Is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit also revelation 22 18-19?

[Andrew1999]

Here is a video that goes into depth about what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit truly is. In the video revelation 22 18-19 is not mentioned. So therefore it’s not blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Those verses in revelation concern me and give me anxiety. So that means I haven’t truly committed it?

 

[Bethel]

This is the ETERNAL sin of Christ rejection, = DIED, having never been born again.

Here is how you commit it.

John 3:36

 

[Waggles]

what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit truly is

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is to apportion the works and manifestations of the Holy Spirit as being from satan and evil.
Many non-Pentecostal denominations openly accuse Pentecostal faith and doctrine such as speaking in tongues as demonic.
This public declaration that the gospel of salvation is false and demonic will bring about the judgement of condemnation.

Mar 3:29 but whoso shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath not forgiveness unto the age, but is guilty of an eternal sin:
30 because they were saying, He hath an unclean spirit.
Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father who is in the heavens.

but the blasphemy - What the Holy Spirit did to prove the divinity of Christ’s person and mission, the Pharisees turned into an argument to show that Christ was an impostor, and actuated by Satanic agency.
Thus their sin consisted in the unreasonable and absurd rejection of the Son of God as the Saviour of men, in opposition to the plain and unanswerable testimony of the Holy Spirit.
This sin against the Holy Spirit is a rejection of the truth as it is revealed in the Divine Word, especially of that truth as it respects Christ and His salvation - this in disregard of many favourable opportunities to know the truth
as it is in Christ and His Word - with severe and bitter feelings of aversion and hatred, peculiarly provoked by any distinct reference to the Holy Spirit and His work in either the inspired Word,
or the Divine Saviour whom it His office to honour.
James Morgan, "The Scripture Testimony to the Holy Spirit" pp. 144, 147)

 

[Waggles]

Here is a typical example of this blasphemy against the Holy Spirit by non-Pentecostal "believers" - attributing the manifestation of the Holy Spirit as being from satan

The False Gift of Tongues Author: Ray C. Stedman​

Many of us, I suppose, have had some experience with what is called "fool's gold." You may have picked up a rock that had this shiny substance in it and thought you had found gold. Then you learned that it was fool's gold,
a substance called iron sulphite which looks very much like gold and has deceived many into thinking they have found the real thing. But though it looks like gold, and is distributed among the rocks like gold, it does not pass
the tests of true gold. If it is put to more than a superficial test one soon discovers that. ... ...

There is a widespread manifestation of the phenomenon of glossolalia today and it is essential that we discover whether it is true or false, whether it is genuinely of the Spirit of God, or comes from another source and is a
counterfeit gift. The only way that we can possibly know this is to lay it alongside that which is unquestionably true.
This is why our previous study examined the true gift of tongues and commented on every reference in the New Testament to tongues, because if you have anywhere the genuine manifestation of tongues it will be Scripture.
Therefore, anything that claims to be tongues today but is not like that presented in Scripture is patently false, no matter how sincerely it is offered or how helpful it may appear to be in the life of the individual who professes it.
If you will take that statement seriously and carefully review it, I doubt if you can disagree with it. It must serve as the basis for measurement on this issue of tongues. They must be like what we discover in the Scriptures.

I think this is demonstrably true in that the manifestation of tongues, such as you hear widely demonstrated today, is also found among the cults. The Mormons frequently speak in tongues, and it is found in other religions such as Islam,
for instance. Even among those with no particular religious convictions, we sometimes find this phenomenon, this jargon which is called tongues.
Obviously, such occurrences are either carnally inspired or the direct activity of demonic powers.

These two things being true (it is divisive and diversionary), therefore, it also follows that it is devilish. I don't mean that tongues is a manifestation of demon possession. In some religions it may be that.
I don't think that is the normal explanation of what we see manifest today. But it is a manifestation of carnal barrenness, which is ultimately of the devil.

1Cor 14:2 For who speaketh in a tongue speaketh not to men, but to God; for no one heareth; but in spirit he speaketh mysteries.

 

[Andrew1999]

Revelation 22 18-19 concerns me. I’ve heard in order to truly commit it someone has to do it in order to deceive others that what message they are saying is truth. It scares me because some say it’s unforgivable.

