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I don't understand christianity anymore Pentecost is not the cerebration of the coming of the Holy Spirit & The Passover meaning is always changing

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And it seems no one notice these things, it is Like someone is leading the blind in broad daylight. Telling then turn here, they say ok, Stop here, they say ok. it is getting very very strange, can anyone see, what is happening, "the blind is leading the blind" This is the darkest I have ever seen it, Even much darker than the "enlighten year" writers wrote when men and women were more "Theological sound" in the "enlighten years "teenage" girls were more theological sound than the average church leaders we have today.

What is the Enlightenment period in theology?
The Enlightenment is generally identified as the period from roughly 1600 to 1800, during which major develop- ments in scientific, philosophical, political, and religious culture transformed European society.

There was a time:
"That is why, in the Middle Ages, Theology was called “The queen of the sciences” and philosophy “her handmaiden.” Today the queen has been deposed from her throne and, in many cases, driven into exile, and a supplanter now reigns. We have replaced theology with religion."

Who said philosophy is the handmaiden of theology?
Philosophy reigned supreme until Christian times when the theologian Clement of Alexandria (150–215? AD) demoted philosophy from the “queen” of the sciences to the “handmaid of theology”.

"Thomas Aquinas described theology as the queen of science in his great work "Summa Theologica written between 1265 and 1274." He made this observation from his own perspective and worldview and his epistemology differs to a large extent from the paradigms we have today."

Now days we must explain every little common thing that was learned when we were children, even the baby boomers were taught some of these things. Once, when we had "Real Theologians" I do not know what we may call these people today who call themselves "theologians" and what these "religious Schools are turning out, even Atheist are Leading and heading these "Theological Universities" and teaching coming religious "Pastors" and ministers of all kinds of genders and all kinds of respective, in the name of Jesus, claiming that Jesus is The Christ. and The Whole world is like "The 300 Soldiers" at "Gideon's Pond" drinking water. Even The word "Web does not mean web any more" and the word "net does not mean net anymore"

The world is just not the world any more as one knew it. And know wonder our own children children and children born 40 years after 1950, have do idea of communication of those Born in early 1950's, So a child born to a person who was born between 1950 and 1952. are on two different planets! There is no communication and word define. When our parents told us to wash the dishes, it meant, "take out the garbage, sweep the floor, dry the dishes clean the counters off, and put the dishes away. Now, when they tell you to wash the dishes, This what you do, now when you wash the dishes:

Now in todays , language, you tell your child to wash the dishes; and they do not clean the table off, nor wipe the stove off and refrigerator off, or dry the dishes and put them alway or sweep the floor. and you can forget about taking the garbage out. and they will not pick any stay paper off the floor and if a dish towel happens to drop on the floor they just kick it aside and keep moving. and if you question them, they get mad! they do not fed the chickens, the hogs, plant cotton, and open the gate for the cows, and sweep the horse manure out of the horse stall, or run water in the "trough":eyes: and you have to sleep with one eye open. and ain't no way in the world I would have a gun in my house. they go to the SPA, you pay for and lift weights and take up "kick Boxing" and buy coffee at "STARBUCKS". and better not raise your voice at them. you got to show love, if not they might sue you and put your on "YouTube"!:sob:
The little boy on the commercial ask his father "Whats a paper boy". , Today Most Christian do not even know what a "BIBLE' is and the Difference between a "Bible and "The WORD of GOD" or What is "The Orginal Copied Manuscript" it will start a fight. not even a "Debate" how we once were taught how to do, in grammar school. EVEN that Life, is a "Debate". and playing Chess is proper.

Moving on.

For people do not even know how to read "Poetry" especially many religious people, any more:

The Bible is out line like this:

"The Preparation" := The O.T.
"The Manifestation" := The Gospels
"The Propagation" := The Acts of the Apostles
"The Explanations" := The Epistles
"The Consummation" := The Revelation

Then:
THE LAW
Genesis
Exodus
Levitcus
Deuteronomy

HISTORY
Joshua
judges
Ruth
1 and 2 Samuel
1 and 2 Kings
1 and 2 Chronicles
Ezra
Nehemiah
Esther

POETRY AND WISDOM
Job
Psalms
Proverbs
Ecclesiastes
Songs of Solomon

PROPHECY
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Lamentations
Ezekiel
Daniel
Hosea
Joel
Amos
Obadiah
Jonah
Micah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi

And that is how I started to read my 1st. Bible in that order, "NSRB" copyright 1967 from Page one I did not start reading My bible at page "1 Genesis",I start reading my Bible at 2 pages, before "The table of Contents, then at "Roman numerals V-XVI" then page 1 "The Beginning which also had a "introduction to the Book, I was about to read, the date The Who would be author, and what the book was going to be about. Then "in The beginning God Created...ff.":) and that is how I begin to read my bible about 7 times straight through. every time the same way, learning what all these words mean. it was a slow process and the church laugh at me, and the Ministers, and I cried , because I was dumb as a rock, I had to look up the words of the introduction pages even before I got to the text. I Had to relearn every thing, I had to even bring out my old high school 12 grade English book. I had to learn what poetry was again at 26 years old.

