IS THERE ONLY HEAVEN OR HELL ?

[AntonGoldnagel]

We are told we are all destined for heaven or hell.
Is this true ?
Paul states in his the letter to the brothers in Philippi.
"For our citizenship is in heaven."(Phili 3:20)
Who was Paul talking about ? Obviously to the brothers in the congregation in Philippi, himself as well, all the Apostles and all of Christ's disciples.
The assumption is made that ALL these ones will go to heaven.
You might be surprised to hear that this assumption is wrong.
Do not go beyond the things which are written;...(1 Cor 4:6 ) With this in mind let us look closer at Apostle Paul's statement.
What does being a CITIZEN mean ? In this case we want to consider what it does NOT mean.
It does not mean that the citizens in question will necessarily reside in the location of his citizenship. An example of this is the Ap Paul, although he was a citizen of Rome he lived in Jerusalem not Rome.
This bit of information tells us, we should not presume Php 3:20 teaches that ALL citizens will go to heaven.

Considering the whole CONTEXT of the heavenly promise there are a few things to keep in mind.
Although it is true that SOME will go to heaven, apart from the premise based on Php 3:20 NOWHERE ELSE does it make the claim that ALL of mankind will go there. Actually the opposite is true.
WHO will go to heaven then ?
We receive some insight from Rev 5:10 , there it identifies those who will go to heaven "....made them to be ... kings and priests;"
Rev. Also reveals what they will do in heaven. It explains:...."and (they) will reign upon the earth."
Another difference concerning those going to heaven is that instead of dying and requiring a resurrection from death, they will be changed from a physical person to a spititual one .
1 Cor 15:51-52 ..."We all shall not sleep (in death), but we shall all be changed, 52. in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,..."
Will these Kings reign upon a ruined earth ? that would make no sense, the "New Earth" Is a reference to a new society, The "New Heavens" is a new Rulership (Dan 2:44).
In accordance with the foretold "millenial Kingdom" the citizens will be residents on earth ruled by heavenly Kingdom with Christ as King along with his ancillary rulers.
THAT is the Gospel message of Matthew, the teaching that everybody goes to heaven renders this promise meaningless.
Consider please just one more important reason for questionlng the "all go to heaven teaching".
Namely, God's original purpose.
WHAT IS GOD'S PURPOSE for the earth and mankind ?
His original purpose was to fill the earth with perfect man and women. Gen 1:27-28 "And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created them. 28. And God blessed them: and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, ... replenish the earth, and subdue it; ..."
This Divine plan has never changed, despite strong opposition.
God is working towards that purpose right now, in spite of Satans attempt to make people believe He's forgotten about it by offering better alternatives.
Was mans assignement to fill the earth a temporary commission, with death to follow and a later promotion to heaven?
NO ! Nowhere is this idea supported in the Bible. Death was only the result of disobedience causing a sinful condition leading to death, it was NOT a natural consequence of organic erosion.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die: ...
That is the reason the resurrection was required
Resurrection: Greek (an-as'-tas-is) standing up from a seat or from the ground.
All examples of resurrections were of dead people coming back to life on earth. If we already had an immortal soul that was destined for heaven or hell the resurrection would never have been required and Jesus would never have needed to sacrifice himself.
Psa 37:11 " the meek shall inherit the earth" ...
Psa 115:16 "...the heavens, are the Lord’s: but the earth hath he given to the children of men."
Psa 104:5 (God)...Who laid the foundations of the earth, That it should not be moved for ever.

I already know what the popular opinion regarding these matters is, and I respect that, but if you find that my scriptural rendition is scripturally inaccurate, I would appriciate learning in what way.

