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'' ,,, for the LORD seeth not as man seeth;
for man looketh on the outward appearance,
but the LORD looketh on the heart.'
(1Samuel 16:7b)
Hello @dawwow,
Only God can truly know what is in men's hearts, and know the sincerity of their words and actions. Thankfully we are told that God knows those that are His: so if the person you have in mind approached God, through the Lord Jesus Christ, and sincerely sought forgiveness of sins, on the basis of faith in the all-sufficient sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son, on their behalf, then he would have received it.
'All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me;
and him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.'
( Joh 6:37 )
In the name of Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified,
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris
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'For God so loved the world,
that H gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish,
but have everlasting life.
For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through Him might be saved.
He that believeth on Him is not condemned:
but He that believeth not is condemned already,
because He hath not believed
in the name of the only begotten Son of God.'
(John 3:16-18)
Read John's gospel and the letter to the Romans, and become acquainted with all that God has achieved, in and through the person and work of His beloved Son for you, and believe it. For God means what He says and says what He means: and if God has begun a work in the person you refer to, then He will continue to do it until the day of Christ. For he is God's workmanship.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
that H gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish,
but have everlasting life.
For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through Him might be saved.
He that believeth on Him is not condemned:
but He that believeth not is condemned already,
because He hath not believed
in the name of the only begotten Son of God.'
(John 3:16-18)
Read John's gospel and the letter to the Romans, and become acquainted with all that God has achieved, in and through the person and work of His beloved Son for you, and believe it. For God means what He says and says what He means: and if God has begun a work in the person you refer to, then He will continue to do it until the day of Christ. For he is God's workmanship.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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God convicts people of their SIN, and of Judgement. Under CONVICTION OF SIN, it's POSSIBLE for one to REPENT OF THEIR SIN, and cry out to God in FAITH (Gifted by Him) for salvation.
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I testify Abt a drunk man that came to a tent revival and stood up and called the preacher a devil...preacher said and God says! and God says, and God says, your gonna dance.
That man's body started dancing and God laid him out on the floor. When he came up off the floor he was sober and a changed man. He never drank a drop after that. Was he saved? Yes, God saved him.
I can only testify to what I have seen, heard, and felt.
All praise glory and honor be unto God.
That man's body started dancing and God laid him out on the floor. When he came up off the floor he was sober and a changed man. He never drank a drop after that. Was he saved? Yes, God saved him.
I can only testify to what I have seen, heard, and felt.
All praise glory and honor be unto God.
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The commandment of Peter - to repent and be baptized in the Name Of The Lord Yahoshua, The Anointing
this is truly a special and glorious shewing or demonstration of faith, wherein a new believer in the Lord will take part in the ceremonial union with Yahashua, we are baptized in his name to signify that we are in him, in the baptism we are taken under the water and raised up again to represent the death - burial - resurrection of him, it is something that we want to do because Yahashua made this as an important commandment for believers to outwardly express their faith and acceptance to be in him.
we do see that a baby or a child has no understanding of repentance - AND The Bible never commands to baptize the un - repentant, the Catholic theory about babies being guilty is simply not reality, a baby has nothing to repent or change in order to be saved, they do not even know who and know nothing about Yahashua, The Anointing nor about the Spirit of the Holy from which he originated.
Would this be like going around the corner and dragging a sleeping man who is passed out and unable to awake, taking him to the priest and baptizing him while He is sleeping and he never knows anything about it and heads he then back down the road of sin, never knowing the gospel nor that He is sinning ? and the Catholics everywhere are satisfied that the sleeping man has been completely baptized as they chase Him down saying gaga goo goo - peek a boo, a million time, over and over and over.
The man would not know what they were saying or what it meant. Sometimes even when people have the most sincere and dedicated of hearts with the best intentions, it can be frustrating trying to explain things about the Bible when they are taught by their spiritual fathers - to lower the level of understanding and the scriptures to such a state.
being unlearned and disengaging from the truth of Gods word becomes the SELF God they serve while ignoring the true god and his message.
this is truly a special and glorious shewing or demonstration of faith, wherein a new believer in the Lord will take part in the ceremonial union with Yahashua, we are baptized in his name to signify that we are in him, in the baptism we are taken under the water and raised up again to represent the death - burial - resurrection of him, it is something that we want to do because Yahashua made this as an important commandment for believers to outwardly express their faith and acceptance to be in him.
we do see that a baby or a child has no understanding of repentance - AND The Bible never commands to baptize the un - repentant, the Catholic theory about babies being guilty is simply not reality, a baby has nothing to repent or change in order to be saved, they do not even know who and know nothing about Yahashua, The Anointing nor about the Spirit of the Holy from which he originated.
