How Do You Believe in the Rapture & Is There a Partial Rapture?

[GodB4Us]

Share why and how you believe in the pre great tribulation rapture and if you believe there can be no partial rapture.

I believe there is a partial rapture for why God is judging His House first due to the falling away from the faith in these latter days as He is faithful to keep the souls of the saints that shall suffer when left behind. 1 Timothy 4:1; 1 Peter 4:17-19; & Revelation 2:18-25 KJV

I believe it is a partial rapture for why God would excommunicate those saved believers found not abiding in Him & His words as His disciples. 1 Corinthians 5:4-11

I believe unrepentant saints found in iniquity and former believers are still saved even though denied by Him and left behind as castaways for not being ready, because He is faithful for He still abides even in former believers; 2 Timothy 2:10-13 I believe those left behind are the vessels unto dishonor in His House for not departing from iniquity for why they are being damned as vessels unto dishonor but still in His House. 2 Timothy 2:18-21

God will destroy all the works that deny Him & defile that temple of God but they are still saved. 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 KJV

That is why Jesus is warning His disciples to abide in Him or His words or else be cut off; note verse 6 in John 15:1-8 KJV

That is why Jesus is warning saved believers & His disciples to be ready or else in Luke 12:40-49 KJV Do note how He still calls them His servants for how they will get stripes per the measure of knowledge they had for not being ready and lesser stripes per the knowlede they did not have for not being ready.

Note how the foolish virgins were considered part of the kingdom of heaven along with the wise virgins but they missed out on the wedding reception with the Bridegroom when He had come in that kingdom of heaven. Matthew 25:1-13 KJV

Salvation is not of works when those left behind are still saved for being in iniquity. Therefore the race is still run by faith but in Jesus Christ being our Good shepherd to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily for the high prize of our calling to be received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House at the rapture event to avoid becoming a castaway and not just lose the rewards of crowns. Hebrews 12:1-2 & 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 KJV

It is all about sharing your talents of what Jesus has shared wth you. Matthew 25:14-30 KJV

So feel free to share your talents here!! Matthew 10:41-42 KJV

P.S. Click on scripture references and it will pop open another window to Bible Gateway for you to read in the KJV if you wanted to check them with Him for how they apply. to each comment.

 

[Alley Oop]

Share why and how you believe in the pre great tribulation rapture and if you believe there can be no partial rapture.

I believe there is a partial rapture for why God is judging His House first due to the falling away from the faith in these latter days as He is faithful to keep the souls of the saints that shall suffer when left behind. 1 Timothy 4:1; 1 Peter 4:17-19; & Revelation 2:18-25 KJV

I believe it is a partial rapture for why God would excommunicate those saved believers found not abiding in Him & His words as His disciples. 1 Corinthians 5:4-11

I believe unrepentant saints found in iniquity and former believers are still saved even though denied by Him and left behind as castaways for not being ready, because He is faithful for He still abides even in former believers; 2 Timothy 2:10-13 I believe those left behind are the vessels unto dishonor in His House for not departing from iniquity for why they are being damned as vessels unto dishonor but still in His House. 2 Timothy 2:18-21

God will destroy all the works that deny Him & defile that temple of God but they are still saved. 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 KJV

That is why Jesus is warning His disciples to abide in Him or His words or else be cut off; note verse 6 in John 15:1-8 KJV

That is why Jesus is warning saved believers & His disciples to be ready or else in Luke 12:40-49 KJV Do note how He still calls them His servants for how they will get stripes per the measure of knowledge they had for not being ready and lesser stripes per the knowlede they did not have for not being ready.

