Jesus 1000 year reign
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a good reminder my friend god bless youjjkirk said:
Why we are in the 1000 year reign
Well first I do not believe in the rapture. Second when "1000 years" is used in the bible it is an undetermined long period of time, Like it says in Peter for God a thousand years is like a day and a day is like a thousand years.
Plus Christ at the ascension said All authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to me, and He sits on the seat of Power (Gods' right hand). His Kingdom is not of this earth; so since his ascension he has been reigning until his return for Judgement not rapture and he then he will rule forever and ever.
Not to mention why would Jesus reign for a thousanad years then let satan deceive all again then pass judgement that would not make sense unless he is reigning from heaven where His kingdom is.
Plus Revelation uses metaphorical language not literal.
Peace be with you,
John.
Well first I do not believe in the rapture. Second when "1000 years" is used in the bible it is an undetermined long period of time, Like it says in Peter for God a thousand years is like a day and a day is like a thousand years.
Plus Christ at the ascension said All authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to me, and He sits on the seat of Power (Gods' right hand). His Kingdom is not of this earth; so since his ascension he has been reigning until his return for Judgement not rapture and he then he will rule forever and ever.
Not to mention why would Jesus reign for a thousanad years then let satan deceive all again then pass judgement that would not make sense unless he is reigning from heaven where His kingdom is.
Plus Revelation uses metaphorical language not literal.
Peace be with you,
John.
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well first of all, how can you not believe in the rapture, it tells you right there it is gonna happen, and secind the thousand year reign is after the tribulation, and in order for the tribulation to start, the rapture must occur. please read your bible and mainly revelations and daniel.
How can I not beleive in the rapture?
Well because of my study of scriptures including Revelation and Daniel. Plus if you look at what most use for the rapture in 1 Thess. also does not speak of the rapture but of the second coming. With the Shout of the Archangel and a trumpet Blast, well everyone living and dead will hear that, which happens on the last day with judgement.
Jesus will raise us up on the last day, not before.
For example:
John 6:39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
John 6:40 For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:54 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 7:37 Now on the last day, the great {day} of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.
John 11:24 Martha said to Him, I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.
John 12:48 He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.
(all quotes NASB)
So according to Jesus we will be raised on the last day, the day of Judgement not raptured or taken up before then.
Peace be with you,
John.
Well because of my study of scriptures including Revelation and Daniel. Plus if you look at what most use for the rapture in 1 Thess. also does not speak of the rapture but of the second coming. With the Shout of the Archangel and a trumpet Blast, well everyone living and dead will hear that, which happens on the last day with judgement.
Jesus will raise us up on the last day, not before.
For example:
John 6:39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
John 6:40 For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:54 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 7:37 Now on the last day, the great {day} of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.
John 11:24 Martha said to Him, I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.
John 12:48 He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.
(all quotes NASB)
So according to Jesus we will be raised on the last day, the day of Judgement not raptured or taken up before then.
Peace be with you,
John.
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During the 1000 years Jesus will reign on earth from Jerusalem! During this time Satan will be bound, there will be peace on earth, and the Lion will lie down with the lamb, etc. Since there is definitely a tragic lack of world-wide peace, and I still have funnel web spiders lurking in my back yard (I'm Australian) and Jesus has not come to earth, I can safely deduce that we are not living in the final millenium....but it could be just around the corner....maranatha
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As well as Daniel and Revelation, read Zechariah chapter 14.
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I thought we was in the Grace Millieum?
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Ooooh! Hot topic HOT TOPIC! lol
Here goes my two cents (or is it four mites?)