All of the Metaphors again both "Secular and Biblical", and I found out, that there is The "Biblical and there is the secular meanings. and there is the "Archaic' and the "Etymology" "Webster was not enough, The Collegiate was not enough, The Unabridged was not enough, Unger's was not enough, 1828 Websters was not enough, Pictorial was not enough, "ISBE" was not enough, "Vine's" was not enough, "brown's diver Briggs Hebrew English was not enough, Thayer's Greek and English was not enough always going out deeper and deeper and deeper. LORD where is the Bottom! They laugh at me my wife hated me, they said ever where, all you do is read. you read, you read, and most people could not even read the materials I was reading, they would say you read this stuff, By!!!:sob::sob: and some of my writings people could not believe I wrote like that. And I had not paid attention that I had "Evolved" and all of my associates where or had "PhD's" in Music, Physics, Mathematics, Chemistry, Computer Science, Heart Surgeons, Dentists, College Professors, Presidents, and Vice Presidents Of large Corporations, And "millionaires" and I never notices or paid attention, Until my mother and other neighborhood friends I revisited, Spoke to me, and said you are still the same person and we thought you had change. we thought that you thought that you was better than us, but you have not change.

They stop by the house during the day, midday, I would cook something right quick, or have a good brew of coffee or met over my parents house. always nothing fancy like our wives, touch football at the park play Golf, meet up in the Rockies and snow ski, chip in no more than 200.00 for 7 days. but to get there was on you. Never cost big money, but those wives. nothing but "gossipers and vacation travelers all over the world. "my house is bigger than yours" mentality non stop! "name it and claim it in the name of JESUS" and don't read no bible whatsoever, but fake it!:sob:

I never notice, there were no Big I's and little U's in my mind or thought pattens of who they where, my wife even told me, you threat me just like a regular person, and everyone else treat me different. " [Queen of Sheba"]. I wouldn't care if the president of the USA walked in the room, he cannot excite me. he is no different than a man! and I do not have to think about it. men do not impress me neither do women. no one, You see, I met "JESUS in 1977" and not His representative. end of story.
I do not even call a minister, "pastor or Reverend. all of the men of the cloth ain't nothing but a brother. I do not call them Dr. Rev. Pastor. and they better not challenge me. if they think of me "calling them "brother" is belittle them, I am going burst their Bubble without saying one word, even The catholic's that wears a collar, 'Hi, my brother in Christ" and the Protestants clergy is nothing but a brother in Christ and nothing more. "I have read The BOOK!

So, no one impresses me, No one But JESUS! My True Brother in Christ that is a bum on the streets of New York is more important to me than all of "Presidents and millionaires throughout the Whole wide world and I have more respect for the "Welfare Recipient' than I have for any pastor or Preacher, millionaire, CEO, praise leader than all the Podiums in This world. I rather have grandma, that cannot spell or read who knows Jesus, and talks to him every day and don't ask for cars, houses, vacation trips and making the "Dean's list pray for me, to talk to God about me than a host of "GENIE lamp rubbers":eyes: I grew up with old grandmothers in the church and the neighborhood, and in my family and they all have talked to me and I listen, that does not mean that I obeyed them, but I listen, patiently, and as they said, just wait and "Father Time" is going to be waiting on you. he ain't going no where,

Father Time said to me in my youth: "Playboy your Mama, sent me, and she told me, to tell you, to come Home" and I know her voice, and the way she talks. you see, see trained me with "Switch and a belt":laughing:

King James Bible
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

NASB 1977
He who spares his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him [early] diligently.

The difference in "the Love of GOD and The love of the World" it is not the same kind of Love, they are opposites "God's love is what the whole world hates. the worlds kind of love, GOD hates"

Proverbs 23

13Do not withhold discipline from a child;
if you punish them with the rod, they will not die.
14Punish them with the rod
and save them from death.

Proverbs 22:15

Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him. {but the god of this world says talk to them] and do not whip him.} show him love the kind I have taught you in my kingdom] do not hurt him or her.


Parents of old, use to tell the police, I am going to whip him, because if I don't, you are going to kill him! and if I don't whip him, he might kill you!:pensive: Now that is what you call small letters,"the truth'. Revealed By "THE TRUTH" which is "The WORD of GOD" and The other Crown he wears is "JESUS The SON of GOD, The Bright and MORNING STAR, "The SALVATION of GOD". "THE LORD of All LORDS," "KING of All KINGS", "The Prince of PEACE"

For the devil is ruling this world big time, But the Lord is coming and He will be carrying a "IRON ROD" and he will be using it. and No body cannot stop Him! You might try, but mothers fathers and community leaders you will not prevail. Not in "THE Millennium Kingdom" which is "The Kingdom of GOD" for His Kingdom will have finally Come. "Thy Kingdom has Finally Come" and Thy will will be DONE" on earth as it is in Heaven.:)

And the pagan King, Nebuchadnezzar acknowledge
and said these words.

American Standard Version
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
 
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DANIEL 4

34And at the end of the days I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the Most High, and I praised and honored him that liveth for ever; for his dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom from generation to generation.