Note how the foolish virgins were considered part of the kingdom of heaven along with the wise virgins but they missed out on the wedding reception with the Bridegroom when He had come in that kingdom of heaven. Matthew 25:1-13 KJV

Salvation is not of works when those left behind are still saved for being in iniquity. Therefore the race is still run by faith but in Jesus Christ being our Good shepherd to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily for the high prize of our calling to be received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House at the rapture event to avoid becoming a castaway and not just lose the rewards of crowns. Hebrews 12:1-2 & 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 KJV

It is all about sharing your talents of what Jesus has shared wth you. Matthew 25:14-30 KJV

So feel free to share your talents here!! Matthew 10:41-42 KJV

P.S. Click on scripture references and it will pop open another window to Bible Gateway for you to read in the KJV if you wanted to check them with Him for how they apply. to each comment.

most all christians want a third dimensional 'rapture' because they live lives of such misery and defeat, apart from the presence of God, because they live in the flesh, being "more at home in the body" - it's their own fault.
there will be no third dimensional 'rapture', not tonight, next week or next year.
anyone want to bet me $100,000?

 

[GodB4Us]

most all christians want a third dimensional 'rapture' because they live lives of such misery and defeat, apart from the presence of God, because they live in the flesh, being "more at home in the body" - it's their own fault.

How can they be more in home in the body as you claim if they want to depart from this vile body of death & this life to a glorified transformed celestial body in Heaven for when the Bridegroom comes for the abiding bride which requires leaning on Him for help as their personal Good Shepherd for abiding in Him & His words to bear fruit so that their joy may be full?

there will be no third dimensional 'rapture', not tonight, next week or next year.

Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

If the first fruits of the resurrection are the ones worthy to be raptured in being like the angels that never die and never marry, then who are those resurrected after the great tribulation in Revelation 20:1-6 where only the power of the second death will not be over them thus inferring the power of the first death will until after the Great White Throne Judgment for when death is cast into the lake of fire thereby testifying that no one will die a physical death from then on, let alone sin against God to be separated from God ever again? Indeed, after that Great White Throne Judgment, the only thing those raised up after the great tribulation and the generations coming from them will need the tree of life for .. is the healing of the nations.

Revelation 22:1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

So where are the generations coming from in that millennium reign when the first fruits of the pre great tribulation rapture event are not marrying nor given in marriage?

Those that did not depart from iniquity as they are denied by Him in left behind but will be damned as vessels unto dishonor BUT still in His House, vessels of wood & earth in His kingdom on that new earth, that shall serve the King of kings on earth. This is where the generations will come from as they will marry and lead by examples as kings and priests for the 1000 year reign of Christ from all over the world in raising up the generations following them.

If you want scripture for that presentation, then click on the scriptures given to whatever comment in the OP that is towards your inquiry.

anyone want to bet me $100,000?

I do not have $ 100,000 but you always did say to provide scripture for what we say, so how about providing scripture for what you say?

Or at the very least, explain how the scripture references in the OP is applied wrong and what those scriptural references is really talking about.

Thank you ahead of time for your participation.

 

[Alley Oop]

How can they be more in home in the body as you claim if they want to depart from this vile body of death & this life to a glorified transformed celestial body in Heaven for when the Bridegroom comes for the abiding bride which requires leaning on Him for help as their personal Good Shepherd for abiding in Him & His words to bear fruit so that their joy may be full?

Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

If the first fruits of the resurrection are the ones worthy to be raptured in being like the angels that never die and never marry, then who are those resurrected after the great tribulation in Revelation 20:1-6 where only the power of the second death will not be over them thus inferring the power of the first death will until after the Great White Throne Judgment for when death is cast into the lake of fire thereby testifying that no one will die a physical death from then on, let alone sin against God to be separated from God ever again? Indeed, after that Great White Throne Judgment, the only thing those raised up after the great tribulation and the generations coming from them will need the tree of life for .. is the healing of the nations.

Revelation 22:1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

So where are the generations coming from in that millennium reign when the first fruits of the pre great tribulation rapture event are not marrying nor given in marriage?

Those that did not depart from iniquity as they are denied by Him in left behind but will be damned as vessels unto dishonor BUT still in His House, vessels of wood & earth in His kingdom on that new earth, that shall serve the King of kings on earth. This is where the generations will come from as they will marry and lead by examples as kings and priests for the 1000 year reign of Christ from all over the world in raising up the generations following them.

If you want scripture for that presentation, then click on the scriptures given to whatever comment in the OP that is towards your inquiry.