 

[Waggles]

Revelation 22 18-19 concerns me. I’ve heard in order to truly commit it someone has to do it in order to deceive others that what message they are saying is truth. It scares me because some say it’s unforgivable.

Rev 22:18 I testify unto every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this booklet, If any shall add to them, God shall add to him the plagues written in this booklet:
19 and if any shall take away from the words of the booklet of this prophecy God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this booklet.

"some say it's unforgivable" - people say all sorts of things but what does scripture teach ? Nothing here about an unforgivable sin.
These verses are about persons wanting to rewrite - that is add to and subtract from - the original content of this booklet "The Revelation of Jesus Christ"
An example of rewriting the message of Revelation is changing the message from history - real events since the time of John to the end - into futuristic fantasy about a demonic world leader of Hollywood fame.
This is a deliberate rewriting of the content of Revelation by the Jesuits to take the spotlight of truth off from Rome and the Papacy and fictionalize the message into a futuristic narrative of a political anti-Christ as opposed
to the current spiritual anti-Christ that opposes the truth of scripture (and makes war against the saints).

 

[Andrew1999]

what about the mark of the beast? that is one of the plagues of revelation.

 

[Andrew1999]

So the curses of revelation 22 18-19 can be lifted if one repents of what He has done (added and subtracted from God’s word) (I.e. Godly sorrow)?

 

[Waggles]

what about the mark of the beast? that is one of the plagues of revelation.

Rev 13:16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,
17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.
18 This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

I have heard sermons on this that preach on these verses as belonging to the great political and religious upheavals caused by the Reformation (1500s-1600s)
The RCC went around with a sword to identify those who were Protestants and separating them from the economy of Catholic Europe.
As the Popes responded to the Reformation with direct edicts to defend Catholicism and to punish Protestants by the sword the man is identified by the numeric values of the alphabet
[Europe used the alphabet for numbering as numerals had not yet been imported from India via the Middle East crusades] - the Latin alphabet is used here as it is the language of Rome and the RCC
The titles of the Pope do add up to multiples of 6 and in total add up to 666.

 

[Waggles]

So the curses of revelation 22 18-19 can be lifted if one repents of what He has done (added and subtracted from God’s word) (I.e. Godly sorrow)?

I guess so as there is no direct reference to an unpardonable sin in this age or the next.
But unless you are into the business of rewriting the book of Revelation to create a false narrative and doctrine I would not worry too much about this.

 

[Andrew1999]

Thx for the encouragement. The fact that I’m posting here means there is still hope for me, I hope

 

[B-A-C]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is saying something done by God was done by Satan.

Matt 12:24; But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons."
Matt 12:25; And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.
Matt 12:26; "If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?
Matt 12:27; "If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
Matt 12:28; "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Matt 12:29; "Or how can anyone enter the strong man's house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
Matt 12:30; "He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
Matt 12:31; "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Matt 12:32; "Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Luke 11:15; But some of them said, "He casts out demons by Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons."
Luke 11:16; Others, to test Him, were demanding of Him a sign from heaven.
Luke 11:17; But He knew their thoughts and said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and a house divided against itself falls.
Luke 11:18; "If Satan also is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand? For you say that I cast out demons by Beelzebul.
Luke 11:19; "And if I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? So they will be your judges.
Luke 11:20; "But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Luke 11:21; "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed.
Luke 11:22; "But when someone stronger than he attacks him and overpowers him, he takes away from him all his armor on which he had relied and distributes his plunder.
Luke 11:23; "He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me, scatters.

Was Jesus casting out demons by the power of God or by the power of a demon? They accused Jesus of doing it by the power of a demon.

Mark 3:22; The scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, "He is possessed by Beelzebul," and "He casts out the demons by the ruler of the demons."
Mark 3:23; And He called them to Himself and began speaking to them in parables, "How can Satan cast out Satan?
Mark 3:24; "If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
Mark 3:25; "If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.
Mark 3:26; "If Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but he is finished!
Mark 3:27; "But no one can enter the strong man's house and plunder his property unless he first binds the strong man, and then he will plunder his house.
Mark 3:28; "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
Mark 3:29; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"—
Mark 3:30; because they were saying, "He has an unclean spirit."

 

[Andrew1999]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is saying something done by God was done by Satan.

