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Grace: Faith or Works?

Chad

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Are we saved by grace or works?
  1. Saved by grace
    1. (Ephesians 2:8-9) - "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, that no one should boast."
    2. (Rom. 3:20,28) - "because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin...28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
    3. (Galatians 2:16) - "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
  2. Saved by works
    1. (James 2:24) - "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone."
    2. (Matthew 19:1617) - "And behold, one came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?" 17And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."
God does not want a faith that is empty and hypocritical. James 2 is talking about those who "say" that they have faith but have no works. Therefore, people cannot tell if they are true believers or not, because there is no fruit. That kind of a faith is useless and is not a saving faith. True faith results in true works.

In Matthew 19:16-17, Jesus was speaking to a Lawyer who was self-righteous since he wanted to put Jesus to the test (Luke 10:25). He asked what he must do in order to obtain eternal life and Jesus responded with the requirements of keeping the commandments. If a person keeps all of the commandments, it would seem that they could obtain eternal life. However, nobody can keep all of the commandments. Therefore, Jesus' comments to this man show this man that justification can only be by faith since no one can keep all of the commandments. This is why it says in Eph. 2:8 that we are saved by grace through faith. Also, Romans 3:20,28 and Galatians 2:16 tells us that no one is justified in the sight of God by the law; that is, by the works that he can do.

There is no contradiction at all when we examine the contexts. We are justified by faith but that faith must be alive (James 2). The Law cannot save us because we are incapable of keeping it (Matthew 19:16-17). Therefore, salvation is by grace through faith.

Are We Justified by Faith (Romans) or by Works (James)?

In Romans it says,

"because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight . . . " (Rom. 3:20)

"for we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law,"
(Rom. 3:28)

"For what does the Scripture say? ‘And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness'" (Rom. 4:3)

"Therefore, having been justified by faith . . . " (Rom. 5:1)

"But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness" (Rom. 4:5).

In James it says, "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone," (James 2:24) and " . . . so also faith without works is dead," (James 2:26).

Which is it? Are we justified by faith or by works?

Does the Bible Contradict Itself?


It is a fundamental Christian belief that we are justified by faith. Justification means that God declares a sinner to be righteous. He does this by crediting, by reckoning the righteousness of Jesus to the sinner. This is done by faith. That is, when the sinner puts his faith in the sacrifice of Jesus and trusts in Him and not himself for righteousness, then God justifies him. "And Abraham believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness," (Rom. 4:3). But, if the Bible teaches that we are justified by faith, does it also teach we are justified by works as James seems to say? Do we have a contradiction? The answer is no.


Context is Everything



It is erroneous to take a verse, read it without its context, and then attempt to develop a doctrine from that verse alone. Therefore, let's take a look at the context of James 2:24 which says that a man is justified by works. James chapter 2 has 26 verses: Verses 1-7 instruct us to not show favoritism. Verses 8- 13 are comments on the Law. Verses 14-26 are about the relationship between faith and works.

Summary of James Chapter 2

14 - What use is it if someone says he has faith but no works?
15 - If you see someone in need
16 - and you don't give him what he needs, but say, ‘Go in peace, be warmed.' What use is that?
17 - therefore faith with no works is dead
18 - therefore, someone says "I will show you my faith by my works."
19 - you believe in God? Good. The demons do too.
20 - faith without works is useless.
21 - Abraham was justified by works when he offered Isaac
22 - faith was working with his works.
23 - Scripture says, "And Abraham believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness"
24 - you see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone.
25 - Rahab, was justified by works
26 - faith without works is dead
Notice that James begins this section by using the example of someone who says he has faith, verses 14. He then immediately gives an example of what true and false faiths are. He begins with the negative and demonstrates what an empty faith is (verses 15-17). Then he shows that that type of faith isn't much different from the faith of demons (verse 19). Finally, he gives examples of living faith by showing Abraham and Rahab as examples of people who demonstrated their faith by their deeds.

James is examining two kinds of faith: one that leads to godly works and one that does not. One is true, and the other is false. One is dead, the other alive; hence, "Faith without works is dead," (James 2:20).

This is why in the middle of his section on faith and works, he says in verse 19, "You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder." James says this because the demons believe in God, that is, they have faith, but the faith they have is useless. It does not result in appropriate works. Their faith is only a mental acknowledgment of God's existence.

Ascentia and Fiducia


Two words are worth introducing here: ascentia and fiducia. Ascentia is the mental ascent, the mental acknowledgment of something's existence. The demons acknowledge and believe that God exists. Fiducia is more than mental acknowledgment. It involves a trust in something, a giving over to it, a complete believing and acceptance of something. This is the kind of faith that a Christian has in Christ. A Christian, therefore, has fiducia; that is, he has real faith and trust in Christ, not simply an acknowledgment that He lived on earth at one time. Another way to put this is that there are many people in the world who believed that Jesus lived: ascentia. But they do not believe that He is their savior, the one to be looked to and trusted for the forgiveness of their sins.

