think more on what you teaching please.

The apostle Paul is the only author of Scripture that tells us exactly how to be saved. It seems you've missed it.

Rom. 10:9-10

"But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

It's not about doing, it's about the believing/faith that doing will follow.
 
The apostle Paul is the only author of Scripture that tells us exactly how to be saved. It seems you've missed it.

Rom. 10:9-10

"But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

It's not about doing, it's about the believing/faith that doing will follow.

As I have said before, you have the cart before the horse. Rom 10:9-10 is only possible after these three items:

1. You cannot confess that Jesus is Lord without a revelation of Jesus being Lord from the Holy Spirit as Paul explains in 1 Cor 12:3 and faith given per Rom 12:3.

1 Cor 12:3 No one speaking by the Spirit of God ever says 'Let Jesus be cursed! ' and no one can say 'Jesus is Lord' except by the Holy Spirit”
Rom 12:3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you.


2. You will not get a revelation of Jesus being Lord unless you and I open the door to Jesus as explained by Paul in 2 Cor 7:10, John in Rev 3:20, James in James 4:8 and for those living before Jesus in the OT, by David in Psalm 51:17.

2 Cor 7:10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
Rev 3:20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
Psalm 51:17 My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise.
James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.


3. In order to repent at the level that causes God to judge it as something more then just empty words, which it is for a vast majority of Christians, the following needs to be considered:


Matt 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Jer 17:9-11 God judges the heart as no man can.


____________________________

Without considering these three items, 'your faith' in Jesus will accompany you to eternal damnation.

Matt 7:22 mentions great 'Christian' men and woman of great 'faith' who cast out demons, heal the sick and prophecy in His name and yet God does not know them.

Matt 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.
 
As I have said before, you have the cart before the horse. Rom 10:9-10 is only possible after these three items:

1. You cannot confess that Jesus is Lord without a revelation of Jesus being Lord from the Holy Spirit as Paul explains in 1 Cor 12:3 and faith given per Rom 12:3.

1 Cor 12:3 No one speaking by the Spirit of God ever says 'Let Jesus be cursed! ' and no one can say 'Jesus is Lord' except by the Holy Spirit”
Rom 12:3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you.


2. You will not get a revelation of Jesus being Lord unless you and I open the door to Jesus as explained by Paul in 2 Cor 7:10, John in Rev 3:20, James in James 4:8 and for those living before Jesus in the OT, by David in Psalm 51:17.

2 Cor 7:10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
Rev 3:20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
Psalm 51:17 My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise.
James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.


3. In order to repent at the level that causes God to judge it as something more then just empty words, which it is for a vast majority of Christians, the following needs to be considered:


Matt 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Jer 17:9-11 God judges the heart as no man can.


____________________________

Without considering these three items, 'your faith' in Jesus will accompany you to eternal damnation.

Matt 7:22 mentions great 'Christian' men and woman of great 'faith' who cast out demons, heal the sick and prophecy in His name and yet God does not know them.

Matt 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.

As I said in the OP, there are some who will make salvation very difficult.

It's as simple as hearing the Gospel and believing it from the heart.

Eph. 1:12-13
That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"
 
As I said in the OP, there are some who will make salvation very difficult.

True repentance = salvation, that is difficult but not complicated.

It's as simple as hearing the Gospel and believing it from the heart.

No, this does not get you saved. If a girl says she likes you and you believe this in your heart, it does not mean you are married.

You have the cart before the horse and are teaching a gummiberry juice Christianity. Say some magical words, have some magical thoughts and you are saved.
 
No, this does not get you saved. If a girl says she likes you and you believe this in your heart, it does not mean you are married.

When I see believe in the Bible I take to to truly mean believe, not like fake Christian who say with there lips they believe and live in sin, and there hearts are far apart. SO YES I agree with Charlie24 and most importantly with scripture that when we TRULY believe salvation is ours because true belief is different then what you are referring to IMO you are referring to fake belief many so called Christian today fall in to that category... we have to take the word of GOd for what it says not what we think it says or what we want it to say.
 
No, this does not get you saved. If a girl says she likes you and you believe this in your heart, it does not mean you are married.
.”

John 3:16

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
 
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Please read post #10 in this thread and the OP in this one:
 
When I see believe in the Bible I take to to truly mean believe, not like fake Christian who say with there lips they believe and live in sin, and there hearts are far apart. SO YES I agree with Charlie24 and most importantly with scripture that when we TRULY believe salvation is ours because true belief is different then what you are referring to IMO you are referring to fake belief many so called Christian today fall in to that category... we have to take the word of GOd for what it says not what we think it says or what we want it to say.

Dave, I know you mean well and I am sure that both yourself and Charlie have real faith in Jesus and truly believe.

But you are both getting the cart before the horse and teaching Christianity this way is mostly why many in church are close to falling away. Gummiberry juice Christianity. Magical words, magical belief, right religion, I am going to etenal bliss and all who cannot muster up this magical belief are deservedly going to eternal damnation where you will justly be tortured night and day forever and ever.

It is high time, we 'grasp' Christianity. Better understand God. And all stop making such silly statements that would not survive a day on an intellectual site. Doesn't even have to be a god bashing site.
 
Dave, I know you mean well and I am sure that both yourself and Charlie have real faith in Jesus and truly believe.

But you are both getting the cart before the horse and teaching Christianity this way is mostly why many in church are close to falling away. Gummiberry juice Christianity. Magical words, magical belief, right religion, I am going to etenal bliss and all who cannot muster up this magical belief are deservedly going to eternal damnation where you will justly be tortured night and day forever and ever.

It is high time, we 'grasp' Christianity. Better understand God. And all stop making such silly statements that would not survive a day on an intellectual site. Doesn't even have to be a god bashing site.

Anything from God will be abused by man. Paul said, "from the heart man believes unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

You can't change that, KIngj. Man will abuse it to some degree but it's still what it is.
 
Dave, I know you mean well and I am sure that both yourself and Charlie have real faith in Jesus and truly believe.

But you are both getting the cart before the horse and teaching Christianity this way is mostly why many in church are close to falling away. Gummiberry juice Christianity. Magical words, magical belief, right religion, I am going to etenal bliss and all who cannot muster up this magical belief are deservedly going to eternal damnation where you will justly be tortured night and day forever and ever.

It is high time, we 'grasp' Christianity. Better understand God. And all stop making such silly statements that would not survive a day on an intellectual site. Doesn't even have to be a god bashing site.

LOL you are funny guy, if you don't believe you wont repent its really that simple,
 
LOL you are funny guy, if you don't believe you wont repent its really that simple,

No Dave. You do not repent because you believe a man who walked the earth 2000 years ago is God of the universe.

You repent because God has given each person a working brain and a conscience.
 
Anything from God will be abused by man. Paul said, "from the heart man believes unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

You can't change that, KIngj. Man will abuse it to some degree but it's still what it is.

Read those words carefully. ''Confession is made unto salvation''. The moment you receive a revelation of Jesus being Lord, you will confess He is and be saved.

I think this is now the third time I have told you. You and nobody on this planet, can call Jesus Lord unless it is revealed to you by the Holy Spirit 1 Cor 12:3. This does not happen unless you repent, as explained in post #10 above. Cart before horse.
 
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