Matt 12:24; But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons."
Matt 12:25; And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.
Matt 12:26; "If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?
Matt 12:27; "If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
Matt 12:28; "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Matt 12:29; "Or how can anyone enter the strong man's house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
Matt 12:30; "He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
Matt 12:31; "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Matt 12:32; "Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Luke 11:15; But some of them said, "He casts out demons by Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons."
Luke 11:16; Others, to test Him, were demanding of Him a sign from heaven.
Luke 11:17; But He knew their thoughts and said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and a house divided against itself falls.
Luke 11:18; "If Satan also is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand? For you say that I cast out demons by Beelzebul.
Luke 11:19; "And if I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? So they will be your judges.
Luke 11:20; "But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Luke 11:21; "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed.
Luke 11:22; "But when someone stronger than he attacks him and overpowers him, he takes away from him all his armor on which he had relied and distributes his plunder.
Luke 11:23; "He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me, scatters.

Was Jesus casting out demons by the power of God or by the power of a demon? They accused Jesus of doing it by the power of a demon.

Mark 3:22; The scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, "He is possessed by Beelzebul," and "He casts out the demons by the ruler of the demons."
Mark 3:23; And He called them to Himself and began speaking to them in parables, "How can Satan cast out Satan?
Mark 3:24; "If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
Mark 3:25; "If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.
Mark 3:26; "If Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but he is finished!
Mark 3:27; "But no one can enter the strong man's house and plunder his property unless he first binds the strong man, and then he will plunder his house.
Mark 3:28; "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
Mark 3:29; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"—
Mark 3:30; because they were saying, "He has an unclean spirit.

So mark 3:29 teaches that all sins can be forgiven except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. So can someone repent of revelation 22 18-19 then if they haven’t committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

 

[B-A-C]

I’ve heard revelation 22 18-19 is also a form of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I’ve heard some people say it’s unforgivable.

Some people say a lot of things.

Rev 22:18; I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;
Rev 22:19; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

No mention of the Holy Spirit here. No mention of an unforgivable sin.

 

[B-A-C]

So mark 3:29 teaches that all sins can be forgiven except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. So can someone repent of revelation 22 18-19 then if they haven’t committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

I wouldn't go around making a practice out of it. I am sure many preachers, at one time or another has misquoted a Bible verse. I've probably done it myself.
I've seen a few obvious "typo's" here on TalkJesus. I think the majority were accidental, although in some cases we do have a few people here on TalkJesus
who will swear on the Bible, that the Bible is wrong ( how is that for ironic? )

I would hate to think that anyone who accidentally misquoted or mistyped a verse committed an unforgivable sin that could never be forgiven.

 

[Andrew1999]

I’ve heard of former devout Mormons and Jews who came to True Christianity. You could say they were guilty of adding and taking away from God’s word because they (LDS) taught that the BOM and their other scriptures were God’s word and the other disregarding the New Testament.

 

[Andrew1999]

I wouldn't go around making a practice out of it. I am sure many preachers, at one time or another has misquoted a Bible verse. I've probably done it myself.
I've seen a few obvious "typo's" here on TalkJesus. I think the majority were accidental, although in some cases we do have a few people here on TalkJesus
who will swear on the Bible, that the Bible is wrong ( how is that for ironic? )

I would hate to think that anyone who accidentally misquoted or mistyped a verse committed an unforgivable sin that could never be forgiven.

Basically the fact that I’m concerned shows that it’s not too late for me.

 

[B-A-C]

Basically the fact that I’m concerned shows that it’s not too late for me.

It doesn't sound like you've committed it to me. The Bible says ...

1Jn 1:9; If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

The very fact that you're worried about it tells me that the Holy Spirit hasn't left you.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Here is a video

I wouldn't try to get Scriptural understandings from "Social Media Videos"

So therefore it’s not blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Those verses in revelation concern me and give me anxiety. So that means I haven’t truly committed it?

If You are concerned about committing it, then you haven't - simple as that. You need to see about becoming Born Again, and having your SIN cleansed.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Blaspheming agaisnt the Holy Spirit is rejection of God's salvation. Knowingly and maliciously, like the pharisees. You know the Lord's last words on the cross, "Forgive them, Father, for they DO NOT KNOW what they're doing." That was told to the Roman soldiers who beat him and hung him. They were being ignorant and can be forgiven, but the pharisees as teachers and leaders who knew exactly what they were doing, and they cannot be forgiven.