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Jesus was a real man

Cody

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Can We Prove Jesus Was a Real man?
by Eric Lyons

You may find this surprising, but there are many people in the world today who actually think that Jesus is nothing more than a fantasy figure that various secret societies created 2,000 years ago. Allegedly, His name belongs in the same fictional writings that contain such fairy-tale characters as Peter Pan, Hercules, and Snow White and the seven dwarfs. Gerald Massey, in his book, Gnostic and Historic Christianity, has “informed” us that “[w]hether considered as the God made human, or as man made divine, this character [Jesus—EL] never existed as a person” (1985, p. 22). Skeptics like Massey, Acharya (1999), and others believe that Christians have been deceived into thinking that there really was a man named Jesus, when, in fact, He never lived.

How do those of us who believe in the historicity of Jesus Christ respond to such allegations? Can we really know that there was a sinless, miracle-working, death-defying man named Jesus who lived upon the Earth approximately 2,000 years ago, or have we accepted His existence blindly?

Even though the New Testament proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that Jesus actually lived, it is by no means the only historical evidence available. Around the year A.D. 94, a Jewish historian by the name of Josephus mentioned Jesus’ name twice in his book, Antiquities of the Jews. In section 18 of that work, Josephus wrote: “And there arose about this time Jesus, a wise man, if indeed we should call him a man; for he was a doer of marvelous deeds, a teacher of men who receive the truth with pleasure” (emp. added). Then, in section 20, Josephus documented how a man named Ananus brought before the Sanhedrin “a man named James, the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ, and certain others” (emp. added).

About 20 years later, Tacitus, a Roman historian, wrote a book surveying the history of Rome. In it he described how Nero (the Roman emperor) “punished with every refinement the notoriously depraved Christians (as they were popularly called).” He went on to write that “their originator, Christ, had been executed in Tiberius’ reign by the governor of Judea, Pontius Pilatus” (Annals 15:44, emp. added). Even though Tacitus, Josephus, and other historians from the first and second centuries A.D. were not followers of Christ, they did have something to say about Him—and they even verified that Jesus was a real person Who was so famous that He even attracted the attention of the Roman emperor himself!

Another obvious reason to believe that Jesus was a real person is because our entire dating method is based upon His existence. The letters “B.C.” stand for “before Christ,” and the letters “A.D.” (standing for Anno Domini) mean “in the year of the Lord.” So when a history teacher speaks of Alexander the Great ruling much of the world in 330 B.C., he or she is admitting that Alexander lived about 330 years before Jesus was born.

Even though this is only a sampling of the evidence relating to the man known as Jesus, it is enough to prove that He was a real person, and not just some imaginary character. We do not accept His existence blindly—it is a historical fact!

Apologetics Press
 
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Re Jesus - a real person

Cody.

To say that Jesus was a person is innacurate and misleading. At the ascension, Jesus was taken up into heaven bodily (see Lk 24:50-53). He did not cease to exist as a human being. Therefore, Jesus is a man in addition to being God.

SLE
 
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Hey!! Well said! And, its my understanding that there were no disputes regarding who Jesus was when He was here, walking here in the flesh, it was at least 79 years later before there was any refutes about Him! And then there were those who said Indeed, He was seen of us.
 
JESUS was indeed a real man, What is a MAN?
It is a Spiritual being dwelling in a body , Like ours.

yet they are a Spirit First, Still that Spirit is living in this flesh for a time.
Our LORD did live in this type flesh for a time as we do.
But , Now He is no longer in this type flesh.

He was ALWAYS , A Spirit First as He is and was GOD in HIS SPIRIT!

He REALLY started a whole NEW race of beings.
Because, Once BORN of GOD? We become just like HIM. HE is the pattern of the NEW CREATURES.

The 2nd ADAM or we could say ? The NEW beginning!

We have a Hard time , thinking of ourselves as a Spirit, We do not see our eternal part , nor know anything about our spirit , without GODS living Word to explain these type things to us and even then? We need the HOLY GHOST to open our eyes to these FACTS!


GOD lowered a part of HIMSELF to come here as a baby, without All the knowledge of HIS true place as GOD and CREATOR of ALL of life ever!

He was Always GOD , Yet did not know HIS PLACE!

How could GOD do this? I do not know, But I know we are made like our LORD, HIM being the perfect pattern for each of us!

GOD came as a real person , for a number of reasons? One to die for All the sins of the entire world, 2 - To be an Example to each of us.


How could ,GOD split HIMSELF up like that?
And not have All knowledge and power ?
I do not know!

Still, The LORD came as a baby and Had to learn everything, like any child would! He was taught , by the HOLY GHOST , just as we are to be taught!


He live in a real flesh body , Yet was Always GOD in HIS SPIRIT!
Of course, HE learned Far quicker in any of us , as at 12 HE was teaching the greatest minds at that time!


He got a new body, and gets a new name as well. He will never die nor could HE have ever died in HIS Spirit, But HIS flesh did die and was Made differently after DEATH.

He appeared in different forms after HIS DEATh and is in a different form even now as we see in REVELATIONS!


No doubt in my mind, He lived a normal human life here on earth. Suffering all the hardships we do.
And NOW? Understanding fully 100% the life we now live in this flesh!
I know? HE was tempted just as we are in all points, But? NEVER failing as we do at times!

He was a REAL man in the flesh , No doubt. He is NO longer a man , But, A NEW CREATURE, The HEAD of ALL NEW CREATURES!

You see? THe life of this flesh is in its blood, Take the blood out of us?We die. But greater than that is our Spirit, Once we leaves the body, it dies 100% blood or no blood.

The TRUE ETERNAL person is the Spirit that dwells in Each body on earth!
JESUS CHRISTS NEW Body is an Eternal one, it does not count on blood to live. It no longer like these weak dying bodies!

Just as OUR new bodies will be , once we leave these and get our NEW bodies , which are in HEAVEN [New Jerusalem , waiting on us to fill them , with Our NEW SPIRIT , HE has Given us!


The Point being? He is Our Perfect example , here on earth, then after our DEATH or dumping of this weak body!


I think, It takes an act of the HOLY GHOST to reveal these things to us! Our little minds cannot fully understand , What a great thing GOD has done for each of us!


Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.



2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

1Pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:


2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


IT takes an ACT from the HOLY GHOST , to reveal the UNSEEN to us!



Joh 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

THIS scripture is telling us?HIS body was changed.

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God

This Scripture tells us ? It is NOT about our flesh, But is about our Spirit!


Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

As it is and was with HIS SPIRIT!

This perfection is of our Spirit!
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

We can clearly see, The flesh is not purified, But dies because of Sin.
His flesh was perfect, Yet died because? HE took the Sins of the world, From beginning of mankind to the end of mankind!

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:


Our house from Heaven is our New body.
2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:


IT houses us, OUR SPIRIT!

Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.


Jas 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever.
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