 

[Bill]

We are told we are all destined for heaven or hell.
Is this true ?
Paul states in his the letter to the brothers in Philippi.
"For our citizenship is in heaven."(Phili 3:20)
Who was Paul talking about ? Obviously to the brothers in the congregation in Philippi, himself as well, all the Apostles and all of Christ's disciples.
The assumption is made that ALL these ones will go to heaven.
You might be surprised to hear that this assumption is wrong.
Do not go beyond the things which are written;...(1 Cor 4:6 ) With this in mind let us look closer at Apostle Paul's statement.
What does being a CITIZEN mean ? In this case we want to consider what it does NOT mean.
It does not mean that the citizens in question will necessarily reside in the location of his citizenship. An example of this is the Ap Paul, although he was a citizen of Rome he lived in Jerusalem not Rome.
This bit of information tells us, we should not presume Php 3:20 teaches that ALL citizens will go to heaven.

Considering the whole CONTEXT of the heavenly promise there are a few things to keep in mind.
Although it is true that SOME will go to heaven, apart from the premise based on Php 3:20 NOWHERE ELSE does it make the claim that ALL of mankind will go there. Actually the opposite is true.
WHO will go to heaven then ?
We receive some insight from Rev 5:10 , there it identifies those who will go to heaven "....made them to be ... kings and priests;"
Rev. Also reveals what they will do in heaven. It explains:...."and (they) will reign upon the earth."
Another difference concerning those going to heaven is that instead of dying and requiring a resurrection from death, they will be changed from a physical person to a spititual one .
1 Cor 15:51-52 ..."We all shall not sleep (in death), but we shall all be changed, 52. in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,..."
Will these Kings reign upon a ruined earth ? that would make no sense, the "New Earth" Is a reference to a new society, The "New Heavens" is a new Rulership (Dan 2:44).
In accordance with the foretold "millenial Kingdom" the citizens will be residents on earth ruled by heavenly Kingdom with Christ as King along with his ancillary rulers.
THAT is the Gospel message of Matthew, the teaching that everybody goes to heaven renders this promise meaningless.
Consider please just one more important reason for questionlng the "all go to heaven teaching".
Namely, God's original purpose.
WHAT IS GOD'S PURPOSE for the earth and mankind ?
His original purpose was to fill the earth with perfect man and women. Gen 1:27-28 "And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created them. 28. And God blessed them: and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, ... replenish the earth, and subdue it; ..."
This Divine plan has never changed, despite strong opposition.
God is working towards that purpose right now, in spite of Satans attempt to make people believe He's forgotten about it by offering better alternatives.
Was mans assignement to fill the earth a temporary commission, with death to follow and a later promotion to heaven?
NO ! Nowhere is this idea supported in the Bible. Death was only the result of disobedience causing a sinful condition leading to death, it was NOT a natural consequence of organic erosion.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die: ...
That is the reason the resurrection was required
Resurrection: Greek (an-as'-tas-is) standing up from a seat or from the ground.
All examples of resurrections were of dead people coming back to life on earth. If we already had an immortal soul that was destined for heaven or hell the resurrection would never have been required and Jesus would never have needed to sacrifice himself.
Psa 37:11 " the meek shall inherit the earth" ...
Psa 115:16 "...the heavens, are the Lord’s: but the earth hath he given to the children of men."
Psa 104:5 (God)...Who laid the foundations of the earth, That it should not be moved for ever.

I already know what the popular opinion regarding these matters is, and I respect that, but if you find that my scriptural rendition is scripturally inaccurate, I would appriciate learning in what way.

may the Lord fill you with his love and wisdom

Good evening.

Tell me something, if you personally could only see in white and black would you believe someone else if they told you there were more than two colors?

you cannot chop the scripture into little pieces and try to understand it from that perspective.

When Paul is talking you have to take everything into consideration and not just little sentences or single words.