Okay, the Rapture is a HUGE debate topic, that I'm sure we all won't have any certain knowledge of until it happens (or doesn't happen.) I've read verses that both support and oppose the "rapture doctrine." As far as I'm concerned, if it happens then cool, if not? Well, then I hope I can shine for Him during the tribulation. (unless o'course I die before then, in which case it won't matter will it? hehe)
The Millenial Kingdom will come after the Tribulation, at the time of the Second Advent. At that time, Christ will sit in judgement upon those who remain (after the tribulation, about a quarter of the total population of the Earth at the beginning of the tribulation.) He will judge the Beast (Anti-Christ) and the False Prophet of the beast, tossing them both bodily into the lake of fire. Then, He will set up His Kingdom. During the millenial kingdom, the Dragon (Devil, Old Nick, Old Scratch, whatever you want to call him...) will be chained. The Archangel Michael does that on the same day Anti-Christ is judged.
I dunno about anyone else, since I can't see past this big ole' plank in my eye, but I still struggle with sin and temptation. To me, that means, the Adversary is still at large and not bound in chains. Plus, I haven't yet knelt at the physical feet of Him who is called Messiah, our Lord Jesus Christ, so the kingdom hasn't come yet. Plus, the Earth is still VERY MUCH populated, and we haven't been through the 21 judgements of the Tribulation yet. There's no temple in Jerusalem (well, the Dome of the Rock, but that's sitting where the Temple is supposed to be, eh?) and the fourth empire prophecied by Daniel hasn't arisen yet. Until God's Word comes true in full measure, we won't see the millenial kingdom. Yet, I CAN'T WAIT! LOL
Sooo... in a nutshell, that's what I believe, yet I pray daily that my mind and heart will be always open to God's Wisdom. And I'll be glad to read anyone else's thoughts as well.
Here goes my two cents (or is it four mites?)
Okay, the Rapture is a HUGE debate topic, that I'm sure we all won't have any certain knowledge of until it happens (or doesn't happen.) I've read verses that both support and oppose the "rapture doctrine." As far as I'm concerned, if it happens then cool, if not? Well, then I hope I can shine for Him during the tribulation. (unless o'course I die before then, in which case it won't matter will it? hehe)
The Millenial Kingdom will come after the Tribulation, at the time of the Second Advent. At that time, Christ will sit in judgement upon those who remain (after the tribulation, about a quarter of the total population of the Earth at the beginning of the tribulation.) He will judge the Beast (Anti-Christ) and the False Prophet of the beast, tossing them both bodily into the lake of fire. Then, He will set up His Kingdom. During the millenial kingdom, the Dragon (Devil, Old Nick, Old Scratch, whatever you want to call him...) will be chained. The Archangel Michael does that on the same day Anti-Christ is judged.
I dunno about anyone else, since I can't see past this big ole' plank in my eye, but I still struggle with sin and temptation. To me, that means, the Adversary is still at large and not bound in chains. Plus, I haven't yet knelt at the physical feet of Him who is called Messiah, our Lord Jesus Christ, so the kingdom hasn't come yet. Plus, the Earth is still VERY MUCH populated, and we haven't been through the 21 judgements of the Tribulation yet. There's no temple in Jerusalem (well, the Dome of the Rock, but that's sitting where the Temple is supposed to be, eh?) and the fourth empire prophecied by Daniel hasn't arisen yet. Until God's Word comes true in full measure, we won't see the millenial kingdom. Yet, I CAN'T WAIT! LOL
Sooo... in a nutshell, that's what I believe, yet I pray daily that my mind and heart will be always open to God's Wisdom. And I'll be glad to read anyone else's thoughts as well.
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it isn't specifically named as the rapture in the bible, but as you see, it says us christians will not go through the great tribulation, and during the great tribulation, there will be new christians, called the tribulation saints. Jesus thousand year reign will happen when the seven years of the great tribulation is up.
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thank you so much for giving us that detailed explanation, flashpoint. i mean after all, the book of revealtions is the map of what is yet to come. it sounds like you have read left behind! God bless!
simpleman said:
You opened a controversial discussion here ... but one thing I learned long ago is that there is no right or wrong interpretation of Revelation... there are many different ones.
When I was in college I attempted to do a research paper on the Book of Revelation. What I found was than every commentator had a different view of certain parts of the book. That made me think .... if all these christian scholars can't reach agreement on how to interpret the book, then it must be obscure enough to allow for different understandings ... all of which have their points. I remember what Jesus said about no one knowing when or how end will come... whether by rapture, Jesus return for final Judgement or ????.
