HIGHLY PLACED, by MJS

[NetChaplain]

The grace “through faith” (Eph 2:8) cannot be altered concerning its place within the believer (Rom 11:29), but concerning the oppression (dominance) from the sin nature, the believer can live under its effects, but only unnecessarily so. It is only a matter of time until this opposition (Rom 7) is finally understood, while all along it is being addressed by the Spirit of God (Gal 5:17), and from which every single believer, through the progression of “from glory to glory” (2 Cor 3:18; Rom 8:29) will inevitably be liberated, in that they will learn not to “allow” the hardness of this life to “trouble” them (John 14:1, 27).

And thus the lesson of “enduring” of all “hardness as a good soldier of Jesus Christ” (2 Tim 2:3) eventually becomes as practical as knowing (believing, trusting) that God uses everything (includes everything encountered) “for good to those who love Him” (Rom 8:28).

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Miles J Stanford

 

[NoHype]

The grace “through faith” (Eph 2:8) cannot be altered concerning its place within the believer (Rom 11:29), but concerning the oppression (dominance) from the sin nature, the believer can live under its effects, but only unnecessarily so. It is only a matter of time until this opposition (Rom 7) is finally understood, while all along it is being addressed by the Spirit of God (Gal 5:17), and from which every single believer, through the progression of “from glory to glory” (2 Cor 3:18; Rom 8:29) will inevitably be liberated, in that they will learn not to “allow” the hardness of this life to “trouble” them (John 14:1, 27).

And thus the lesson of “enduring” of all “hardness as a good soldier of Jesus Christ” (2 Tim 2:3) eventually becomes as practical as knowing (believing, trusting) that God uses everything (includes everything encountered) “for good to those who love Him” (Rom 8:28).

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Miles J Stanford

Oh, but that Grace can... be removed by Christ, IF... the believer falls away from Him to the world and devil instead!

Our Salvation through Christ's Blood is conditional for most of us that are called but not chosen, as it depends upon our keeping the Faith and patience in Christ Jesus, staying in the walk with Him (Gal.5 covers that very point, as does Romans 1 also, and Hebrews 6:4-8, and 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4).

But Romans 11:29 is about God's election of His chosen people Israel, even Israel "in part" who have as of yet rejected Christ so The Gospel could go to us Gentiles. Paul showed how God 'blinded' those away from the Truth so their rejection does not conflict with their future removal of that blindness in order to be put back in God's fold, for many of them will turn to Christ Jesus and believe in final as Paul shows there in Romans 11:25-28. That's how God's gifts and calling of election are permanent for those whom He has 'chosen' and not called only.

Can those who have been 'called' only of the Gentiles place ourselves in the shoes of God's 'chosen' elect? Only if we 'remain' steadfast in the Faith on Jesus Christ and not fall away from Him. Then we become joined with His chosen elect of the first Rom.11:1-5 section of Scripture, the remnant according to the election of grace.

 

[Coconut]

A Word in season NetChaplain, thank you!

I realized while reading this, that my continually trying to understand "why?" is a condition of pride, and contributes nothing to the Spirits conditions ... *och!*

I think high minded pride views the proclamation of HIGHLY PLACED as a personal invitation to the battle...at least it always shows up to my battles....usually disguised as reason....and causes no end of misery for me... just thought I would throw that in here.

 

[NetChaplain]

A Word in season NetChaplain, thank you!

I realized while reading this, that my continually trying to understand "why?" is a condition of pride, and contributes nothing to the Spirits conditions ... *och!*

I think high minded pride views the proclamation of HIGHLY PLACED as a personal invitation to the battle...at least it always shows up to my battles....usually disguised as reason....and causes no end of misery for me... just thought I would throw that in here.

Hi C - Thanks for you input which is always heart-sensitive. The opposition we have with our sin nature cannot cause us to loose the battle Christ has already won for us. Many have yet to understand that one who is born again has already won, so it's not a battle of win or loose, but how unmoved we are in the battle to realize we're as good as in heaven, which is unalterable.

 

[NetChaplain]

Our Salvation through Christ's Blood is conditional for most of us that are called but not chosen, as it depends upon our keeping the Faith and patience in Christ Jesus, staying in the walk with Him (Gal.5 covers that very point, as does Romans 1 also, and Hebrews 6:4-8, and 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4).