35And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

36At the same time mine understanding returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, my majesty and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent greatness was added unto me. 37Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and extol and honor the King of heaven; for all his works are truth, and his ways justice; and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.
 
Daniel 12:8 I heard, but I did not understand. Then I said, “O my lord, what shall be the outcome of these things?”
12:9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.
12:10 Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be refined, but the wicked shall act wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but those who are wise shall understand.
 
2Tim 3:12 Yea, and all that would live godly in Christ Jesus shall be persecuted.
13 But evil men and impostors shall wax worse, deceiving and being deceived.
14 But thou, abide in what things thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of what persons thou hast learned;
 

Pentecost is not the cerebration of the coming of the Holy Spirit​


That is a part of it. Not everyone agrees of course. What else is new. It comes from the Old Testament Shavuot ( Feast of weeks ).
Of course in the old Testament the Holy Spirit was not yet given to the church as a whole. So it was to celebrate the Passover.
Wikipedia as usual gets a lot of this wrong, and leaves out a lot of obvious things.

The Feast of Weeks ( Shavuot ) lasted 7 weeks, or 49 days. The passover celebration of course goes back to the "passover"
of the angel of death, upon seeing the blood on the door frame of the houses. ( Exod 12:13-14; )

Back in Old Testament times, this was celebrated....

Exod 12:18; 'In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening.

Numb 9:4; So Moses told the sons of Israel to observe the Passover.
Numb 9:5; They observed the Passover in the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, at twilight, in the wilderness of Sinai; according to all that the LORD had commanded Moses, so the sons of Israel did.

Rosh Hashana "New years day" for the Hebrews. Usually around the end of Sept or beginning of October. But for some reason modern society celebrates Easter usually in April ( it can be late March )

If we move to the New testament.... Jesus was crucified on the first day of Passover.
( Mark 14:12; John 18:39; John 19:14; ). He was of course in the tomb for 3 days.
After that, He walked the Earth and appeared to people for 40 days. Acts 1:3;

The Jesus told the disciples to wait.. (tarry) for the Holy Spirit. Luke 24:49; Acts 1:8-12;
So they eventually waited in the upper room. This must have been about 7 days later. 3 days in tomb + 40 days walking around + 7 days = 50 days. Pente = 50.
Acts 1:12; says it was about a half-day journey, so 7 days makes sense.

In the Old Testament, the doorpost was covered by 'the blood of the Lamb' as part of the passover. This wasn't just done once in Egypt, it was done yearly.. up until Jesus's time.
It is significant that again in the New Testament, the passover begins with us being covered by 'the blood of the Lamb'. ( A different kind of lamb ) a perfect Lamb ( Exod 12:5; Luke 22:7; John 1:29; 1Pet 1:19; )

So it's partly celebration of the Holy Spirit being given to the church, ( John 16:7; John 7:39; ) but it also celebration of us being covered by the blood. Mark 14:24; Luke 22:20; 1Cor 11:25; )
 
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For over 46 years for me as I have read the book it will always be for me, clean and simple and nothing to argue about, with no debates;
King James Bible
And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt."

And I do know how it is Celebrated. and the food as eaten and why those elements are used and why God explain why these are what you are to eat to celebrate the events.:pensive: and it is personal to me with my own humble and limited of great understanding. For I just read the entire Book that is how I come to by own believeth. and I never ask the question what is the "passover" I never even look it up. but I have heard people take bits and pieces. but I just kept it moving. I Know What "THE PASSOVER" is and I know what they are suppose to eat and why from reading the whole Book as a whole. and never thought much of it "It was to me nothing but a "type and shadow" of what was to come to be. and I understood "The Jesus The Lamb" and many times in my younger years I added it to my night time prayers concerning my home and family, "when I see the Blood on your Door post of your heart I will "PassOver" you. a Symbolic prayer of "Biblical imagery" of an event in Biblical History it was "pictured, " when we where young minsters we did a lot of things and created a lot of Wordings, with in the young minster groups.


But the year is 2023 and every christian has their own religious believes. Their very own personal christianity and definitions of every thing about christianity and I fully understand and I have do argument with any., :pensive:

Waggles has righty quoted in post #4, we are worst than ever, than we have ever been, since salvation have worked the earth, and it is not a lie in the "TRUTH".​

13 But evil men and impostors shall wax worse, deceiving and being deceived.

And that was record in a letter in the year, "A.D. 67" and it is the year 2023. and since then men, have wax worse and deceiving and being deceived,

things have gotten worst than better.:pensive: across the whole board. even falling away from believing in The Bible and The Ways of God, and Jesus Christ, and The God the Father, and The Holy Spirit. and follow more into the ways of the devil and the ways of the World and the ways of the flesh. and all of these things are clearly seen as "Prophesy" have declared.:pensive:


For The Church has become a GOD, and we worship the creation more than we Do the Creator. and the world cannot see this. Because Men love darkness rather than Light" and for grace are we saved, and where Sin abounds grace abounds that much more":pensive:

All of this has be foretold and The Spirit of TRUTH, will show us "the things to come".

NASB 1977 John 16:13
“But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons,:pensive:
 
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