I do not have $ 100,000 but you always did say to provide scripture for what we say, so how about providing scripture for what you say?

Or at the very least, explain how the scripture references in the OP is applied wrong and what those scriptural references is really talking about.

Thank you ahead of time for your participation.

your pie in the sky ideology will secure your position at the morgue

 

[GodB4Us]

your pie in the sky ideology will secure your position at the morgue

Even so... there is still this blessed hope.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? 27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

How do you address & apply these scriptural references towards your comment? Should they not reprove your comment?

 

[joestue]

How do you address & apply these scriptural references towards your comment? Should they not reprove your comment?

you should ask God for the gift of spiritual discernment... it will help you stop feeding the trolls.

 

[B-A-C]

The word "rapture" simply means "catch up" or "gather up".
The three passages generally used to support this are...

1Thes 4:16; For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Thes 4:17; Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

Mark 13:26; "Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory.
Mark 13:27; "And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.

Matt 24:30; "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31; "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

So there is no denying the rapture WILL happen. The question is... when.

 

[GodB4Us]

you should ask God for the gift of spiritual discernment... it will help you stop feeding the trolls.

Jesus told us not to despise but to teach even the little ones that have gone astray. That is what a disciple does in following Jesus Christ.

Matthew 10:42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. 11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

One may never know that down the road, what He has led us to share the seed and the water towards, God may cause the increase later on.

But, I agree that there will be times when the Lord will lead me not to respond, but if I do respond, He may be leading me to provide answers to those reading this thread whether they be outside this forum or within this forum.

Thanks brother, for the word of caution. With His help, I have been applying my faith in Jesus Christ to lead me where He wants me to post and so I go by faith.

 

[GodB4Us]

After we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ, and that is how we had received the promise of the Spirit at our born again of the Spirit moment of our salvation, we are able to run that race in going on to perfection looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin so we can be received by the Bridegroom as that vessel unto honor in His House which is to His glory since all the crowns we receive are really His crowning achievements in us.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

The consequence for not running that race by faith in Jesus Christ is to lose His crowning achievements in us and becoming a castaway as disqualified to attend the Marriage Supper in Heaven but still part of His kingdom of Heaven.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

See that scourging? That means whipping. That means stripes on those left behind as found here below for not being ready to go and yet still His servants for why they are getting stripes.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

That is why those who teach heresy or teach breaking even the least of His commandments, wind up as least in the kingdom of heaven but after that scourging, they will never do it again but still they wind up as the least.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

That is why we are to call every saved believer and even former believers to go before that throne of grace for help from Jesus Christ to see the truth and repent from all iniquities in being ready to go before the Bridegroom comes.

 

[Dave M]

I believe Jesus will not return until the end of the tribulation, because that's what the bible says
Mathew 24
29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days:

‘The sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

the stars will fall from the sky,

and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.b’

30. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d 31. And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

 

[GodB4Us]

I believe Jesus will not return until the end of the tribulation, because that's what the bible says
Mathew 24
29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days:

‘The sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

the stars will fall from the sky,

and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.b’

30. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d 31. And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Thanks for sharing.

Some questions for clarity though.

Do you believe at the end of the tribulation as meaning at the end of the great tribulation?

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

I believe we are in the tribulation now as Jesus said we will have tribulation in the world but I believe the great tribulation begins after the rapture event when a third of the earth gets burned up ( the western hemisphere ) for why the New World Order and the mark of the beast system comes into play in buying and selling for pooling resources and survival for the rest of the world. So after a calamity like that, the NWO would make a peace treaty with Israel since USA is gone and Israel needing assurance that they do not need to launch their nukes and so once the order is given out for Israel to build that third temple is when the great tribulation 7 years countdown starts.

And since at the end of the 7 year great tribulation is when the King of kings comes, then that cannot be the thief in the night event to be ready or else that Jesus warned us about. Indeed, it will be like the days of Noah for what we are living in now where we can buy & sell, marry, and given in marriage rather than what it would be for Christians at the end of the great tribulation for when the beast is waging war on the saints to kill with the sword & hunger and so not such idyllic a times that believers would not be found ready in as they would be now.