I strongly suggest you try reading all of Phil, then try to understand the fullness of the message

 

[KingJ]

We are told we are all destined for heaven or hell.
Is this true ?
Paul states in his the letter to the brothers in Philippi.
"For our citizenship is in heaven."(Phili 3:20)
Who was Paul talking about ? Obviously to the brothers in the congregation in Philippi, himself as well, all the Apostles and all of Christ's disciples.
The assumption is made that ALL these ones will go to heaven.
You might be surprised to hear that this assumption is wrong.
Do not go beyond the things which are written;...(1 Cor 4:6 ) With this in mind let us look closer at Apostle Paul's statement.
What does being a CITIZEN mean ? In this case we want to consider what it does NOT mean.
It does not mean that the citizens in question will necessarily reside in the location of his citizenship. An example of this is the Ap Paul, although he was a citizen of Rome he lived in Jerusalem not Rome.
This bit of information tells us, we should not presume Php 3:20 teaches that ALL citizens will go to heaven.

Considering the whole CONTEXT of the heavenly promise there are a few things to keep in mind.
Although it is true that SOME will go to heaven, apart from the premise based on Php 3:20 NOWHERE ELSE does it make the claim that ALL of mankind will go there. Actually the opposite is true.
WHO will go to heaven then ?
We receive some insight from Rev 5:10 , there it identifies those who will go to heaven "....made them to be ... kings and priests;"
Rev. Also reveals what they will do in heaven. It explains:...."and (they) will reign upon the earth."
Another difference concerning those going to heaven is that instead of dying and requiring a resurrection from death, they will be changed from a physical person to a spititual one .
1 Cor 15:51-52 ..."We all shall not sleep (in death), but we shall all be changed, 52. in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,..."
Will these Kings reign upon a ruined earth ? that would make no sense, the "New Earth" Is a reference to a new society, The "New Heavens" is a new Rulership (Dan 2:44).
In accordance with the foretold "millenial Kingdom" the citizens will be residents on earth ruled by heavenly Kingdom with Christ as King along with his ancillary rulers.
THAT is the Gospel message of Matthew, the teaching that everybody goes to heaven renders this promise meaningless.
Consider please just one more important reason for questionlng the "all go to heaven teaching".
Namely, God's original purpose.
WHAT IS GOD'S PURPOSE for the earth and mankind ?
His original purpose was to fill the earth with perfect man and women. Gen 1:27-28 "And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created them. 28. And God blessed them: and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, ... replenish the earth, and subdue it; ..."
This Divine plan has never changed, despite strong opposition.
God is working towards that purpose right now, in spite of Satans attempt to make people believe He's forgotten about it by offering better alternatives.
Was mans assignement to fill the earth a temporary commission, with death to follow and a later promotion to heaven?
NO ! Nowhere is this idea supported in the Bible. Death was only the result of disobedience causing a sinful condition leading to death, it was NOT a natural consequence of organic erosion.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die: ...
That is the reason the resurrection was required
Resurrection: Greek (an-as'-tas-is) standing up from a seat or from the ground.
All examples of resurrections were of dead people coming back to life on earth. If we already had an immortal soul that was destined for heaven or hell the resurrection would never have been required and Jesus would never have needed to sacrifice himself.
Psa 37:11 " the meek shall inherit the earth" ...
Psa 115:16 "...the heavens, are the Lord’s: but the earth hath he given to the children of men."
Psa 104:5 (God)...Who laid the foundations of the earth, That it should not be moved for ever.

I already know what the popular opinion regarding these matters is, and I respect that, but if you find that my scriptural rendition is scripturally inaccurate, I would appriciate learning in what way.

Correct me if I am wrong. To summarize your post, you mention hell and heaven, explain nothing about hell and proceed to state that nobody ever goes to heaven?

This specific topic of scripture on heaven has been discussed here recently. After 200 pages of discussion, you will find that it is really a much ado about nothing discussion. @Bill is correct in that you have cherry-picked passages.