The issue is to lovingly listen to and respect others opinions on the subject and don't sit in judgment on them if their opinion is different from yours. And above .... be prepared at times for however Christ returns.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
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Some interesting notes concerning the 1000 year reign seen in the above passage.
1) The participants have died for the cause of Christ.
2) The place of the reign is not mentioned but heaven is implied bcause they reign with Christ. I Peter 3:22.
3) The 1000 years is called the first ressurection which again implies the saints in heaven.
4) Those who take part in this reign will not face the second death (eternal seperation from God) which seems to negate a popular belief that many who live during the 1000 year reign will follow Satan.
Just a few notes.
I am very curuios about the rapture, and when all this would take place. What are the signs of the end times? like the things that will take place before Our Father comes back? Ive tried to read Revelation but am having a hard time understanding it.
I believe that Jesus 1000 year reign is for the people that never had a opportunity to learn about Jesus and to accept him as their saviour. Paul wrote in Acts 24-15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow,that there shall be a resurrection of the dead both of the just and unjust. Only God knows where that line might be drawn. In Revelations chapter 20 teaches about Jesus 1000 year reign. First it teaches that satan will be sealed in the bottomless pit for most of the 1000 years but must be let loose for a short season at the end to tempt the people once more. Rev. 4-6 4And I saw thrones and they sat upon them: and judgement was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had recieved his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a 1000 years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. this is the first resurrection.6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him 1000 years. I believe those not took in the first resurrection will be taught the good news by Jesus and those took in the first resurrection and if they accept and believe and over come satans last temptation of mankind. God will bless them with eternal life.
jessid9 said:
Hi jessi,
The word rapture is never used in the scripture but is used by some Christians to name the event which the Bible describes in I Thess 4:13-18:
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Some Christians believe that this event will preceed a seven year tribulation (an event which I cannot find mentioned anywhere in the scripture) and the 1000 year reign which is being discussed here. Unfortunately the text does not allow for these two events because of the Greek word (apantēsis) which is translated meet in this passage. That word in the Greek means to go out, join with and escort back. This fits perfectly with passages such as I Corinthians 15:52 and II Peter 3:10-12 which speak of the second coming of Christ and the rapture as being the final act of God toward this present world.
I want to respond to the millineal reign portion of the thread.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
We can see from the above that satan with his angels will be cast down to the earth literally, and in v14 we find the angels in heaven rejoicing because v10, the accuser who is accusing all of us [satan] is cast down:
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent [preceed] them which are asleep [in death in Christ].
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
The problem the 'rapture' folks face when dealing with this verse is that the word 'air' is not the kind in the atmosphere, but our breath of life bodies of Genesis 2:7, where we find God gave us a little something extra that He did not give the other animals, and it is called the neshâmâh, touched upon in Ecc 12:7, stating that the body returns to the ground from which it came, but the spirit [of man[kind]] returns to God who gave it. So, we are changed in a moment into our spiritual bodies, but what kind of clouds are in this type of air?
Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Air as used in v17--
G109ἀήρ,aēr,ah-ayr',From ἄημιaēmi (to breathe unconsciously, that is, respire; by analogy to blow); "air" (as naturally circumambient): - air. Compare G5594.
Can this verse fit with any other verses if we people are 'caught up' into their breath? I can't find any, not to mention the fact that the word, ooo, I don't even like to use it, 'rapture' isn't even in the Bible. How can one build a doctrine based upon something that isnt' in the Bible?
Psa 106:39 Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a ******* with their own inventions.
That is some strong language, but the tip of the iceburg really. read Ez 13, where we find teachers teaching folks to fly to save their souls, covering God's stretched out arms by sowing pillows and kerchiefs to them, which is an Hebraism that mean they are covering Gods arms with lies. God says He is against those teachers, but don't take my word for it, search and see.
