John writes, "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God,and the word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was not made by him. Jn.1:1-3."
Rose Red,
There are some interesting observations in this passage. Later in v14 we see that this person,the Word, is that one who became "flesh", our Lord Jesus Christ, that same one who in the posts above is rightly named "I Am". 1st, here, he is declared to be with God. 2nd,he is declared to be God. 3rd, he has a relation in the beginning "with" (with in the sense of face to face relationship) God. 4th, All things that are made were made by him. All 4 of these declarations have a time reference in this text that attaches them to the absolute beginnings of made things. And this is most interesting. Notice in these verses the simple past tence of the verb: To be: "was". First: In the beginning-not is but-was the Word. Before anything that was made, or when the beginning began, arready existing (past tence)was the Word. Second:This Word allready pre-existed, "was", in face to face relationship with God. Third, this person, the one who in v14 becomes incarnate, pre-existed, "was" God, as God. And in v.2, this person to person relationship pre-existed the beginning, "was". And in v3. it is this Word who made all made things. Therefore, God was not made. However, in regards to the incarnation, the being made, or becomming a man in order to save us by his death on the cross, in verse 14, we see the aready pre-existing Word was made flesh, ie became a man the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world.
When the eternal Word, the eternal Son, became man, the person who he was pre-existed the beginning; but being made flesh the person who is the Lord Jesus Christ is that very person. And as the scriptures say, "God was manafested in the flesh." This is a very important truth, because as such he alone could truly suffer eternal wrath in our place and truly remove the penilty of our sins. It takes an eternal person to equitably suffer an eternal wrath.
hope this helps some, let me know: there is so much more of this...DGB