Ascentia does not lead to works. Fiducia does. Ascentia is not of the heart. Fiducia is.
What is James Saying?


James is simply saying that if you ‘say' you are a Christian, then there had better be some appropriate works manifested or your faith is false. This sentiment is echoed in 1 John 2:4 which says, "If you say you have come to know Him, yet you do not keep His commandments, then the truth is not in you and you are a liar."

Apparently, there were people who were saying they were Christians, but were not manifesting any of the fruit of Christianity. Can this faith justify? Can the dead ‘faith' that someone has which produces no change in a person and no good works before men and God be a faith that justifies? Absolutely not. It is not merely enough to say you believe in Jesus. You must actually believe and trust in Him. If you actually do, then you will demonstrate that faith by a changed and godly life. If not, then your profession is of no more value than the same profession of demons: "We believe Jesus lived."

Notice that James actually quotes the same verse that Paul uses to support the teaching of justification by faith in Rom. 4:3. James 2:23 says, "and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, ‘and Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.'" If James was trying to teach a contradictory doctrine of faith and works than the other New Testament writers, then he would not have used Abraham as an example.

Therefore, we are justified by faith. That is, we are made righteous in the eyes of God by faith as is amply demonstrated by Romans. However, that faith, if it is true, will result in deeds appropriate to salvation. After all, didn't God say in Eph. 2:8-10, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them."
 
AMEN AMEN Chad.

I went out this weekand in Tulsa with ministry called "Seeking the Lost Ministry" that is what I call putting faith into action. I can do nothing to save myself it is only by His blood. THE CROSS!! But, when I serve Him in all things I am showing Him, He worthy of all things...

in His service,
debbi
 
Would like to add here Rev. C. I. Scofield's comments, that helped me understand this issue of apparent discrepancy between Romans 4:2 and James 2:24 on of Faith vs works. I quote the note on Romans 4:2 from his KJV Bible (emphasis in Bold mine, in Italics Scofield's):

"These are two aspects of one truth. Paul speaks of that which justifies man before God, viz faith alone, wholly apart from works; James of the proof before men, that he who professes to have justifying faith really has it. Paul speaks of what God sees - Faith; James of what men see - works, as the visible evidence of faith. Paul draws his illustration from Gen.15:6; James from Gen.22:1-19. James' key phrase is "ye see" (James 2:24), for men cannot see faith except as manifested through works."
 
Chad, nicely explained.

Mark 10:45 '...For the Son of Man came not be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.' (NRSV)

I realise that what Jesus says here comes in the context of the request of James and John; however that phrase 'not to be served but to serve' I think has some relevence here.

Because of love God met us, who had sinned, in His Son.

Because of love Jesus came, healed many, brought God's forgiveness, and gave His life on the cross to pay the cost of our sins.

This is an enourmous love - greater and more endless that we can possibly imagine.

And if we have faith - if we love the Lord our God with all our hearts and minds and souls and strength we too, His disciples, will serve also.
We will do 'good works' (serve) because of His love that fills us (faith).

blessings.
 
In Matthew 19:16-17, Jesus was speaking to a Lawyer who was self-righteous since he wanted to put Jesus to the test (Luke 10:25). He asked what he must do in order to obtain eternal life and Jesus responded with the requirements of keeping the commandments. If a person keeps all of the commandments, it would seem that they could obtain eternal life. However, nobody can keep all of the commandments.

Is the above a typing error, "nobody can keep all of the commandments" because, I don't understand. If one abides in Christ, he will help us to keep the Fathers commandments.

2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

God's free gift to us, was to give us the comforter, (holy spirit) to help us to walk away from darkness (sin). He gave us this free gift through his Son. His son knew no sin, but was tempted just like we are, so we now have the Spirit of Christ, within us, to help us to free us from sin and keep us away from sin and help us to keep Our Father's commandments.

Both The Father and Christ's (spirit), now dwell within me, to help me, and guide me to overcome sin. And all the glory goes to the Father, through our Lord Jesus Christ, because, it's nothing I did, there was no works on my part. God has given us that gift, because we have confessed to him that we need a saviour for our sins, and if we stay close to Him, through His son, he will guide us away from sin, and teach us His law.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
 
Responce to Word of Life

Great post Word of Life,

There are many strong faith people in Johannesburg, and great study materials printed there from the Qodesh Publishers. I hope someday to go there and meet some of my Brothers and Sisters in Yahshua.

Yahweh blessings to you

Hi Child
 
To God be the Glory.
Great Post Chad.


I don't make void the grace of God. For if righteousness is through the law, then Christ died for nothing!"
Galatians 2:21
 
Yes, aksd and wordoflife Amen!!! All I want to do is serve Him in all things and hate what He hates and love what He loves.

debbi
 
Should we keep the law?