Concerning Heb 6:4-6, there are no words used to confirm the receiving of grace. One can be "enlightened" concerning the knowledge of the Gospel, and not understand it; can only have a "taste" of grace and not accept it, and be "made partakers of the Holy Ghost" in His using one in His works, such as healing, and still not possess salvation (Matt 7:22, 23).

We should not hesitate, for any reason, to check with the Bible commentators concerning testing our beliefs; and concerning the doctrine of OSAS, there are no Bible commentators who do not support its truths, nor can one find opposition to such among the commentators. If we fail to believe a doctrinal truth, it's only because we're not seeking to understand it in truth. Any truth not found is truth not sought, because if we seek truth we will find it.

 

[NetChaplain]

We should not hesitate, for any reason, to check with the Bible commentators concerning testing our beliefs; and concerning the doctrine of OSAS, there are no Bible commentators who do not support its truths, nor can one find opposition to such among the commentators. If we fail to believe a doctrinal truth, it's only because we're not seeking to understand it in truth. Any truth not found is truth not sought, because if we seek truth we will find it.

NH - I wanted you to know that this part of my post was not directed to you personally, but to many who fail to see the advantage of commentaries. Many think they may know more than them, and I admit we all have something the Lord wants to use us to share, but they do have more to share than most, which is very helpful when desiring to check your belief or understanding about a truth.

God's blessings to your Family, and I appreciate your consistency of truth seeking and sharing!

 

[NoHype]

Concerning Heb 6:4-6, there are no words used to confirm the receiving of grace. One can be "enlightened" concerning the knowledge of the Gospel, and not understand it; can only have a "taste" of grace and not accept it, and be "made partakers of the Holy Ghost" in His using one in His works, such as healing, and still not possess salvation (Matt 7:22, 23).

We should not hesitate, for any reason, to check with the Bible commentators concerning testing our beliefs; and concerning the doctrine of OSAS, there are no Bible commentators who do not support its truths, nor can one find opposition to such among the commentators. If we fail to believe a doctrinal truth, it's only because we're not seeking to understand it in truth. Any truth not found is truth not sought, because if we seek truth we will find it.

You're denying that Hebrews 6:4-8 message by trying to say those like that which fall away weren't really a true believer on Christ to begin with. That just doesn't work. Nor does your idea that The Holy Spirit will work through just anyone, even a non-believer. That idea of Hebrews 6 of one who once tasted of the gifts of the world to come by The Holy Spirit is a direct sign of a believer on Christ Jesus, and not just a whimsical notion to be passed off.

 

[NoHype]

We should not hesitate, for any reason, to check with the Bible commentators concerning testing our beliefs; and concerning the doctrine of OSAS, there are no Bible commentators who do not support its truths, nor can one find opposition to such among the commentators. If we fail to believe a doctrinal truth, it's only because we're not seeking to understand it in truth. Any truth not found is truth not sought, because if we seek truth we will find it.

That statement in bold-underlined is wishful thinking and cannot be backed up. The idea that the believer no longer needs to repent to Christ of future sins they may commit is not denied by most of the Christian scholars of western Christian history, as it has always been a foundational Christian Doctrine of Christ's Church. Yet the OSAS doctrines of men deny the need for future repentance to Christ.

So you're attempt to do a bit of 'revisionism' of historical Christian commentators doesn't work either.

 

[NetChaplain]

those like that which fall away weren't really a true believer on Christ to begin with.

I appreciate the sincerity in everything you post, but this is a good example concerning the advantage of a good commentator which teaches that one can "fall away" from a profession-only faith (a said-faith only--Jam 2:14), but not from a possessed-faith, and it is the professors-only to which the "fall away" refers.

There are two classes of people referred to in Hebrews 6; those which the writer of Hebrews indicates as "thorns and briers, and is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned" (v 8), and the only other verses which refer to this class are 4-6.

The remaining verses refer to those who the Hebrew writer was "confident of better things concerning you, yes, things that accompany salvation" (v 9), which will result in "abiding" (John 15:6, 7; 1 John 2:19). Only said-faith falls away, which reveals a parting from an insincere pursuit of faith, not a possession of faith. Since it is God who causes us to receive faith, it is He who "is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy" (Jude 1:24).