His disciples had asked Jesus 3 questions at the beginning of Matthew 24th chapter and Jesus is not answering those 3 questions in order since the first was about when the stones of the Temple would be thrown down that Jesus had mentioned earlier and so wisdom is needed from the Lord to discern His answers to which questions He is talking about.

Anyway, thank you for sharing and please clarify your position if you believe tribulation as you cited was referring to the great tribulation or not. Thank you in advance.

 

[B-A-C]

Do you believe at the end of the tribulation as meaning at the end of the great tribulation?

Matt 24:21; "For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
Matt 24:22; "Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

It says here, this will be the worst "tribulation" that ever occurred, "since the beginning the beginning of the world". How could there be a greater tribulation than that?
Notice the "elect" will still be here.

Mark 13:19; "For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will.
Mark 13:20; "Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days.

A "time of tribulation as has not occurred since the beginning of the world".
Again, the elect are still around on the earth.

Matt 24:29; "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Matt 24:30; "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31; "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Mark 13:24; "But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,
Mark 13:25; AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken.
Mark 13:26; "Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory.
Mark 13:27; "And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Rev 13:7; It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.
The beast will be given power over the Earth for a while.

Rev 9:3; Then out of the smoke came locusts upon the earth, and power was given them, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Rev 9:4; They were told not to hurt the grass of the earth, nor any green thing, nor any tree, but only the men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
Rev 9:5; And they were not permitted to kill anyone, but to torment for five months; and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings a man.

It appears those who "have the seal of God" on their foreheads, will be spared at least some of the plagues of the great tribulation.

 

[B-A-C]

Rev 7:13; Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
Rev 7:14; I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

If the church is raptured before the great tribulation, how can there be people with mark of God on them in the tribulation? How come the days have to "cut short" for the sake of the elect.
How come these people in this verse will "come out of the great tribulation". How can the beast "overcome of saints" if there are no saints left to overcome?

 

[GodB4Us]

Matt 24:21; "For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
Matt 24:22; "Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

It says here, this will be the worst "tribulation" that ever occurred, "since the beginning the beginning of the world". How could there be a greater tribulation than that?
Notice the "elect" will still be here.

Mark 13:19; "For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will.
Mark 13:20; "Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days.

A "time of tribulation as has not occurred since the beginning of the world".
Again, the elect are still around on the earth.

Inquiry; can those verses be applied as shortening the days of the elect before the great tribulation because no life would be saved therefore the shortening of their days is referring to the rapture event before the great tribulation?

I believe there will be unrepentant saints & former believers left behind as not chosen to attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb above but excommunicated as seen in the fall of Babylon in Revelation 18:1-24 KJV

Matt 24:29; "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Matt 24:30; "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31; "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Mark 13:24; "But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,
Mark 13:25; AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken.
Mark 13:26; "Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory.
Mark 13:27; "And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.

I believe His words are not given in the order of chronological event when answering His disciples' questions for why I still see this as applying towards the rapture event before the great tribulation.

If you consider Revelation 20:1-6 KJV as the Lord is coming back with the saints to do battle with the world's armies marching unto Jerusalem as His feet will touch down on earth at the Mount of Olives, but in Revelation 20:1-6 KJV the world's armies is defeated, and Satan is in the pit for a thousand years BEFORE that resurrection of those saints that went through the great tribulation. That means Jesus Christ is not meeting these saints up in the air when He is already on earth for when that supposed first resurrection took place. Indeed, Revelation 20:5 is why they were referring to that resurrection as "first" as this was to happen "first" before the rest of the dead are resurrected at the Great White Throne Judgment; not that this was "THE" first resurrection as if the rapture event had not happened yet before the Great Tribulation began. But some believers read it that way, not noticing why verse 5 was written for & that was for clarification.

Rev 13:7; It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.
The beast will be given power over the Earth for a while.

Rev 9:3; Then out of the smoke came locusts upon the earth, and power was given them, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Rev 9:4; They were told not to hurt the grass of the earth, nor any green thing, nor any tree, but only the men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
Rev 9:5; And they were not permitted to kill anyone, but to torment for five months; and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings a man.