Peace,

Righteousness can not be earned through the law, because the law as made for sinners and not the Righteous (1Ti 1:9). The Righteous are not under the law, the sinners are.

We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of Yahweh. It's impossible to keep all the laws, but that doesn't mean we should ignore them, or not keep them.

The scriptures are very clear what will happen if we sin wilfully >>

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries.

Yahweh doesn't want us to fall away again, and many will fall away in the last days. That's why Yahweh gave us the gift of grace found IN Yahshua that pardons our sins so we can to start our life all over again IN Yahshua by living according to what he taught (Righteousness) that leads to salvation.

Yahweh sent His son Yahshua here to teach us how to repent from sin "to stop serving Satan's will", and how to serve Yahweh by doing His Righteous will.

The Word of Yahweh is instructions to repent from living in sin, and to live in Righteousness, and the laws were made for sinners unto righteousness.

Therefore if were sinning then were under the applicabel laws to repent from those sins. If were not sinning then were not under those laws.

The NT scriptures also show Yahweh will put His laws in our hearts and minds (Heb 10:16). He doesn't do that so we can ignore them. He will do that because he wants us to keep them.

Anybody who says were not under the laws is basically saying we don't need them even if we keep serving Satan's will "sinning".

Paul clearly taught to keep the laws, and so did Yahshua and others.

Yahshua wasn't crucified to give us permission to serve the Father if sin.

It's true that we can't earn salvation just by trying to keep the laws.

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

This calls for understanding of what the word sanctified means: Strongs #37 (to separate from evil things and be dedicate to serving Yahweh)

Being dedicated to Almighty God means to repent from sin and serve His Holy will.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.

The word believeth is strongs # 4100 and means: (to put trust in and be committed unto)

If we trust Christ then we will follow him on his One Way Path of Righteousness unto Salvation. If we don't trust him, we would be denying him by not following and walking with him. Faith without walking with him is clearly dead. All the other many paths lead to destruction and death.

1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Once saved always saved? Then how do we explain these >>>

#1 Can we then take the mark of the beast and worshipping it's image?

#2 This is from Christ himself >> Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Master, Master, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Master, Master, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye workers of iniquity.

The word iniquity means: "Law breakers" (Strongs #458). It even says in the strongs "those who were ignorant of it, and those who violated it. So look at who Yahshua is going to deny, and who will be accepted.

Now let's confirm that by seeing some of the mentioned lawbreakers that will not be saved >>>

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Yahshua also teaches only a few will find life >>

Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Paul said alot of things, but look what became of him to realize >>

Rom 10:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Christ warns us so many times about these >> "be not decieved" and "don't let anybody lead you astray" and there will be wolves in sheep's clothing, and that in the last days to let no man deceive you, and many will fall away in the last days.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

We are not justified by the law, for that is impossible, and faith alone is also dead. (James 2:17-26)

It's clearly about becoming and keeping sanctified to separate from profane things and continue to be dedicate to God.

The first and great commandment in the law doesn't say to love Yahweh with some of our heart, or by our mind only. It says to love Yahweh with ALL our heart, ALL our soul, and ALL our mind. (Mat 22:36-37)

So what is true love? The ones that love Yahweh & Yahshua will obey what he taught (John 14:23, 14:15), and his Disciples also taught what Yahshua taught, and it all came from the Father (John 7:16)


His Child
 
God does not want a faith that is empty and hypocritical. James 2 is talking about those who "say" that they have faith but have no works. Therefore, people cannot tell if they are true believers or not, because there is no fruit. That kind of a faith is useless and is not a saving faith. True faith results in true works.

Now see, that's what I believe to be true, too.
 
Re: Grace - Faith or Works?

What saddens me is that so many people (members of my family included) think that being part of a certain denomination; following its dictates, jumping through its hoops, are what faith is all about. They've grown up in the church, worked to raise their kids to follow the 10 Commandments (with little or no emphasis on the first commandment) and they're convinced that they are living lives of faith.

True faith involves sincerely accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior, studying the Word, and allowing Him to change you and help you become like Him.


SLE
 
response to Grace..

Great article. I have been for years teaching that there is indeed works, but it is not the works of ceremonies, rituals, which Ephesians.2:9, is referring to. Because as I told them, that the grace of God is a teacher of works! But it is the works of Christianity, which we see plainly in Titus.2:11,12. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
 
Great article. I have been for years teaching that there is indeed works, but it is not the works of ceremonies, rituals, which Ephesians.2:9, is referring to. Because as I told them, that the grace of God is a teacher of works! But it is the works of Christianity, which we see plainly in Titus.2:11,12. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

But something must be clarified, the faith and works come from God. Read Romans 12, it's a great chapter.