There's nothing more encouraging and secure than being convinced that Jesus never "looses" one who is born into Him, because He "keeps" every single one (John 17:12). This passage is in direct reference to the Apostles but nonetheless applies to all who become His. Such was not the inclusion of Judas, for Jesus knew "from the beginning" he did "not believe," and therefore was not His to loose. The only loss was Judas' appointed "ministry and apostleship" (Acts 1:25), which was not of faith in Christ, or he also would have believed and continued with Him.

 

[NoHype]

I appreciate the sincerity in everything you post, but this is a good example concerning the advantage of a good commentator which teaches that one can "fall away" from a profession-only faith (a said-faith only--Jam 2:14), but not from a possessed-faith, and it is the professors-only to which the "fall away" refers.

Yet I don't think you... are all that sincere, because you misquoted me once again in trying to twist my words to fit your wrongful views.

Here's my full statement you chopped up from my previous posts...

"You're denying that Hebrews 6:4-8 message by trying to say those like that which fall away weren't really a true believer on Christ to begin with."

You intentionally left out that part of my statement in bold there when you quoted me. I say 'intentionally' because this is not the first time you've done that sort of thing.

The Message of Hebrews 6 is first about a believer that falls away from Christ to follow the devil and this world. It's about those who once believed but then reject Christ as their Saviour. It's especially about those like Peter described in 2 Pet.2...

2 Pet 2:18-22
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
(KJV)

The rest of Hebrews 6 is about admonishing the brethren who remain in Christ to not do what those do. And thus that reveals that a believer can fall away from Christ to return to a life of iniquity, marking the OSAS doctrine of men as false.

 

[NetChaplain]

You intentionally left out that part of my statement in bold there when you quoted me. I say 'intentionally' because this is not the first time you've done that sort of thing.

When I post a partial quote it's because I want to focus on that certain part. If anyone desires to see the entire quote they can just go to the post. You're not going get much out of our correspondences being suspicious, which can result in being accusative, a trait of the Enemy (Rev 12:10). If you truly do not trust me, we need not correspond because it would not be proper for either of us to condone this type of response by continuing our communications.

Praying His best for you!

 

[NoHype]

When I post a partial quote it's because I want to focus on that certain part. If anyone desires to see the entire quote they can just go to the post. You're not going get much out of our correspondences being suspicious, which can result in being accusative, a trait of the Enemy (Rev 12:10). If you truly do not trust me, we need not correspond because it would not be proper for either of us to condone this type of response by continuing our communications.

Praying His best for you!

You're bearing false witness, because where you selected to chop my quote makes it seem to fit exactly what you believe on this topic which I do NOT agree with. Doing that is bearing a false witness, which is why one needs to be careful how... they quote others.

 

[NetChaplain]

You're bearing false witness, because where you selected to chop my quote makes it seem to fit exactly what you believe on this topic which I do NOT agree with. Doing that is bearing a false witness, which is why one needs to be careful how... they quote others.

If this is your reason for your accusation, I can understand why you could be suspicious, but now I have told you your suspicion is not why I did it, and you're still making the same claim, which means you don't want to believe me and that can not contribute to a resolution. Unless you want to work together in an acceptable manner we cannot continue corresponding. Wishing you His Best though!

 

[NoHype]

If this is your reason for your accusation, I can understand why you could be suspicious, but now I have told you your suspicion is not why I did it, and you're still making the same claim, which means you don't want to believe me and that can not contribute to a resolution. Unless you want to work together in an acceptable manner we cannot continue corresponding. Wishing you His Best though!

The only way for us to work together is for you to admit your mistake (once again), and then quit doing that chopping up. As long you keep doing that chop up you and I will never be on good terms with each other, regardless of whether we agree or disagree on Scripture points or not.

 

[NetChaplain]

The only way for us to work together is for you to admit your mistake (once again), and then quit doing that chopping up. As long you keep doing that chop up you and I will never be on good terms with each other, regardless of whether we agree or disagree on Scripture points or not.

I agree. I have admitted to you in post 46, thread "Contemporary Judaizers" I made this mistake you mention, and I also admitted to the same mistake with RJ, post 110, same thread. I still apologize and admit the mistake, and this should show you it's not intentional.