Back to the coming of Christ, lets go to rev9, where we find these angels, called locust here, arriving at the 5th trumpet, back in rev12,satan arrives defacto at the 6th trumpet, and finally, Christ arrives at the last, 7th, trumpet, and what happens then?
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
It is obvious that none of these events have occurred, but Christ did tell us to 'learn' the parable of the fig tree Mat24:32-35]. He told us that in connection responce to the disciples asking when will He return, what shall be the signs of His return, and when shall be the end of the world [age, not the planet]
this takes us to the prophecey:
Isa 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. [also read Jer24]
Mat 24:34VerilyIsayuntoyou,This [fig tree] generationshallnotpass,tillallthese thingsbefulfilled.
Guess what, that happened in 1948., which is why we see geological events with our eyes, as normally, geological time scales are not measured in ones lifetime.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shallbe the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come [the authority of] in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
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Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
We can see from the above that satan with his angels will be cast down to the earth literally, and in v14 we find the angels in heaven rejoicing because v10, the accuser who is accusing all of us [satan] is cast down:
Rev 12:14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
In Mat24:37-39 Christ tells us it will be as in the days of Noah. But notice, the serpent sends this flood from his mouth, and it is the flood of lies. what will he be saying?
2Th 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
He will be saying he is Jesus coming to take us away, and we read further that his lies are so strong that even the very elect of God would be deceived by them if it were possible, meaning it is not possible[Mat24:22-24].
So, 2 Thess 2 begins, Christ will return, don't be deceived for that day will not come until you see satan claiming to be God in Mt Zion. Now, when Christ returns,
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Which corresponds to 1 Cor 15:50 which states all will be changed into those glorified transfigured bodies, in the twinkling of an eye. So, this means if we have flesh on our body, then it isn't Christ. The big fly away doctrine verse is 1 Thes 4:17:
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent [preceed] them which are asleep [in death in Christ].
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
The problem the 'rapture' folks face when dealing with this verse is that the word 'air' is not the kind in the atmosphere, but our breath of life bodies of Genesis 2:7, where we find God gave us a little something extra that He did not give the other animals, and it is called the neshâmâh, touched upon in Ecc 12:7, stating that the body returns to the ground from which it came, but the spirit [of man[kind]] returns to God who gave it. So, we are changed in a moment into our spiritual bodies, but what kind of clouds are in this type of air?
Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Air as used in v17--
G109ἀήρ,aēr,ah-ayr',From ἄημιaēmi (to breathe unconsciously, that is, respire; by analogy to blow); "air" (as naturally circumambient): - air. Compare G5594.
Can this verse fit with any other verses if we people are 'caught up' into their breath? I can't find any, not to mention the fact that the word, ooo, I don't even like to use it, 'rapture' isn't even in the Bible. How can one build a doctrine based upon something that isnt' in the Bible?
Psa 106:39 Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a ******* with their own inventions.
That is some strong language, but the tip of the iceburg really. read Ez 13, where we find teachers teaching folks to fly to save their souls, covering God's stretched out arms by sowing pillows and kerchiefs to them, which is an Hebraism that mean they are covering Gods arms with lies. God says He is against those teachers, but don't take my word for it, search and see.
Back to the coming of Christ, lets go to rev9, where we find these angels, called locust here, arriving at the 5th trumpet, back in rev12,satan arrives defacto at the 6th trumpet, and finally, Christ arrives at the last, 7th, trumpet, and what happens then?
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
It is obvious that none of these events have occurred, but Christ did tell us to 'learn' the parable of the fig tree Mat24:32-35]. He told us that in connection responce to the disciples asking when will He return, what shall be the signs of His return, and when shall be the end of the world [age, not the planet]
this takes us to the prophecey:
Isa 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. [also read Jer24]
Mat 24:34VerilyIsayuntoyou,This [fig tree] generationshallnotpass,tillallthese thingsbefulfilled.
Guess what, that happened in 1948., which is why we see geological events with our eyes, as normally, geological time scales are not measured in ones lifetime.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shallbe the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come [the authority of] in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
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