Ephesians 3:20&21
20*Now glory be to God! By his mighty power at work within us, he is able to accomplish infinitely more than we would ever dare to ask or hope. 21*May he be given glory in the church and in Christ Jesus forever and ever through endless ages. Amen.
 
Works and faith.

We do have commandments to keep. Let's see what they are.

Mat 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

We see that the doctrines of MAN are not valid. This would include tradidtions passed down as a must do commandments. Like you can not work on Sunday. How bout eating Pork or dressing a certain way. Some say you can't wear gold rings or woman can not have short hair. I won't mentions what denomination this is as I attended the church for awhile. they also said baptism MUST be in the name of Jesus and not in the name of the Father, Son or Holy Ghost. Any other way of getting saved and you are going to hell they said. This is some examples of commandments of men.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honor thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

Did you notice the commandments Jesus mentioned? Noticed he left some out of the ten Commandments? We must keep these commandments as they all have to do with LOVE. Do not break your love walk. EVER!!!

Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

The Whole law hangs under the royal Law of Love. Every commandment rest under keeping that Love commandment.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Once again we see that there are commandments to keep.

Joh 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Here we see that love commandment again.


Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Again we see that love commandment.

We must walk in love. The love of God was shed abroad in our heart by the Holy Ghost. We are supernaturally equiped to walk in that love, so no excuse breaking that love walk. We are told if we walk according to the spirit we will not fulfull the lust and desire of he flesh. Keeping in God's love and destroying any root of bitterness that should spring up will keep us right where we need to be.

The Just shall live by faith, and without faith it is impossible to please God. Well, if we break that love commandment, then we jump out of faith. 5:6..............but faith which worketh by love. No, love, no faith. This is why the devil tries so hard to get us into strife with people. He is the anitchrist or anti anointing. Without that anointing, and faith then we are powerless to stop his actions in our life.

Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another.
Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Eph 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.

Paul said he could have faith to move mountians, but without love his voice carries no authority and sounds as brass symbols to that mountiain when commanded to move. We are told not walking in love toward our spouses can stop the power of prayer.

We can keep those commandments of love. We have all the power in us to do so. We are told we can be perfect if we offend not in word or deed. (1Co 13:2, 1pet 3:7, Jas 3:2)

We have commandents today that we must keep. It will take faith to keep them, and staying in the spirit. However don't concentrate on all the hundernds of commandments that are written, but concentrate on love. In everything we do, ask yourself if you would want to be treated like that, or want someone talking bad about you, or stealing that from you. concentrate on LOVE and the rest will take care of itself.



1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

Jeus Is Lord.

 
but concentrate on love. In everything we do, ask yourself if you would want to be treated like that, or want someone talking bad about you, or stealing that from you. concentrate on LOVE and the rest will take care of itself.

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1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

Jeus Is Lord.
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Yes, we need to concentrate on love more. If we truly learn to love each other, love covers many sins, and we have then fulfilled the commandments. Like you said the rest would take care of itself, if we Love others and treat others, as we want to be treated.

(1Pe 4:8) Above all, love each other warmly, because love covers many sins.
 
So then let me ask everyone here, are Jesus' commandments requisites or results of abiding in Him?
 
Jesus did say this:

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

(Joh 15:10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Jesus kept His Fathers commandments. So yes, if we abide in Jesus' love, we would be following and keeping all commandments.

God did promise in the Old Testament and He has kept that promise certainly with me. His law has now been put into my heart and mind.

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

And hs been repeated in New Testament:

(Heb 8:10) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

If you love God with all your whole heart, mind, body, soul and all your strength. We would be abiding in His laws.
 
Make no mistake.

SpiritLedEd, Word of Life, Great post!!!

jiggyfly quote:
So then let me ask everyone here, are Jesus' commandments requisites or results of abiding in Him?

you already have your opinion formed, I am sure. I think the real discussion would be what happens if we break those commandments.

Now your question. There are commandments that we must not break ever. There are several places in the scripture that state this fact. It can be done as the Word says it can be done. We would not be given any commandments that we were not empowered to keep.

If you Don't abide in him. (long list of things that can help you do that.) Then you can not keep those commandments, but are still guilty of breaking them if you do.
Jesus said without me you can do nothing. To break a commandment you must be aware of breaking it. We all are at different level's of growth here, and we slip up.

Just as SpiritLedEd said. We need God's help to do so. God said he would even make a way out when tempted. So, no excuse for jumping on the commandment breaking band wagon. ( I have sinned so don't think I sound as I have not.)

We have only two (Three if you count that we must believe on the name of Jesus given in 1 john 3:23) commandments.

1) Love God with all your mind, heart and soul. God first in everything.
2) Love your neighbor as yourself. Don't wrong anyone.

So the answer is, Abiding in him. That was the point of the whole new covenant as nobody could follow the law, well except Jesus.

Jesus Is Lord.
 
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