It appears those who "have the seal of God" on their foreheads, will be spared at least some of the plagues of the great tribulation.

I agree that unrepentant saints & former believers that survived the fire that destroys one third of the earth; the western hemisphere thus alive on the other 2/3rds parts of the world, will be spared the plagues of the great tribulation along with any new believers as a result of that everlasting gospel preached after the rapture event to all the world by that first angel before the destruction comes on Babylon & that third of the earth that will set the stage for why the warning to not take the mark of the beast to buy & sell to survive in the coming New World Order or else the lake of fire will come by that third angel. Those 3 angels shall set up the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth as everyone will know the gospel, everyone will know of the fall of USA and the western hemisphere, and every one will know the consequence for taking the mark of the beast which is the lake of fire. Revelation 14:6-13 KJV

 

[GodB4Us]

Rev 7:13; Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
Rev 7:14; I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

If the church is raptured before the great tribulation, how can there be people with mark of God on them in the tribulation? How come the days have to "cut short" for the sake of the elect.
How come these people in this verse will "come out of the great tribulation". How can the beast "overcome of saints" if there are no saints left to overcome?

Here is why saved believers that are not ready, will be left behind.

After we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ, and that is how we had received the promise of the Spirit at our born again of the Spirit moment of our salvation, we are able to run that race in going on to perfection looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin so we can be received by the Bridegroom as that vessel unto honor in His House which is to His glory since all the crowns we receive are really His crowning achievements in us.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

The consequence for not running that race by faith in Jesus Christ is to lose His crowning achievements in us and becoming a castaway as disqualified to attend the Marriage Supper in Heaven but still part of His kingdom of Heaven.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

See that scourging? That means whipping. That means stripes on those left behind as found here below for not being ready to go and yet still His servants for why they are getting stripes.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

That is why those who teach heresy or teach breaking even the least of His commandments, wind up as least in the kingdom of heaven but after that scourging, they will never do it again but still they wind up as the least.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

That is why we are to call every saved believer and even former believers to go before that throne of grace for help from Jesus Christ to see the truth and repent from all iniquities in being ready to go before the Bridegroom comes.

 

[Dave M]

when the King of kings comes, then that cannot be the thief in the night event to be ready or else that Jesus warned us about

this is a verse a lot of people get mixed up , the verse you are referring to is being applied to nonbelievers, believers will not be surprised. In Pauls own word.

Nowhere in the bible does it says Jesus return is imminent, we will know the season. Jesus only comes back one more time.

1 Thessalonians 5:4​

But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-28​

Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness. ..

 

[GodB4Us]

this is a verse a lot of people get mixed up , the verse you are referring to is being applied to nonbelievers, believers will not be surprised. In Pauls own word.

Nowhere in the bible does it says Jesus return is imminent, we will know the season. Jesus only comes back one more time.

1 Thessalonians 5:4​

But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-28​

Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness. ..

Well, when you consider why Paul is informing the believers is because some believers will not be aware, because it is during the time of peace and security is when sudden destruction will come and as Jesus referred to the parable of the fig trees, so is the parable of a woman in travail about to give birth for how everything will increase; wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes... and the likes.

There is no peace and security at the end of the great tribulation when during that whole time, the beast has been waging war on the saints by killing them with the sword and by hunger because they need the mark to buy & sell in order to eat & survive.

So that idyllic time is now for why when we see the parable of the fig tree as everything is increasing like a woman in birth pangs ,,, is why it should not take us by surprise like a thief in the night when we are to be ready to go now.

This is why those saved believers invited are excusing themselves from attending the King's Supper in Heaven because they love their lives and loved ones down here not to leave it. They will hardly do that at the end of the great tribulation.

Luke 14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God. 16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many: 17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready. 18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused. 19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused. 20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come. 21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. 22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. 23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

The snares of the cares of life towards believers is now for why we need to pray for His help not to be overcharged by any commitments and promises and vows to be forgiven & be set free by Him to leave when the Bridegroom comes.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Share why and how you believe in the pre great tribulation rapture and if you believe there can be no partial rapture.