I will just say, 1. If you think heaven is anywhere other than where God is, scripture has flown over your head. 2. If you think God does not want to be with a creation He gave His life for or would stop any of His children from coming to Him, scripture has flown over your head.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

We are told we are all destined for heaven or hell.
Is this true ?
Paul states in his the letter to the brothers in Philippi.
"For our citizenship is in heaven."(Phili 3:20)
Who was Paul talking about ? Obviously to the brothers in the congregation in Philippi, himself as well, all the Apostles and all of Christ's disciples.
The assumption is made that ALL these ones will go to heaven.
You might be surprised to hear that this assumption is wrong.
Do not go beyond the things which are written;...(1 Cor 4:6 ) With this in mind let us look closer at Apostle Paul's statement.
What does being a CITIZEN mean ? In this case we want to consider what it does NOT mean.
It does not mean that the citizens in question will necessarily reside in the location of his citizenship. An example of this is the Ap Paul, although he was a citizen of Rome he lived in Jerusalem not Rome.
This bit of information tells us, we should not presume Php 3:20 teaches that ALL citizens will go to heaven.

Considering the whole CONTEXT of the heavenly promise there are a few things to keep in mind.
Although it is true that SOME will go to heaven, apart from the premise based on Php 3:20 NOWHERE ELSE does it make the claim that ALL of mankind will go there. Actually the opposite is true.
WHO will go to heaven then ?
We receive some insight from Rev 5:10 , there it identifies those who will go to heaven "....made them to be ... kings and priests;"
Rev. Also reveals what they will do in heaven. It explains:...."and (they) will reign upon the earth."
Another difference concerning those going to heaven is that instead of dying and requiring a resurrection from death, they will be changed from a physical person to a spititual one .
1 Cor 15:51-52 ..."We all shall not sleep (in death), but we shall all be changed, 52. in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,..."
Will these Kings reign upon a ruined earth ? that would make no sense, the "New Earth" Is a reference to a new society, The "New Heavens" is a new Rulership (Dan 2:44).
In accordance with the foretold "millenial Kingdom" the citizens will be residents on earth ruled by heavenly Kingdom with Christ as King along with his ancillary rulers.
THAT is the Gospel message of Matthew, the teaching that everybody goes to heaven renders this promise meaningless.
Consider please just one more important reason for questionlng the "all go to heaven teaching".
Namely, God's original purpose.
WHAT IS GOD'S PURPOSE for the earth and mankind ?
His original purpose was to fill the earth with perfect man and women. Gen 1:27-28 "And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created them. 28. And God blessed them: and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, ... replenish the earth, and subdue it; ..."
This Divine plan has never changed, despite strong opposition.
God is working towards that purpose right now, in spite of Satans attempt to make people believe He's forgotten about it by offering better alternatives.
Was mans assignement to fill the earth a temporary commission, with death to follow and a later promotion to heaven?
NO ! Nowhere is this idea supported in the Bible. Death was only the result of disobedience causing a sinful condition leading to death, it was NOT a natural consequence of organic erosion.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die: ...
That is the reason the resurrection was required
Resurrection: Greek (an-as'-tas-is) standing up from a seat or from the ground.
All examples of resurrections were of dead people coming back to life on earth. If we already had an immortal soul that was destined for heaven or hell the resurrection would never have been required and Jesus would never have needed to sacrifice himself.
Psa 37:11 " the meek shall inherit the earth" ...
Psa 115:16 "...the heavens, are the Lord’s: but the earth hath he given to the children of men."
Psa 104:5 (God)...Who laid the foundations of the earth, That it should not be moved for ever.

I already know what the popular opinion regarding these matters is, and I respect that, but if you find that my scriptural rendition is scripturally inaccurate, I would appriciate learning in what way.

This post is a result of reading the Word intellectually without the participation of the Holy Spirit. Its all garbled nonsense

 

[Bill]

Correct me if I am wrong. To summarize your post, you mention hell and heaven, explain nothing about hell and proceed to state that nobody ever goes to heaven?

This specific topic of scripture on heaven has been discussed here recently. After 200 pages of discussion, you will find that it is really a much ado about nothing discussion. @Bill is correct in that you have cherry-picked passages.

