If you can help me with this, I'd appreciate it.

[Faithful Son]

May the Lord my God Jesus Christ lift you up and replenish your mind, body and soul, may the Holy Father meet all your needs and may the Holy Spirit welcome you in His love and kindness, may He minister to your heart and etch the Gospel in your mind, forever and always. Be blessed talkjesus, thank you for allowing me join the forums and thank you for being an example to the world! This question is the reason I joined talkjesus and it won't be the only reason I choose to stay.

 

[sunshine307]

Hi teraside
Is it Melchizedek you are looking for? If so he is found in the Old Testament in Genesis 14, and in the New Testament in Hebrews chapters 5,6 and 7.

 

[Faithful Son]

Thanks sunshine307, I'll take a look tonight, I think that's exactly it. I am specifically looking for the part where the first born is less than the angels etc. I know
Hebrews talks about Jesus being less than the angels, I'll check and see if I can find it tonight, otherwise I'll post a reply tomorrow.

 

[sunshine307]

No problem teraside. If you have any questions feel free to ask. There is always someone who will have an answer for you.

 

[sebi]

Thanks sunshine307, I'll take a look tonight, I think that's exactly it. I am specifically looking for the part where the first born is less than the angels etc. I know
Hebrews 1 talks about Jesus being less than the angels, but there's more information such as God being one, the southwind etc. I'll check and see if I can find it tonight, otherwise I'll post a reply tomorrow.

The Lord Jesus being less than angels, meaning inferiour to them?mg:
I don't think you found that in the Bible

 

[Faithful Son]

I think the word "less" was wrongly used on my part, but the fact is Hebrews 2 verse 7 and 9 says Jesus was made lower than the Angels.

Verse 7:
Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands.

Verse 9:
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

I apologise if I offended you, but God, Jesus is the ultimate role model of surrenduring self for the greater good of all, explicitly everything that God the Father commands. Angels are "higher" than people, God is most high.

Be all, end all, God is in control.

 

[sunshine307]

You didn't offend anyone teraside. It can be hard finding words in English when you are a different nationality. Some of us who do have English as our main language have difficulty enough at times. We need to be aware of this when reading posts.

 

[sebi]

Oh yeah, i understand now...
...but verse 7 speaks about men in general, not Jesus, and verse 9 refers to Jesus’ human nature.
sorry about that teradise

 

[Faithful Son]

Just shows how I "skip" read, I actually had to read verse 7 twice to see that the Bible is speaking about man. Thanks for pointing that out Sebi. I could be totally lost in searching for this passage, I asked my pastor about it and he said he never heard of such a thing, I am absolutely one hundred percent sure I read it though. Why would it be in my thoughts and mind, even dreams if it was my imagination?

 

[Faithful Son]

I read the entire book of Hebrews last night. I did not find anything that comes even close to what I'm talking about above. I think I am getting confused with different scriptures. I will edit the first post to stop any confusion from occuring, since it's not part of the word of God.

Thank you for your support in helping me with this matter. I guess I have a tendency to read past the word and what it is actually saying.

 

[Gideon]

Teraside,
Are you looking for psalm 8:4,5 "What is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of man that you may visit him?
For You have made him a little lower than the angels,
And You have crowned him with glory and honor. "

Some versions say lower than God.

But here it is talking about man in general. Not about Jesus. Jesus is not lower than angels but was made a little lower than the angels when He came to earth to die for human race. Like somebody (sebi) pointed it out already, it is speaking of the Jesus as a man when He walked the face of the earth. I haven't read your first post, since you edited it, so i don't know what was your question.
There are cults like Jehovah's witnesses and chritadelphians who confuse with the wrong doctrine that Jesus is lower than an angel or only at par with angels... don't know exactly what they say.
Anyway Jesus is God Himself and before Him all the angels and all the elders lay prostrate and worship.... "You alone are worthy.... the Lamb who was slain".

 

[Faithful Son]

Thanks for the reply Gideon, like I said in my previous post, I think I read more than one scripture and connected it all in my mind. Hebrews 1 is actually where I read that Jesus was made lower than the angels. I understand that Jesus is God and He is almighty and not on par with angels. God created angels, so there's no doubt in my mind about God being superior to them. I'm not a Johovas witness. LOL (not implying that you said I was one). I think I read a few scriptures and mixed them all together, which is a very dangerous thing to do, that's why I decided to edit my first post. Could you please explain this to me though:

Hebrews 1 verse 6. And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, "AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM."

I read the afrikaans old translation, it's similiar to the King James version. It is the first translation from Hebrews to afrikaans. I copied this verse from biblegateway.org from the New American Standard Bible, the King James version shows a different verse than my Bible and the NASB
My original question had reference to this verse, I was lead to believe by "the different scriptures" that Jesus would be born again (physically)
The verse I gave above is the same in my Bible and the NASB. It leads me to believe that Jesus will be born "again", my Bible says the same word "again".
Am I missunderstanding the verse?
Thanks Gideon.

 

[Gideon]

hey teraside,,

You are doing close scrutiny man!! If you are using NASB (i hope the old version of NASB, not the updated) I will say it is my personal favorite. Not that the other versions are inferior, but I like this language. I also use NKJV.

anyway, the answer to your question is .... In my Bible (NASB) in the margin, the 'again' part is implied as it should be coming as ..." And again when He brings the first born....."

WHat I understand is God is speaking that Jesus is exalted above the angels and God is making different points on that..
1. For to which angel did He ever say " You are My Son.....

2. And again: " I will be to Him a Father, And He shall.....

3. And again, when He brings the firstborn into the world....." I will be a Father to Him.....

I hope the way I wrote is self explanatory. The word 'again' is used only to emphasis each point that speaks of Jesus exalted above the angels and He being God's Son.

1st point.... And again,... 2nd point. And again,.... 3rd point. You understand??

But it is confusing when it comes like ..." And when He again brings...". I hope I am explaining it right.
But even if 'again' comes after 'He' it never means that Jesus will be born physically into this world a second time. There are intepretations that 'again' refers to the Second Coming. Even that view is ok, as it does not contradict any other scripture coz when He again comes.... that is in His second coming on the clouds....He will still be worshipped by the angels.

But in either way, it will never mean, Jesus will have a second physical birth.

By the way, the word firstborn shows the preeminence or superiority to the creation.

I hope I made it clear teraside.
God bless you!

 

[Faithful Son]

You made it clear, thanks Gideon. I think I understand it now, I felt quite shy to post this thread in the first place, but it is under the Study the Word of God section, so I am studying it you know. The problem is I understand that again is used to show the reoccurence of something, but in my Bible it actually says directly translated into English: "And when He brings the firstborn into the world again". So this is a direct comment, when the firstborn is brought into the world again.... This could defintiely mean the second coming aswell. I'm not saying I believe Jesus will be born again (physically), but as a Christian I tend to take the Bible literally.

I don't exactly understand this part you said:
By the way, the word firstborn shows the preeminence or superiority to the creation

So the word firstborn is not only the fact that Jesus was Mary's first child, but also that Jesus is the Creator? Do I understand it correctly, sorry I can understand English, but it's not my first language

 

[Gideon]

Yeah.... teraside....
Jesus is the firstborn means.... It is through Him and by Him all things were created. That He is superior to any creation and is the Son of God.

And teraside, it is ok to ask questions.... or better to say, it is a good thing to ask questions. It only shows your willingness to know. You can ask any question here in Talk Jesus. And we will all help each other.

God will honour you.