Would this be like going around the corner and dragging a sleeping man who is passed out and unable to awake, taking him to the priest and baptizing him while He is sleeping and he never knows anything about it and heads he then back down the road of sin, never knowing the gospel nor that He is sinning ? and the Catholics everywhere are satisfied that the sleeping man has been completely baptized as they chase Him down saying gaga goo goo - peek a boo, a million time, over and over and over.
The man would not know what they were saying or what it meant. Sometimes even when people have the most sincere and dedicated of hearts with the best intentions, it can be frustrating trying to explain things about the Bible when they are taught by their spiritual fathers - to lower the level of understanding and the scriptures to such a state.
being unlearned and disengaging from the truth of Gods word becomes the SELF God they serve while ignoring the true god and his message.
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Hi Bob, sorry to nitpick, but do you have a scripture for the first part of your statement?
I don't believe we need God to make a special effort with regards to convicting us of sin. He has by design gifted us each with a conscience.
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No, to the first part.
It is not accepting God that gets one saved. We do not save ourselves. We repent Psalm 51:17, God judges heart and mind Jer 17:9-12, If we 'pass', He then draws near to us James 4:8 and gives us 'saving faith' Rom 12:3 / a revelation that a man who walked the earth 2,000 years ago is in fact our Messiah / Lord / God of the universe Matt 16:16-17, 1 Cor 12:3 and Isa 9:6.
Calling Jesus 'Lord' is evidence of being saved.
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'Nevertheless I tell you the truth;
It is expedient for you that I go away:
for if I go not away,
the Comforter will not come unto you;
but if I depart, I will send Him unto you.
.. And when He is come,
.... He will reprove the world of sin,
...... and of righteousness,
........ and of judgment:
Of sin, because they believe not on Me;
.. Of righteousness, because I go to My Father, and ye see Me no more;
.... Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.'
(Joh 16:7-11)
Hello @KingJ & @Bob Carabbio,
Are the verses above what you are looking for (John 16:7-11)? This is spoken by the Lord to His disciples concerning the work of the Holy Spirit of course, Who would be sent following the death, resurrection and ascension of our Lord Jesus Christ as promised.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Sure John 16:8, and Eph 2,8,9. your "Concience" doesn't mean SPIT because it can be trained, and social "Morals" are meaningless, since they change with the social majority opinion.
Conviction of SIN by the holy spirit is the only way a person can really repent, and saving FAITH is gifted by God, so you can get in.
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That the Holy Spirit does convict us of sin does not mean He is needed to convict us of it. Mankind was convicted of sin long before the Holy Spirit came in the NT Gen 3:7.
Do you have a scripture for that. I would say that is an absolutely false statement.
Moses, Abraham, Job and all OT prophets had no Holy Spirit convicting them of sin.
Agreed. God gifts this to the whomsoever repent of their sins.
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Psalm 51:17, a contrite and broken heart and spirit is something we are all capable of. Holy spirit or no Holy Spirit.
See, your view leads toward one suggesting God is partial. We in the NT are favored over those in the old. God is 100% impartial Rom 2:11, Acts 10:34. Partiality is wicked. God is righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17.
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The verse you quoted speaks to the Holy Spirit convicting us of sin. Bob said 'God convicts us of sin'. There is no scripture that says 'God, as in God the Father' convicts us of sin. Only 'God, the Holy Spirit'.
Isolating that verse and teaching that without the Holy Spirit we cannot be convicted of sin is error. As explained in my post above.
However, it can be argued that God, the Father does in fact convict us of sin as He created all that exists. He started convicting mankind of sin the second they ate the forbidden fruit. But, we then need to state that and not quote the passage you have in isolation. As it suggests that only in the NT can we 'truly' be convicted of sin.
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Your basic error in all this would be to believe that the Holy Spirit DIDN'T move on people in the OLD TESTAMENT.
The difference in the NEW Testament is that NOW the Holy SPirit INDWELLS Christians, instead of coming upon them externally as He did in the OLD Testament.
Jesus states this at: John 14:17
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It is good to hear you quote that verse and clarify. As I said in my first post I was nitpicking. Calvinists quote your original verse and teach that God specially selects some to convict.
The fact that you have explained that your belief is not that but rather that the Holy Spirit was also used OT, I can agree.
I would not say I completely agree. There is a Rom 14:5 type disagreement I still have with you here, not worth arguing over it.
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Drunkenness is a sin condemned in the bible, so is drug abuse, aka sorcery/pharmakeia. You gotta be sober to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, it's a conscious decision.
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Calvies have some stuff accurate, but apply their OWN PARADIGMS, and their OWN DEFINITIONS of common terms. But in the final analysis, "Calvinism" is "Only theology" so no big deal.
Personally, I'm a "free range Charismatic, Non-systematic, Calvy leaning, non-denominational Christian", who's been a member in good standing (but not defined by) the Assemblies of God denomination for most of the last 60 years. I find their "Package" acceptable as far as the important stuff goes, and their Missionary activities are second to none.