I will just say, 1. If you think heaven is anywhere other than where God is, scripture has flown over your head. 2. If you think God does not want to be with a creation He gave His life for or would stop any of His children from coming to Him, scripture has flown over your head.

That is correct. Heaven is where God is. In scripture . Your heart is where your treasure is. My treasure is being with The Father for eternity.

 

[AntonGoldnagel]

Correct me if I am wrong. To summarize your post, you mention hell and heaven, explain nothing about hell and proceed to state that nobody ever goes to heaven?

This specific topic of scripture on heaven has been discussed here recently. After 200 pages of discussion, you will find that it is really a much ado about nothing discussion. @Bill is correct in that you have cherry-picked passages.

I will just say, 1. If you think heaven is anywhere other than where God is, scripture has flown over your head. 2. If you think God does not want to be with a creation He gave His life for or would stop any of His children from coming to Him, scripture has flown over your head.

For the record I never said that nobody goes to heaven, perhaps you shoul read the post before criticising.
You obviously have not read the 200 pages of discussion either, otherwise you could have an intelligent conversation as to why the Bible clearly states thar God made the earth for mankind, instead of becoming unnecessarily aggressive and abusive.

I hope that you are not representative of the calibre of "Christians" that post on this forum.

 

[AntonGoldnagel]

This post is a result of reading the Word intellectually without the participation of the Holy Spirit. Its all garbled nonsense

Yes, I know it's not easy…
2 Pe 3:16 .".. some things are hard to be understood,..."

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Yes, I know it's not easy…
2 Pe 3:16 .".. some things are hard to be understood,..."

Hard to understand until you listen to the Holy Spirit when He tries to teach a person who does not want to listen

 

[KingJ]

For the record I never said that nobody goes to heaven, perhaps you shoul read the post before criticising.

Yes, you made a further concerning matter for discussion. You imply God cherry picks a few.

''Although it is true that SOME will go to heaven, apart from the premise based on Php 3:20 NOWHERE ELSE does it make the claim that ALL of mankind will go there. Actually the opposite is true.''

You obviously have not read the 200 pages of discussion either,

I just see one page?

otherwise you could have an intelligent conversation as to why the Bible clearly states thar God made the earth for mankind, instead of becoming unnecessarily aggressive and abusive.

You are pushing a heresy though that can damage a young believer's faith. ''You will not go to heaven even if you are a Christian who lays their life down for Jesus''.

Why would you type this?

 

[KingJ]

I hope that you are not representative of the calibre of "Christians" that post on this forum.

Please try to not be yet another narcissistic poster. Lines like this are cringe. This site does certainly not need more, we have many recent acquisitions of such.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. They need and seek too much attention and want people to admire them.

 

[Bill]

Yes, you made a further concerning matter for discussion. You imply God cherry picks a few.

''Although it is true that SOME will go to heaven, apart from the premise based on Php 3:20 NOWHERE ELSE does it make the claim that ALL of mankind will go there. Actually the opposite is true.''



I just see one page?



You are pushing a heresy though that can damage a young believer's faith. ''You will not go to heaven even if you are a Christian who lays their life down for Jesus''.

Why would you type this?

Lord please give us your wisdom.

Isn't it true that the Father is in Heaven? And at the Last Judgement, we will all stand before God. Then for a moment, we will all be in the presents of Heaven.

Sorry if I sound like a smart aleck but I was just thinking.

 

[B-A-C]

Isn't it true that the Father is in Heaven? And at the Last Judgement, we will all stand before God. Then for a moment, we will all be in the presents of Heaven.

Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.

It would seem the great throne judgment is not in heaven or earth. As they both "fled away".

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

It would also seem that once the New Jerusalem comes down "out" of heaven, that's where God and Jesus will live, not in heaven.

Rev 22:1 Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb,
Rev 22:2 in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:3 There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him;

Rev 22:5 And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever.

Rev 21:22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
Rev 21:23 And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.

 

[KingJ]

Lord please give us your wisdom.

Amen

Isn't it true that the Father is in Heaven?