I believe there is a partial rapture for why God is judging His House first due to the falling away from the faith in these latter days as He is faithful to keep the souls of the saints that shall suffer when left behind. 1 Timothy 4:1; 1 Peter 4:17-19; & Revelation 2:18-25 KJV

I believe it is a partial rapture for why God would excommunicate those saved believers found not abiding in Him & His words as His disciples. 1 Corinthians 5:4-11

I believe unrepentant saints found in iniquity and former believers are still saved even though denied by Him and left behind as castaways for not being ready, because He is faithful for He still abides even in former believers; 2 Timothy 2:10-13 I believe those left behind are the vessels unto dishonor in His House for not departing from iniquity for why they are being damned as vessels unto dishonor but still in His House. 2 Timothy 2:18-21

God will destroy all the works that deny Him & defile that temple of God but they are still saved. 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 KJV

That is why Jesus is warning His disciples to abide in Him or His words or else be cut off; note verse 6 in John 15:1-8 KJV

That is why Jesus is warning saved believers & His disciples to be ready or else in Luke 12:40-49 KJV Do note how He still calls them His servants for how they will get stripes per the measure of knowledge they had for not being ready and lesser stripes per the knowlede they did not have for not being ready.

Note how the foolish virgins were considered part of the kingdom of heaven along with the wise virgins but they missed out on the wedding reception with the Bridegroom when He had come in that kingdom of heaven. Matthew 25:1-13 KJV

Salvation is not of works when those left behind are still saved for being in iniquity. Therefore the race is still run by faith but in Jesus Christ being our Good shepherd to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily for the high prize of our calling to be received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House at the rapture event to avoid becoming a castaway and not just lose the rewards of crowns. Hebrews 12:1-2 & 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 KJV

It is all about sharing your talents of what Jesus has shared wth you. Matthew 25:14-30 KJV


P.S. Click on scripture references and it will pop open another window to Bible Gateway for you to read in the KJV if you wanted to check them with Him for how they apply. to each comment.

What do you mean by "partial rapture"? Are you saying that God may bring His bride only part way home? Then we have to walk the rest of the way?

 

[GodB4Us]

What do you mean by "partial rapture"? Are you saying that God may bring His bride only part way home? Then we have to walk the rest of the way?

Partial rapture means not every saved believer will be ready to go when the Bridegroom comes for why Jesus is warning believers to be ready or else be cast away like He warned this church in Revelation 2:18-25 KJV

Those abiding in Him and His words as His disciples ( John 15:1-8 KJV & Luke 12:40-49 KJV ) as well as praying to Him for help to be willing to go, ( Luke 21:33-36 KJV & Luke 14:15-24 KJV ) will be taken by the Bridegroom.

Those left behind saints that did not depart from iniquity as well as former believers, shall die, but their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven awaiting for their resurrection after the great tribulation. 2 Corinthians 5:7-11 KJV

There are scriptural references at Bible Gateway to back up and explain the comments in the OP.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Partial rapture means not every saved believer will be ready to go when the Bridegroom comes for why Jesus is warning believers to be ready or else be cast away like He warned this church in Revelation 2:18-25 KJV

Those abiding in Him and His words as His disciples ( John 15:1-8 KJV & Luke 12:40-49 KJV ) as well as praying to Him for help to be willing to go, ( Luke 21:33-36 KJV & Luke 14:15-24 KJV ) will be taken by the Bridegroom.

Those left behind saints that did not depart from iniquity as well as former believers, shall die, but their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven awaiting for their resurrection after the great tribulation. 2 Corinthians 5:7-11 KJV

There are scriptural references at Bible Gateway to back up and explain the comments in the OP.

Ok I believe that the bride comes out of the church...Those virgins who have prepared themselves and are READY will be caught up and those who are not ready will be gathered together at the end of the tribulation period....Actually "Partial Rapture" is not even in the Bible....The bride is caught up...Not the entire church... The bible does not say the entire church is to be caught up