Yes

And at the Last Judgement, we will all stand before God. Then for a moment, we will all be in the presents of Heaven.

Sure, the great white throne judgement could be in heaven. It could also be on earth though as the event takes place after a thousand-year millennium session on earth. Really a non-issue.

Sorry if I sound like a smart aleck but I was just thinking.

Everyone can. Cannot easily read tone on the internet!

 

[Bill]

Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.

It would seem the great throne judgment is not in heaven or earth. As they both "fled away".

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

It would also seem that once the New Jerusalem comes down "out" of heaven, that's where God and Jesus will live, not in heaven.

Rev 22:1 Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb,
Rev 22:2 in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:3 There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him;

Rev 22:5 And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever.

Rev 21:22 I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
Rev 21:23 And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.

Our Father who is in Heaven. The prayer of Jesus. Jesus never says, He may be in Heaven, Jesus says He " IS " in Heaven.

 

[B-A-C]

Our Father who is in Heaven. The prayer of Jesus. Jesus never says, He may be in Heaven, Jesus says He " IS " in Heaven.

I agree, He is currently.

 

[Bill]

I agree, He is currently.

I don't think you fully understood what I meant. But that's probably my fault more than anyone.

The reason I emphasize the word " IS " is because Jesus prayer is eternal for us, meaning it never changes.

Jesus never said he is sometimes in heaven. What Jesus said is that he " IS " in heaven. And it's not just at that moment it's forever that he is there. Otherwise if he's not always in heaven and we say the prayer guess what he's not there, lol .

 

[B-A-C]

The reason I emphasize the word " IS " is because Jesus prayer is eternal for us, meaning it never changes.

Jesus never said he is sometimes in heaven. What Jesus said is that he " IS " in heaven. And it's not just at that moment it's forever that he is there. Otherwise if he's not always in heaven and we say the prayer guess what he's not there, lol .

Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,

So you don't believe Jesus will reign on the earth during the millennial reign?

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself.
Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses.
Rev 19:15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.
Rev 19:16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."
Rev 19:17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, "Come, assemble for the great supper of God,
Rev 19:18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great."
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

It sure sounds like Jesus is leaving heaven here.

Rev 5:10 "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth."
Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever."
It says here Jesus won't be in heaven, He will be in the New jerusalem.
Rev 22:3 There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him;

 

[B-A-C]

Acts 1:11 They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven."

John 14:2 "In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3 "If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.

Acts 15:16 'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return, AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN, AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL RESTORE IT,
Acts 15:17 SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,'
Acts 15:18 SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS KNOWN FROM LONG AGO.

Tit 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Heb 9:28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

1Thes 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Thes 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

Matt 24:27 "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Rev 1:7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.

Matt 25:31 "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
Matt 25:32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;

Rev 22:12 "Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.

Jas 5:7 Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. The farmer waits for the precious produce of the soil, being patient about it, until it gets the early and late rains.
Jas 5:8 You too be patient; strengthen your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is near.

1Thes 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[AntonGoldnagel]

Lord please give us your wisdom.

Isn't it true that the Father is in Heaven? And at the Last Judgement, we will all stand before God. Then for a moment, we will all be in the presents of Heaven.

Sorry if I sound like a smart aleck but I was just thinking.

Hi,
Nothing wrong with that observation. Since there is no specification concerning the procedures during the last judgement we can only make assumption as to where we have to be or where God will be, during our judgememt, since He can go anywhere.
This does not however allow to discard the scriptures clearly explaining His purpose for us and the earth, regardless where we will be during the process has no bearing of where we will be after it.

 

[AntonGoldnagel]

Hard to understand until you listen to the Holy Spirit when He tries to teach a person who does not want to listen

You are quite correct I never listen to voices in my head that pretends to be the Holy Spirit. I have no need for it since God has given me all the spiritual knowledge I need for now. 2 Tim 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

However if that's somethimg you do, I'm not stopping you.